What do you think it means to be a Son or Daughter of God?

[MatthewG]

Is this a simple process, or a difficult one?

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

“So you have not received a spirit that makes you fearful slaves. Instead, you received God’s Spirit when he adopted you as his own children. Now we call him, “Abba, Father.” For his Spirit joins with our spirit to affirm that we are God’s children. And since we are his children, we are his heirs. In fact, together with Christ we are heirs of God’s glory. But if we are to share his glory, we must also share his suffering.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭15‬-‭17‬ ‭NLT‬‬

 

[MatthewG]

From what the bible speaks concerning the sufferings of the Lord Yeshua, is he was a man of sorrows, despised, mocked, endured humiliation, and reviled. Unto the point of death.

Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Isaiah 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Matthew 27:38 Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.

Matthew 27:29 And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!

Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.

These are just a few, of a good (30?) verses concerning what the sufferings of Christ was like. Am I saying that you need to be prideful and arrogant towards people in sharing the Lord Yeshua? Absolutely not, however abiding in the Messiah is what is important, this is why the reading of the bible is helpful to us as people who seek to worship the Father in spirit and truth, and it helps wash and renew our mind through it. There are people today who believe they are in need of being 'right.' When perhaps a person mocks you and demeans you, and you may just give a loving response rather than revile towards them. Because that is how suffering is, it's self-imposed.

 

[Johann]

From what the bible speaks concerning the sufferings of the Lord Yeshua, is he was a man of sorrows, despised, mocked, endured humiliation, and reviled. Unto the point of death.


These are just a few, of a good (30?) verses concerning what the sufferings of Christ was like. Am I saying that you need to be prideful and arrogant towards people in sharing the Lord Yeshua? Absolutely not, however abiding in the Messiah is what is important, this is why the reading of the bible is helpful to us as people who seek to worship the Father in spirit and truth, and it helps wash and renew our mind through it. There are people today who believe they are in need of being 'right.' When perhaps a person mocks you and demeans you, and you may just give a loving response rather than revile towards them. Because that is how suffering is, it's self-imposed.

Who is being prideful and arrogant? When asked questions, you ignore people.

J.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Johann,

Sir, that is off topic. I am speaking in general of peoples attitudes. I have been prideful and arrogant, but using the ignore feature is there for a purpose. Sometimes I do still become prideful or arrogant, it is my flesh. Nothing of the spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

No one is being prideful and arrogant because they don’t answer questions, sometimes it’s best to put some on ignore as all they won’t to do is argue..therefore how can one grow in maturity, if we’re still in the old man constantly.

To be a Son or Daughter Of God..our spirit must be reborn.

Spirit gives birth to spirit = by divine heart revelation.

Our spirit comes Alive and were clothed in the righteousness of Christ.

 

[Skovand]

To me first I think collectively, all life is the sins and daughters of God. But then I think it gets used often in a more specific way and that is for someone to be a person who lives in righteousness and love.

 

[Ritajanice]

Romans 8

King James Version

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Johann]

WHY DO CHRISTIANS SUFFER?



There are so many biblical texts that assert that persecution and suffering are normal for those who follow Christ (cf. Matt. 5:10-12; John 15:18-21; 16:1-3; 17:14; Acts 14:22; Rom. 5:3-4; 8:17; 2 Cor. 4:16-18; 6:3-10; 11:23-30; Phil. 1:29; 1 Thess. 3:3; 2 Tim. 3:12; James 1:2-4; 1 Pet. 4:12-16).

Because of personal sin (temporal judgment). This does not imply that all problems and negative circumstances are a result of sin (cf. Job; Psalm 73; Luke 14:1-5; Nehemiah 9; John 9; Acts 5:1-11; 1 Cor. 11:29-30; Gal. 6:7).
To develop Christlikeness (Heb. 5:8). Even Jesus, humanly speaking, had to be matured, so too, His followers (cf. Rom. 5:3-4, 8:17-18,28-29; 2 Cor. 12:7-10; Phil. 3:10; 1 Thess. 3:3; 2 Tim. 3:12; Heb. 12:5-12; James 1:2-4; 1 Pet. 1:7).
To develop a powerful, effective witness (cf. Matt. 5:10-12; John 15:18-22; 1 Pet. 2:18-21, 3:13-17).
As a sign of the birth pains of the New Age (cf. Matt. 24:6; Mark 13:8).
Two books that have helped me deal with the unfairness and evil of this fallen world are Hannah Whithall Smith, The Christian's Secret of a Happy Life and John W. Wenham, The Goodness of God.

