Wars, rumors of wars

[Ronald David Bruno]

When will Iran directly attack Israel? Likely when they have sufficient nukes but also with the Dems in charge in the USA.
But for them, they would much rather support Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, and others to do their dirty work. But it is not working, it is a losing battle for all of them. ISRAEL is strong and can actually defeat all of them in one hour if they chose to do so. Interesting study, where did I see that in scripture, a war lasting one hour?
"In one hour ...

 

[Wrangler]

See my thread.

Holding Iran Accountable

Can anyone explain why the world's biggest State sponsor of terrorism gets away with it? Compare the moral clarity America had during the Cuban missile crisis. JFK said the US will consider a strike by Cuba to be an attack by Russia and will respond against Russia with the full arsenal of...

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[Ronald David Bruno]

The Iranian President adviced
Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Khamanei, not to attack Israel because of obvious detrimental reprecussions: massive death and economic destruction, etc. This would be a smart, rational decision. But The Ayatollah is directed by Satan. He is evil and evil people do not act rationally. They do things that are insane, like Hitler did. Think of it, sending young men on suicidal missions, strapping bombs to their bodies for their cause, to please Allah and then receive an afterlife reward of 70 virgins in heaven. This is insane! Of course this announcement could very well be just for outward consumption, trying to get Israel off guard - which won't work. As if Netanyahu would respond with: "Oh, the Iranians have finally come to their senses, we can relax and enjoy life!" No, I don't think so. I must commend Israel's restraint for all these years and even now, knowing that tens of thousands of missiles have indirectly come from Iran.
The clock is ticking.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Israeli intel believes Iran will attack directly within days

This represents a shift from recent assessments, which suggested that international pressure was restraining Iran from launching a direct attack against Israel.

www.jpost.com

 

[Jay Ross]

Earthquakes in Israel and various places ...

It is sad that the translators' understanding was limited with the Greek word "seismos" to "earthquakes" rather than "turmoil" which is how people react when their lives are threatened. In the following verses, Matthew 8:24, 28:2, Acts 16:26, Revelation 6:12, 11:13, 11:19, 16:18, 16:18, the right understanding should be Turmoil.

The reference in the quote above possibly comes from this verse: - Matt 24:7: - For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and turmoil in various places. However, there is no reference to Earthquakes occurring in Israel.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

It is sad that the translators' understanding was limited with the Greek word "seismos" to "earthquakes" rather than "turmoil" which is how people react when their lives are threatened. In the following verses, Matthew 8:24, 28:2, Acts 16:26, Revelation 6:12, 11:13, 11:19, 16:18, 16:18, the right understanding should be Turmoil.

The reference in the quote above possibly comes from this verse: - Matt 24:7: - For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and turmoil in various places. However, there is no reference to Earthquakes occurring in Israel.

So when Jesus died there was turmoil bit no earthquake?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Well, looks like Iran will not attack on this day - only three hours left.

 

[Jay Ross]

So, when Jesus died there was turmoil but no earthquake?

Perhaps if you had read Matthew and understood it, you would have seen that there was an earthquake and that there was also turmoil among the people in Jerusalem.

Matthew 27:50-54: - 50 When Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, He yielded up His spirit. 51 At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked(G:4579) and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53 After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.​

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54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the turmoil(G:4578) and all that had happened, they were terrified and said, “Truly this was the Son of God.”​

Verse 51(b) above is describing an earthquake while the centurion saw the resulting turmoil as a result of Christ being crucified and the earthquake that occurred at the same time as Christ died on the cross. In Mark 15:33 we are also told that there was darkness over all of the land between the six and ninth hours of the day.

Another Gospel records this: -

Luke 23:47-48: - 47 When the centurion saw what had happened, he gave glory to God, saying, “Surely this was a righteous man.” 49 And when all the people who had gathered for this spectacle saw what had happened, they returned home beating their breasts.​

A few verses further along in Matthew's Gospel he recorded this: -

Matthew 28:2: - 2 Suddenly there was a great earthquake/turmoil, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and sat on it.​

The question that needs to be asked and answered is, "Can an Angel descending down through the air cause an earthquake?"

