Where does the Pope get his authority?

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Times running out . Time is , IS RUNNING OUT .
and though hand joins in hand and the denominations merge with the harlot
and though the false religoins too merge
WHAT WILL THEY DO IN THE END THEREOF . FOR THE DOOR WILL SHUT SUDDENLY
and their wailing will BE HEARD .
 
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This is all uninspired men!!!

You catholics always try to prove your unbiblical interpretations NOT WITH BOOK, CHAPTER AND VERSE BUT WITH OUTSIDE SOURCES APART FROM THE BIBLE.

This entire post PROVES NOTHING


Commentaries are nothing but MANS OPINIONS
Sooo, you are anti-Protestant!
 
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Translated,
Scripture and catholic church tradition never contradict one another.

That's funny
Many Protestants (especially anti-Catholic ones) hold, by and large, the view that Scripture and sacred, apostolic tradition are somehow unalterably opposed to each other and, for all practical purposes, mutually exclusive. This is yet another example of a false dichotomy which Protestantism often (unfortunately) tends to create (e.g., faith vs. works, matter vs. spirit). The Bible, however, presupposes tradition as an entity prior to and larger than itself, from which it is derived, not as some sort of “dirty word.”

It is one thing to wrongly assert that Catholic tradition (the beliefs and dogmas which the Church claims to have preserved intact passed down from Christ and the apostles) is corrupt, excessive and unbiblical. It is quite another to think that the very concept of tradition is contrary to the outlook of the Bible and pure, essential Christianity. This is, broadly speaking, a popular and widespread variant of the distinctive Protestant viewpoint of sola Scriptura, or “Scripture Alone,” which was one of the rallying cries of the Protestant Revolt in the 16th century. It remains the supreme principle of authority, or “rule of faith” for evangelical Protestants today. Sola Scriptura by its very nature tends to pit tradition against the Bible.

First of all, one might also loosely define tradition as the authoritative and authentic Christian history of theological doctrines and devotional practices. Christianity, like Judaism before it, is fundamentally grounded in history: in the earth-shattering historical events in the life of Jesus Christ (the incarnation, miracles, crucifixion, resurrection, ascension, etc.). Eyewitnesses (Lk 1:1-2, Acts 1:1-3, 2 Pet 1:16-18) communicated these true stories to the first Christians, who in turn passed them on to other Christians (under the guidance of the Church’s authority) down through the ages. Therefore, Christian tradition, defined as authentic Church history, is unavoidable.

Many Protestants read the accounts of Jesus’ conflicts with the Pharisees and get the idea that He was utterly opposed to all tradition whatsoever. This is false. A close reading of passages such as Matthew 15:3-9 and Mark 7: 8-13 will reveal that He only condemned corrupt traditions of men, not tradition per se. He uses qualifying phrases like “your tradition,” “commandments of men,” “tradition of men,” as opposed to “the commandment of God.” St. Paul draws precisely the same contrast in Colossians 2:8: “See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ.”
 

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ITS BIBLE TIME!
The New Testament explicitly teaches that traditions can be either good (from God) or bad (from men, when against God’s true traditions). Corrupt pharisaic teachings were a bad tradition (but many of their legitimate teachings were recognized by Jesus; see, e.g., Matthew 23:3). The spoken gospel and the apostolic writings which eventually were formulated as Holy Scripture (authoritatively recognized by the Church in 397 A. D. at the council of Carthage) were altogether good: the authentic Christian tradition as revealed by the incarnate God to the apostles.

The Greek word for “tradition” in the New Testament is paradosis. It occurs in Colossians 2:8, and in the following three passages:

1 Corinthians 11:2 (RSV) . . . maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you. (NRSV, NEB, REB, NKJV, NASB all use “tradition"

2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

2 Thessalonians 3:6: Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.

Note that St. Paul draws no qualitative distinction between written and oral tradition. He doesn’t regard oral Christian tradition as bad and undesirable. Rather, this false belief is, ironically, itself an unbiblical “tradition of men.”
 

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ITS BIBLE TIME!
The New Testament explicitly teaches that traditions can be either good (from God) or bad

The Greek word for “tradition” in the New Testament is paradosis. It occurs in Colossians 2:8, and in the following three passages:



Note that St. Paul draws no qualitative distinction between written and oral tradition. He doesn’t regard oral Christian tradition as bad and undesirable. Rather, this false belief is, ironically, itself an unbiblical “tradition of men.”
Traditions I'm not against.

You try to claim tradition is catholic tradition.
Paul never said catholic tradition.

Paul said to keep the traditions of the APOSTLES.
Acts 2:42,
- and they continued steadfastly in the apostles doctrine and fellowship in the breaking of bread and in prayers

Not catholic doctrine!!!
Therefore keeping the traditions are in the new testament, the traditions of the apostles and the new testament church.
Which is not nor ever was the catholic church.

2Thessalonians 2:15,
- therefore brethren standfast and hold to the traditions which you were taught(by the apostles) whether by word(oral) or by epistle(written)

No traditions are to be followed outside what the apostles themselves taught according to Paul.

The apostles doctrine WAS(PAST TENSE) ONCE FOR ALL TIME DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS.
No more doctrine outside the completed revelation of God i.e. Holy Bible

Jude 3,
- I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith(gospel)
Which WAS ONCE FOR ALL TIME DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS

Latter day revelation is condemned by Gods Sacred Scriptures!!!

Galatians 1:6-8,
- I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the gospel of Christ, to a different gospel which is not another
- but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ
But even if we(apostles) or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we(apostles) have preached let him be accursed

No other men can preach anything other than what come out of the apostles mouths in this new testament!!!
You better pay close attention to WHOS TRADITIONS AND WHOS GOSPEL.

It says nothing of outside the Scriptures.
That is heresy.

All additions and subtractions are sin and the punishment is hellfire,

Revelation 22:18-19,
- if anyone  adds to them God will add to him the plagues described in this book
- and if anyone takes away from the words of this prophecy, God will take away His share in the tree of life and the holy city which are described in this book
 

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Deut. 4:2,
- You shall not add to the  word which I am commanding you, nor take  away from it
So that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God