Believers must remember that problems and suffering are not necessarily a sign of God's anger or rejection. Bad things happen to faithful followers in a fallen world (cf. 1 Pet. 4:12-19). God's promises and Christ's self-giving death are the signs of God's love (cf. Rom. 5:8). Scripture must take precedence over temporary circumstances!

"SONS OF. . ." (BDB 119, KB 137)

The term "son" (or "children of. . .") is often used to characterize a group (or individual) or show one's inclusion in a group.

A. Old Testament

The Hebrew word for "son" (BDB 119, KB 137) is fluid. The Hebrew ben (BDB 119-122) can mean

1. son begotten by a father

2. children (even cousins, e.g., Num. 36:11)

3. grandson (e.g., Gen. 31:28,55)

4. member of a professional guild

5. ancestor/descendant (genealogies)

6. member of a tribe/nation (e.g., "sons of Israel")

7. common people (sons of the land)

8. member of a religion (son of [name of a god]). The Hebrew king, Psalm 2; 2 Sam. 7:14

9. angels (cf. Gen. 6:2,4; Job 1:6; 2:1)

10. an idiom of characterization (e.g., "sons of Belial," "sons of the wise," "sons of valor")



In Joshua 21 the term is used several times:

1. of an individual – the son of Nun, Josh. 21:1

2. of a tribal/national group – sons of Israel, Josh. 21:1,3,8,31

3. of a professional guild (i.e., priests/ Levites)

a. sons of Aaron, Josh. 21:4,10,13,19

b. sons of Levi, Josh. 21:10 (cf. v. 27)

4. of members of individual tribes

a. sons of Judah, Josh. 21:9

b. sons of Simeon, Josh. 21:9

5. of members of family groups

a. sons of Kohath, Josh. 21:5,20,26

b. sons of Gershon, Josh. 21:6,27

c. sons of Merari, Josh. 21:34



This kind of fluidity makes it impossible to add up the dates of ancestors and come up with a date for creation (i.e., Usshur's 4004 b.c.). Often, only the significant dates (either of evil or good or some remembered action) are listed. Several generations are often omitted (e.g, the genealogies of Jesus).



B. New Testament

The term "son" (or "chidren of. . .") is often used to characterize a group (or individual) or show one's inclusion in a group.

1. Characterization of a group

a. positive

(1) sons of the Kingdom, Matt. 8:12; 13:38

(2) sons of men, Mark 3:28; Eph. 3:5

(3) sons of light, Luke 16:8; John 12:36; Eph. 5:8; 1 Thess. 5:5

(4) sons of the resurrection, Luke 20:36

(5) sons of the Prophets, Acts 3:25

(6) sons of the covenant, Acts 3:25

(7) children of God, 1 John 3:10

b. negative

(1) sons of the evil one, Matt. 13:38; John 8:44; 1 John 3:10

(2) a son of hell, Matt. 23:15

(3) sons of this age, Luke 16:8; 20:34

(4) sons of the devil, Acts 13:10; 23:6

(5) sons of disobedience, Eph. 2:2; 5:6

2. Characterization of an individual

a. positive

(1) son of encouragement (i.e., Barnabas), Acts 4:36

(2) son of Pharisees (i.e., Paul), Acts 23:6

b. negative

(1) sons of thunder (i.e., James and John), Mark 3:17

(2) son of perdition (i.e., Judas Iscariot), John 17:12

(3) son of destruction (the Antichrist), 2 Thess. 2:3

J.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Skovand,

It reminds me of the righteousness which we are clothed in by the Lord Jesus.

Galatians 3:27 And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have put on Christ, like putting on new clothes.

He becomes our righteousness in and through him just like new clothes, and it's God that works in and through those whom seek to love as God loves, and those notions are highly important, which all is settled in by faith, even if they don't know Jesus. There many people out there whom look toward the God whom created all things, and he writes his law on their hearts and minds. By His Spirit.

Philippians 2:13 For God is working in you, giving you the desire and the power to do what pleases him.