I would answer this question with a NO as an earthquake can only happens in the earth itself and not in air or in water. However, the angel descending from heaven would have caused great turmoil in the Temple guard, guarding the tomb, when the angel descended.

But your question is valid as to whether or not an earthquake actually occurred at the time of Christ's death.

Matthew's gospel does not indicate when the centurion made his statement, “Truly this was the Son of God.” The centurion could have made this statement at any time after Christ died based on the turmoil that he saw during and after the crucifixion.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Perhaps if you had read Matthew and understood it, you would have seen that there was an earthquake and that there was also turmoil among the people in Jerusalem.

Matthew 27:50-54: - 50 When Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, He yielded up His spirit. 51 At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked(G:4579) and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53 After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.​

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54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the turmoil(G:4578) and all that had happened, they were terrified and said, “Truly this was the Son of God.”​

Verse 51(b) above is describing an earthquake while the centurion saw the resulting turmoil as a result of Christ being crucified and the earthquake that occurred at the same time as Christ died on the cross. In Mark 15:33 we are also told that there was darkness over all of the land between the six and ninth hours of the day.

Another Gospel records this: -

Luke 23:47-48: - 47 When the centurion saw what had happened, he gave glory to God, saying, “Surely this was a righteous man.” 49 And when all the people who had gathered for this spectacle saw what had happened, they returned home beating their breasts.​

A few verses further along in Matthew's Gospel he recorded this: -

Matthew 28:2: - 2 Suddenly there was a great earthquake/turmoil, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and sat on it.​

The question that needs to be asked and answered is, "Can an Angel descending down through the air cause an earthquake?"

I would answer this question with a NO as an earthquake can only happens in the earth itself and not in air or in water. However, the angel descending from heaven would have caused great turmoil in the Temple guard, guarding the tomb, when the angel descended.

But your question is valid as to whether or not an earthquake actually occurred at the time of Christ's death.

Matthew's gospel does not indicate when the centurion made his statement, “Truly this was the Son of God.” The centurion could have made this statement at any time after Christ died based on the turmoil that he saw during and after the crucifixion.

Turmoil is just so common everyday, and everyone suffers emotional turmoil over tragedies, illnesses, deah of loved ones. Major earthquakes are not - especially when the earthquake causes thousands to die.

Word for earthquake: σεισμοὶ (seismoi) Noun - Nominative Masculine Plural Strong's 4578: A shaking (as an earthquake); a storm. From seio; a commotion, i.e. a gale, an earthquake. >> Matt. 8:24, 24:7, 27:54, 28:2, Mark 14:8, Luke 21 :11, Acts 16:26, Rev. 6:12, 11:14, 11:19, 16:18 Seismoi- where we get the words seismic, seismology

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Well, it was possibility; but a false alarm. Iran did not attack on the 9th of Av. They likely will soon though.

 

[Jay Ross]

Turmoil is just so common everyday, and everyone suffers emotional turmoil over tragedies, illnesses, death of loved ones. Major earthquakes are not - especially when the earthquake causes thousands to die.

Word for earthquake: σεισμοὶ (seismoi) Noun - Nominative Masculine Plural Strong's 4578: A shaking (as an earthquake); a storm. From seio; a commotion, i.e. a gale, an earthquake. >> Matt. 8:24, 24:7, 27:54, 28:2, Mark 14:8, Luke 21 :11, Acts 16:26, Rev. 6:12, 11:14, 11:19, 16:18 Seismoi- where we get the words seismic, seismology

Tradition is not a good justification to reject what I have posted.

In Revelation 16:17-21 we have two historical events that happened during the 20th century, namely the remembrance of Babylon in 1926 before the Lord and the partitioning of Jerusalem into three distinct areas under the control of three governmental entities, Jordan, Britian and the UN in 1948. In this Bowl judgement it also tells us that there were two great earthquakes which I cannot find any record of in the historical records for the 20th century. However, I can find historical records of two great periods of turmoil that occurred during the 20th century.

Perhaps you my like to enlighten me with the historical evidence that point to these two great earthquakes that occurred during the 20th century.

I away your post pointing out when these earthquakes occurred.

