The truth always confronts our wrong, which doesn't feel good, so we are apt to call it names instead of allowing it to correct our wrong.What?
Your definition of "the simplicity of Christ" is tribalism.
Which you are causing. (your way, or the highway)
Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of doctrinal unity?
This is a follow-up to the previous topic: Unity of the faith - at what cost? Link below. Probably the biggest roadblock to Christian doctrinal unity is holding on to the freedom we have to determine our own beliefs. Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of Christian doctrinal...www.christianityboard.com
[
Thoughts on Christian Mysticism and Contemplative Practice
- Thread starter St. SteVen
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
I agree absolutely, that we must bring everything we hear from God directly, under the direction of scripture. It is always secondary for me to me to take early teachings into consideration.
It becomes a problem though when people speak from their denominational understanding of texts.
Throwing out the baby with the bathwater is what usually happens on one side or believing everything on the other.
It is what is left when the error is taken away and what is left does not contradict scripture (but not proof texting).
It happens when you can discern the voice of God when you have reached that stage of spiritual growth of which I have spoken of on other threads.
Just coming back to let you in on a newsflash....God likes there to be various tribes.What?
Your definition of "the simplicity of Christ" is tribalism.
Which you are causing. (your way, or the highway)
Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of doctrinal unity?
This is a follow-up to the previous topic: Unity of the faith - at what cost? Link below. Probably the biggest roadblock to Christian doctrinal unity is holding on to the freedom we have to determine our own beliefs. Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of Christian doctrinal...
[
LOL
My issue is not with tribes, my issue is with tribalism. Us versus them.
I think God wants tribes to get along, not to be at war with one another.
You'll need a sense of humor for this one.
I was recently trying to explain to my wife how men have a very different approach to problem solving than women. I likened the male approach to solving any conflict by burning a village. I wasn't sure if she totally understood the dark humor of what I was saying.
So I thought I should write a song about it. The village burning is only metaphorical, of course. No actual villages were burned in the making of this song. Although it might be ill-advised to give this song a bad review. (humor)
Title: Burn Your Village
VS 1
We don't see eye-to-eye - but that's okay
Let's sit and talk it out - right here today
Gather your people - and have your say
We'll find a compromise - come what may
And if diplomatic efforts - don't make the grade
In my heart I know that - we'll find a way...
CHORUS
Gonna burn your village and dance in the glow
Stow the loot in wagons right before we go
Put your shrunken heads on a bamboo pole
So you can hang around and watch the show
(REPEAT)
VS 2
We've planned a party - in your honor
If you attend - you'll be a goner
RSVP - your sons and daughters
Invite the grand folks - Moms and Fathers
No one missing - for the slaughter
Don't need to bring a thing - we got 'er
CHORUS/END
© Steve Lundgren 2018
[
Last edited:
It was God's idea (will) to divide up the human race into various peoples. And as long as we aren't trying to bring about a contrived false unity within the church either. "How can two walk together except they be agreed?"
It's for God to bring any needed judgment as He sees fit, not the church. And He often uses various kings/kingdoms to do it.
St. SteVen said:
What?
Your definition of "the simplicity of Christ" is tribalism.
Which you are causing. (your way, or the highway)
I was speaking about the divisiveness of tribalism. Your response? "God likes there to be various tribes."
Not sure if you are avoiding the question, or supporting divisive tribalism.
- If you use "How can two walk together except they be agreed?" as a 100% doctrinal agreement necessity for unity... then you must
be willing to surrender your personal doctrines to the party that decides what doctrines ALL will confess as absolute truth.
Critical considerations:
1) Who would you like to make that decision?
2) What if someone not to your liking was chosen to unify the church?
www.christianityboard.com
[
What?
Your definition of "the simplicity of Christ" is tribalism.
Which you are causing. (your way, or the highway)
This was your response to my quote above.
I was speaking about the divisiveness of tribalism. Your response? "God likes there to be various tribes."
Not sure if you are avoiding the question, or supporting divisive tribalism.
- A "contrived false unity within the church"?
- If you use "How can two walk together except they be agreed?" as a 100% doctrinal agreement necessity for unity... then you must
be willing to surrender your personal doctrines to the party that decides what doctrines ALL will confess as absolute truth.
Critical considerations:
1) Who would you like to make that decision?
2) What if someone not to your liking was chosen to unify the church?
Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of doctrinal unity?
This is a follow-up to the previous topic: Unity of the faith - at what cost? Link below. Probably the biggest roadblock to Christian doctrinal unity is holding on to the freedom we have to determine our own beliefs. Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of Christian doctrinal...
www.christianityboard.com
[
Whoa there. No one has been chosen to unify the church but Christ, His Spirit. If anyone claims otherwise, then Houston we've got a big problem. Antichrist maybe? Someone taking the place of Christ? Christianity is not a religion......it's a LIFE, a WAY, and THE TRUTH, in simplicity, led by the Head which is Christ by His Spirit.St. SteVen said:
What?
Your definition of "the simplicity of Christ" is tribalism.
Which you are causing. (your way, or the highway)
This was your response to my quote above.
I was speaking about the divisiveness of tribalism. Your response? "God likes there to be various tribes."
Not sure if you are avoiding the question, or supporting divisive tribalism.
- A "contrived false unity within the church"?
- If you use "How can two walk together except they be agreed?" as a 100% doctrinal agreement necessity for unity... then you must
be willing to surrender your personal doctrines to the party that decides what doctrines ALL will confess as absolute truth.
Critical considerations:
1) Who would you like to make that decision?
2) What if someone not to your liking was chosen to unify the church?
Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of doctrinal unity?
This is a follow-up to the previous topic: Unity of the faith - at what cost? Link below. Probably the biggest roadblock to Christian doctrinal unity is holding on to the freedom we have to determine our own beliefs. Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of Christian doctrinal...
[
Jesus never said things wouldn't be messy, on the contrary, He has sent us into a battle, sheep among wolves. He doesn't require us to pull everything together to wrap it up and tie it neatly with a bow.....that is man playing God....He only requires that we would each obey Him and do our part and leave any results or increase up to Him. And there isn't always increase...because He hardens hearts as well as draws some to Himself.
So you are still supporting divisive tribalism by claiming, "God likes there to be various tribes." - Lizbeth
And, "Jesus never said things wouldn't be messy..." - Lizbeth
???
[
I'm saying that your accusation of tribalism is a false strawman accusation. (or is it a red herring, forget which)
You entered this topic with guns-a-blazing. Here's your first post.
And now you come with this.
Tribalism calls out others who may have a different approach to a relationship with God than you do.
Us versus them. Where's the straw-man?
[
Christian mysticism and contemplative practice dates back to the early church. These practices are not some new idea cooked up to distract from focusing on a relationship with God. On the contrary, in fact.
And now you come with this.
By labeling ancient Christian practices as "Formulas, methods, gimmicks and rituals", it is you who is promoting divisive tribalism.
Tribalism calls out others who may have a different approach to a relationship with God than you do.
Us versus them. Where's the straw-man?
[
I stand behind what I said am just going to leave it at that and not drag this out any further.
Similar threads