Pslam 51:17 The sacrifice you desire is a broken spirit. You will not reject a broken and repentant heart, O God.

Hebrews 10:16 “This is the new covenant I will make with my people on that day, says the LORD: I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.”

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Ritajanice,

Yes, being born from above. As Jesus speaks to Nicodemus. There is an heart change, as God starts to write on the mind and hearts of those whom are his. While we live in this flesh is bound to make mistakes, to say we have no sin, people on fool themselves.

John 3:1-12 Message Translation.

John 3 1-2 There was a man of the Pharisee sect, Nicodemus, a prominent leader among the Jews. Late one night he visited Jesus and said, “Rabbi, we all know you’re a teacher straight from God. No one could do all the God-pointing, God-revealing acts you do if God weren’t in on it.”

3 Jesus said, “You’re absolutely right. Take it from me: Unless a person is born from above, it’s not possible to see what I’m pointing to—to God’s kingdom.”

4 “How can anyone,” said Nicodemus, “be born who has already been born and grown up? You can’t re-enter your mother’s womb and be born again. What are you saying with this ‘born-from-above’ talk?”

5-6 Jesus said, “You’re not listening. Let me say it again. Unless a person submits to this original creation—the ‘wind-hovering-over-the-water’ creation, the invisible moving the visible, a baptism into a new life—it’s not possible to enter God’s kingdom. When you look at a baby, it’s just that: a body you can look at and touch. But the person who takes shape within is formed by something you can’t see and touch—the Spirit—and becomes a living spirit.

7-8 “So don’t be so surprised when I tell you that you have to be ‘born from above’—out of this world, so to speak. You know well enough how the wind blows this way and that. You hear it rustling through the trees, but you have no idea where it comes from or where it’s headed next. That’s the way it is with everyone ‘born from above’ by the wind of God, the Spirit of God.”

9 Nicodemus asked, “What do you mean by this? How does this happen?”

10-12 Jesus said, “You’re a respected teacher of Israel and you don’t know these basics? Listen carefully. I’m speaking sober truth to you. I speak only of what I know by experience; I give witness only to what I have seen with my own eyes. There is nothing secondhand here, no hearsay. Yet instead of facing the evidence and accepting it, you procrastinate with questions. If I tell you things that are plain as the hand before your face and you don’t believe me, what use is there in telling you of things you can’t see, the things of God?

Jeremiah 31:31-34

31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

1 John 1:8

If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth.

 

[MatthewG]

WHY DO CHRISTIANS SUFFER?



There are so many biblical texts that assert that persecution and suffering are normal for those who follow Christ (cf. Matt. 5:10-12; John 15:18-21; 16:1-3; 17:14; Acts 14:22; Rom. 5:3-4; 8:17; 2 Cor. 4:16-18; 6:3-10; 11:23-30; Phil. 1:29; 1 Thess. 3:3; 2 Tim. 3:12; James 1:2-4; 1 Pet. 4:12-16).

Because of personal sin (temporal judgment). This does not imply that all problems and negative circumstances are a result of sin (cf. Job; Psalm 73; Luke 14:1-5; Nehemiah 9; John 9; Acts 5:1-11; 1 Cor. 11:29-30; Gal. 6:7).
To develop Christlikeness (Heb. 5:8). Even Jesus, humanly speaking, had to be matured, so too, His followers (cf. Rom. 5:3-4, 8:17-18,28-29; 2 Cor. 12:7-10; Phil. 3:10; 1 Thess. 3:3; 2 Tim. 3:12; Heb. 12:5-12; James 1:2-4; 1 Pet. 1:7).
To develop a powerful, effective witness (cf. Matt. 5:10-12; John 15:18-22; 1 Pet. 2:18-21, 3:13-17).
As a sign of the birth pains of the New Age (cf. Matt. 24:6; Mark 13:8).
Two books that have helped me deal with the unfairness and evil of this fallen world are Hannah Whithall Smith, The Christian's Secret of a Happy Life and John W. Wenham, The Goodness of God.

Believers must remember that problems and suffering are not necessarily a sign of God's anger or rejection. Bad things happen to faithful followers in a fallen world (cf. 1 Pet. 4:12-19). God's promises and Christ's self-giving death are the signs of God's love (cf. Rom. 5:8). Scripture must take precedence over temporary circumstances!