Goodbye

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Tradition is not a good justification to reject what I have posted.

In Revelation 16:17-21 we have two historical events that happened during the 20th century, namely the remembrance of Babylon in 1926 before the Lord and the partitioning of Jerusalem into three distinct areas under the control of three governmental entities, Jordan, Britian and the UN in 1948. In this Bowl judgement it also tells us that there were two great earthquakes which I cannot find any record of in the historical records for the 20th century. However, I can find historical records of two great periods of turmoil that occurred during the 20th century.

Perhaps you my like to enlighten me with the historical evidence that point to these two great earthquakes that occurred during the 20th century.

I away your post pointing out when these earthquakes occurred.

Goodbye

Nothing in Rev. 16 has happened yet and so I doubt that I can enlighten you. Likely the events described in the first four Seals of Rev. 6 have at least begun. None of the events described in seals 5, 6 or 7 have taken place. The Seven Trumpets haven't been blown, nor have the Seven Bowls of wrath been emptied. You'll know when these things happen..Then the enlightenment will hit you.
For instance the devastation from the first four Seals amounts to death of 2 billion people. REV. 6: 12 and Rev. 16:18 might very well be the same worldwide earthquake. Has there ever been a worldwide earthquake? Maybe that asteroid that hit in the Gulf of Mexico did, but we will all be aware of this major event. I'm sure it will be accompanied by turmoil to satisfy part of your interpretation. Bye!

 

[Wrangler]

Wars, rumors of wars ...

On that day in Jewish history, many catastrophies have occurred.

I'm not sure of the topic under discussion. What is your thesis statement?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Wars, rumors of wars ...


I'm not sure of the topic under discussion. What is your thesis statement?

Well, the topic was that Iran might attack Israel on the 9th of Av, since many disastrous things have happened on that day in their history. That day has past and so the thread was just conjecture that turned out to be a false presumption.
I would delete it if I could, no one was interested anyways.
Nevertheless, Iran will likely attack Israel and that is maybe the most serious event in their history.

 

[Wrangler]

Nevertheless, Iran will likely attack Israel and that is maybe the most serious event in their history.

Thanks for the clarification. Are you aware that the country where Christianity is growing fastest is Iran? Not sure when they can change the tenor of the government.

 

[Jay Ross]

Nothing in Rev. 16 has happened yet and so I doubt that I can enlighten you. Likely the events described in the first four Seals of Rev. 6 have at least begun. None of the events described in seals 5, 6 or 7 have taken place. The Seven Trumpets haven't been blown, nor have the Seven Bowls of wrath been emptied. You'll know when these things happen. Then the enlightenment will hit you.
For instance, the devastation from the first four Seals amounts to death of 2 billion people. REV. 6: 12 and Rev. 16:18 might very well be the same worldwide earthquake. Has there ever been a worldwide earthquake? Maybe that asteroid that hit in the Gulf of Mexico did, but we will all be aware of this major event. I'm sure it will be accompanied by turmoil to satisfy part of your interpretation. Bye!

"So, nothing in Rev 16 has happened yet," according to you. That is a bold statement on your part. Because of this statement, I agree that you are not in any position to "enlighten" me, or anyone else, when you hold to that belief.

You also claimed in your reply that, "the devastation from the first four Seals amounts to the death of 2 billion people." I have great difficulty seeing your logic to arrive at this number of apparently violent deaths. I assume that your claim is based on the fact that in Rev 6:8 John wrote this: -

Rev 6:8: - Then I looked and saw a pale green horse. Its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed close behind. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill by sword, by famine, by plague, and by the beasts of the earth.​

The understanding of the authority was over what part of the earth? Was it over a quarter of the land mass of the earth? Was it over a quarter of the number of people living on the earth during this time? The extent of the authority given is not clear with the prescriptive description that the authority was over a fourth of the earth. So, your claim that 2 billion people died during the devastation of the first four seals is just speculation on your part.

Then you speculate that Rev 6:12 and Rev 16:18 may well be the same earthquake in both verses. Again, speculation on your part, which may be true, but Rev 16:18 speaks of two periods where "seismos" events take place while Rev 6:12 only speaks of one such event.