"SONS OF. . ." (BDB 119, KB 137)

The term "son" (or "children of. . .") is often used to characterize a group (or individual) or show one's inclusion in a group.

A. Old Testament

The Hebrew word for "son" (BDB 119, KB 137) is fluid. The Hebrew ben (BDB 119-122) can mean

1. son begotten by a father

2. children (even cousins, e.g., Num. 36:11)

3. grandson (e.g., Gen. 31:28,55)

4. member of a professional guild

5. ancestor/descendant (genealogies)

6. member of a tribe/nation (e.g., "sons of Israel")

7. common people (sons of the land)

8. member of a religion (son of [name of a god]). The Hebrew king, Psalm 2; 2 Sam. 7:14

9. angels (cf. Gen. 6:2,4; Job 1:6; 2:1)

10. an idiom of characterization (e.g., "sons of Belial," "sons of the wise," "sons of valor")



In Joshua 21 the term is used several times:

1. of an individual – the son of Nun, Josh. 21:1

2. of a tribal/national group – sons of Israel, Josh. 21:1,3,8,31

3. of a professional guild (i.e., priests/ Levites)

a. sons of Aaron, Josh. 21:4,10,13,19

b. sons of Levi, Josh. 21:10 (cf. v. 27)

4. of members of individual tribes

a. sons of Judah, Josh. 21:9

b. sons of Simeon, Josh. 21:9

5. of members of family groups

a. sons of Kohath, Josh. 21:5,20,26

b. sons of Gershon, Josh. 21:6,27

c. sons of Merari, Josh. 21:34



This kind of fluidity makes it impossible to add up the dates of ancestors and come up with a date for creation (i.e., Usshur's 4004 b.c.). Often, only the significant dates (either of evil or good or some remembered action) are listed. Several generations are often omitted (e.g, the genealogies of Jesus).



B. New Testament

The term "son" (or "chidren of. . .") is often used to characterize a group (or individual) or show one's inclusion in a group.

1. Characterization of a group

a. positive

(1) sons of the Kingdom, Matt. 8:12; 13:38

(2) sons of men, Mark 3:28; Eph. 3:5

(3) sons of light, Luke 16:8; John 12:36; Eph. 5:8; 1 Thess. 5:5

(4) sons of the resurrection, Luke 20:36

(5) sons of the Prophets, Acts 3:25

(6) sons of the covenant, Acts 3:25

(7) children of God, 1 John 3:10

b. negative

(1) sons of the evil one, Matt. 13:38; John 8:44; 1 John 3:10

(2) a son of hell, Matt. 23:15

(3) sons of this age, Luke 16:8; 20:34

(4) sons of the devil, Acts 13:10; 23:6

(5) sons of disobedience, Eph. 2:2; 5:6

2. Characterization of an individual

a. positive

(1) son of encouragement (i.e., Barnabas), Acts 4:36

(2) son of Pharisees (i.e., Paul), Acts 23:6

b. negative

(1) sons of thunder (i.e., James and John), Mark 3:17

(2) son of perdition (i.e., Judas Iscariot), John 17:12

(3) son of destruction (the Antichrist), 2 Thess. 2:3

J.

Hello Johann,

Thank you for sharing. Someone may use those references. I typically just use a Thompson Chain Reference bible, which is a hardback book, and it has a lot of these topics, all sorted out for anyone whom desires to study these things out for themselves. It's much harder to do those things, but they are worth while, it was the only way I figured out that God's wrath would not last forever. Praise be to Yahavah, and the Lord Yeshua.

 

[Ritajanice]

Hello @Ritajanice,

Yes, being born from above. As Jesus speaks to Nicodemus. There is an heart change, as God starts to write on the mind and hearts of those whom are his. While we live in this flesh is bound to make mistakes, to say we have no sin, people on fool themselves.

A Born Again cannot go on sinning because they are Born Of God, His SEED remains in them.

Their spirit has been reborn.we are spirit children of God...His Spirit has birthed our spirit into his Spirit, hence Born Again , we are permanently Born Again ,saved from eternal damnation..in Jesus Name...Amen!

Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever in our spirit,

That’s where Gods seed takes root, then we grow in spirit as we’re his spirit children.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Ritajanice,

It only matters if a person is making practice of sin. It doesn't stop the body from sinning or messing up. Hope you understand!