Oh well, it is pointless to continue this conversation with you with the assumptions that you have already made.

Bye bye

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Thanks for the clarification. Are you aware that the country where Christianity is growing fastest is Iran? Not sure when they can change the tenor of the government.

I do not believe the Iranian people ( maybe some) want Israel annihilated. It is the evil government, the Supreme leader, Ali Ayatollah Khamenei, who funds terrorism and who will order an attack. Even the president advices him not to.
It is a long deep seated hated of the Jews since Mohammed. There is no reasoning or peaceful resolution or compromise with them - they are insane.

 

[CC7799]

Perhaps if you had read Matthew and understood it, you would have seen that there was an earthquake and that there was also turmoil among the people in Jerusalem.

Matthew 27:50-54: - 50 When Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, He yielded up His spirit. 51 At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked(G:4579) and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53 After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.​

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54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the turmoil(G:4578) and all that had happened, they were terrified and said, “Truly this was the Son of God.”​

Verse 51(b) above is describing an earthquake while the centurion saw the resulting turmoil as a result of Christ being crucified and the earthquake that occurred at the same time as Christ died on the cross. In Mark 15:33 we are also told that there was darkness over all of the land between the six and ninth hours of the day.

Another Gospel records this: -

Luke 23:47-48: - 47 When the centurion saw what had happened, he gave glory to God, saying, “Surely this was a righteous man.” 49 And when all the people who had gathered for this spectacle saw what had happened, they returned home beating their breasts.​

A few verses further along in Matthew's Gospel he recorded this: -

Matthew 28:2: - 2 Suddenly there was a great earthquake/turmoil, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and sat on it.​

The question that needs to be asked and answered is, "Can an Angel descending down through the air cause an earthquake?"

I would answer this question with a NO as an earthquake can only happens in the earth itself and not in air or in water. However, the angel descending from heaven would have caused great turmoil in the Temple guard, guarding the tomb, when the angel descended.

But your question is valid as to whether or not an earthquake actually occurred at the time of Christ's death.

Matthew's gospel does not indicate when the centurion made his statement, “Truly this was the Son of God.” The centurion could have made this statement at any time after Christ died based on the turmoil that he saw during and after the crucifixion.

Good point.
Peace.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I do not believe the Iranian people ( maybe some) want Israel annihilated. It is the evil government, the Supreme leader, Ali Ayatollah Khamenei, who funds terrorism and who will order an attack. Even the president advices him not to.
It is a long deep seated hated of the Jews since Mohammed. There is no reasoning or peaceful resolution or compromise with them - they are insane.

As with all Anti-Christ, it's all an eye for an eye. a nutcase circle of like W Churchill said of them, that they were like a dog with rabies.
Same with the bastard so called Jew, is of the same ilk in fact a Talmud Whore !

The Talmud is the same as Islam, they are as one in the same Satanist ! people like that are Sick and totaly depraved !

The Jew who truly followes Holy Moses has hope !

It's the Socialist Jews who let the State of Israel be attacked in fact ! You do not think that the Mossard did not know that this attack was not coming ! Well i knew it was coming as soon as Joe Biden The Great Socialist so called Democrat ! left all the weapons behind in Afghanistan, What a Hero ! Quick run away out of Afghanistan like a fool ! that Joe Biden the Great's legacy !

It's the USA Socialist Democrats that clearly wanted and helped and totaly created the War in the State of Israel in fact ! Why ? well it's all about geting a Socialist Government in Power in Israel ! that's the whole point in fact of the War. and not to mention so is Ukraine ! Joe Biden and his Mob brought the War on in Ukraine, it's all about geting their Man 'stooge' 'Puppet' into Power in Russia as well !
They planted a Stooge Puppet in Ukraine by cunning and then they got a Comedian into Power in Ukraine, a total Moron Puppet fool who has worked so as to get how many Ukraine people killed, he was happy to bring it all on in fact ! because he did not want them in the East to have the rights to Vote in fact ! because he knew they would totaly loose the Vote in fact !

All of the people who have been killed etc is all because of Joe Biden and Co, they brought it all on in fact ! Russia was just supporting a peoples rights to Vote in fact.