1 John 3:9 Berean Text;
Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God.

 

[Ritajanice]

Hello @Ritajanice,

It only matters if a person is making practice of sin. It doesn't stop the body from sinning or messing up. Hope you understand!

No Mathew, a Born Again cannot go on sinning as they have been Born Of God His seed remains in them.

I won’t be arguing over this with you, all of my posts stands you are entitled to what you believe...regarding sin.good day.

Ask God to help you stop arguing @MatthewG ....so that you can grow up into maturity in the Spirit.

I asked him to help me do that, it’s working so far..Praise God!

 

[Johann]

Hello Johann,

Thank you for sharing. Someone may use those references. I typically just use a Thompson Chain Reference bible, which is a hardback book, and it has a lot of these topics, all sorted out for anyone whom desires to study these things out for themselves. It's much harder to do those things, but they are worth while, it was the only way I figured out that God's wrath would not last forever. Praise be to Yahavah, and the Lord Yeshua.

You mean like this @MatthewG?

SUFFERING FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS SAKE
MISCELLANEOUS TOPICS relating to
(A) SUFFERING FOR CHRIST, general references to
Act_5:41; Act_9:16; Rom_8:17; Rom_8:36; 2Co_1:7; 2Co_11:23; Php_3:10
2Ti_2:12; Heb_11:25; Jas_5:10; 1Pe_2:20; 1Pe_3:14; 1Pe_4:16; 1Pe_5:10

(B) "FOR CHRIST’S SAKE" some trial believers may be called upon to
endure
Persecution
Mat_5:11
Hatred
Mat_10:22
Loss of Life
Mat_10:39
Renunciation of Worldly Treasures
Mat_19:29
Suffering
Act_9:16
Loss of Reputation
1Co_4:10; 2Co_4:5
Death

2Co_4:11; 2Co_12:10; Php_1:29
(C) REPROACH SUFFERED
Luk_6:22; 1Ti_4:10; Heb_10:33; Heb_11:26; Heb_13:13; 1Pe_4:14
--SEE Rejoicing (3), JOY
Persecution (1), SUFFERING
Stripes, NATION, THE

(D) SAINTS DESPISED
1Sa_17:42; 2Sa_6:16; Neh_2:19; Neh_4:2; Job_12:4; Psa_119:141
1Co_1:28; 1Co_4:13
--SEE Saints Hated, HATRED
Derision, DERISION
Aha, AHA
(E) IMPRISONMENT OF SAINTS
(1) General References to
Gen_39:20; 1Ki_22:27; 2Ch_16:10; Jer_37:15; Jer_38:6; Lam_3:53
Mrk_6:17; Act_5:18; Act_12:4; Act_16:23; Act_23:35; Act_26:10; 2Co_11:23
--SEE Fetters, FETTERS
& FETTERS

(2) Of Paul
Eph_3:1; Eph_4:1; Eph_6:20; Php_1:7; Php_1:13; Col_4:3; Col_4:18; 2Ti_1:8; 2Ti_1:16; 2Ti_2:9
(F) PERSECUTION
(1) General Examples of
1Ki_19:2; 1Ki_22:27; 2Ch_16:10; 2Ch_24:21; Jer_20:2; Jer_32:2; Dan_3:20; Dan_6:16
Act_4:3; Act_5:40; Act_8:1; Heb_11:36
--SEE Beatings, NATION, THE
Scourging, NATION, THE
Stoning, NATION, THE
& NATION, THE
Stripes, NATION, THE
& NATION, THE
(2) Of Christ
Luk_4:29; Luk_23:11; Jhn_5:16; Jhn_7:1; Jhn_8:37; Jhn_10:39
--SEE Sufferings of Christ, SUFFERINGS OF CHRIST

(3) Of Paul
Act_9:29; Act_13:50; Act_14:5; Act_14:19; Act_16:22; Act_18:12; Act_21:36; Act_22:22; Act_23:10
1Co_4:12; 2Co_4:9; 2Co_11:24; 2Ti_2:9; 2Ti_3:11
--SEE Suffering for Christ’s Sake, SUFFERING FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS SAKE
(4) Predicted concerning the Church
Mat_10:17; Mat_24:9; Luk_21:12; Jhn_15:20; Jhn_16:2; 2Ti_3:12; Rev_2:10
(5) General References to
Psa_7:1; Psa_31:15; Psa_119:86; Psa_119:157; Psa_119:161; Psa_143:3; Jer_15:15; Lam_5:5
-- Of the Jews. SEE Jews Persecuted, ISRAEL-THE JEWS
(G) SMITING of the righteous
(1) General References to
1Ki_22:24; Isa_50:6; Mat_27:30; Jhn_18:22; Act_23:2
(2) Upon the Cheek
1Ki_22:24; Job_16:10; Luk_6:29
(H) MARTYRDOM
(1) General References to
Mat_10:21; Act_21:13; 1Co_13:3; Rev_6:9; Rev_20:4
(2) Examples of
-- Zechariah
2Ch_24:21
-- John the Baptist
Mrk_6:27
-- Abel
Luk_11:51
-- Stephen
Act_7:58
-- James
Act_12:2; Heb_11:37; Rev_6:9

Looks good.

J.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Ritajanice,

Please reread my feedback on post #13... and consider a different version of the text, you may not know exist... Just as the John states, still stands in the face of what you are saying...

1 John 1:8 If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth.


I am not trying to argue with you, I am just sharing the truth. Not many like that, and that is fine. All the best to you. I can't lie to God and say hey after I was born from above, I was completely sinless... I made an effort not to practice sin, because of honoring and loving God and the desire to love others, by the spirit of Christ and him doing so, and God also working in and through me. There is a difference.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Johann,

I try to communicate with others, if you just desire to share things like that by all means sir. I still have both you and ritajanice on ignore. There is a reason for it, and typically it's because of opposition of what is being said, and also the lack of sharing from a maturity point of understanding. It's not a looking down on either of you, it's just because I can not handle either one of you. Only God can truly do that.

 

[Ritajanice]

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Unity in the Body (Psalm 133:1–3; 1 Corinthians 1:10–17) 1As a prisoner in the Lord, then, I urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling you have received: 2with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, 3and with diligence to preserve the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. 7Now to each one of us grace has been given according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8This is why it says:a “When He ascended on high, He led captives away, and gave gifts to men.”b 9What does “He ascended” mean, except that He also descendedc to the lower parts of the earth? 10He who descended is the very One who ascended above all the heavens, in order to fill all things. 11And it was He who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to equip the saints for works of ministry and to build up the body of Christ, 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God, as we mature to the full measure of the stature of Christ. 14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed about by the waves and carried around by every wind of teaching and by the clever cunning of men in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into Christ Himself, who is the head. 16From Him the whole body, fitted and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love through the work of each individual part.

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[1] Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
[2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
[3] And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5] And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6] Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
[7] Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8] He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10] In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
[11] For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
[12] Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
[13] Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
[14] We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
[15] Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
[16] Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
[17] But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
[18] My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
[19] And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
[20] For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
[21] Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
[22] And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
[23] And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
[24] And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Ritajanice,

I'll be upfront with you and state that this place is not a church. It's just a forum site on the internet, where many different denominations exist within it, from people who believe in the Lord, and from people who don't even know the Lord, and people who follow after what other people state, and from people who just look at the bible and use it for the tool of reference as you share. Those text that you share, doesn't even concern us, it was a letter to the people at Ephesus, whom were waiting and watching for the Lord Yeshua, to come back to get them in that day. You'll never have unity with other people you don't agree with; and while you do not believe what I am sharing with the use of the bible, doesn' mean I do not love you, or I do not love the other man who is posting in this thread.

I don't believe I am smarter than either one of you, I don't think I am better than anyone of you. I am simply just sharing truth with people to consider, they can take it for what it is worth or just throw it away, that is all I am doing is sharing what is founded within the scriptures, though people use scriptures against other scriptures and deem some scriptures lesser than another... That is scary to me personally...

All the best to both of you this very morning, and may you find and seek for truth, at all cost. Because truth is what I do my best to stand by, and not what my feelings say because sometimes while feelings are important and make people think, I do believe when it comes to the face of truth, feelings aren't in the equation personally. Truth is the truth, despite the way someone may "feel." That is called emotionalism.

 

[Ritajanice]

Love you Mathew...keep on searching with your heart, for there you will find him.