The Sabbath Round 2 Ebersöhn versus John MacArthur

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There's a guy, Robert Breaker who brags he 'walks in the Spirit'. He's walking in YouTube; if you want to waste your time damaging sound hearing, go listen to him. At least John MacArthur humbly confesses to walk according to the Scriptures. So we're not wasting any time following and scrutinising his arguments. Let's see how far and for how long we can stay together on the same walk and in peace in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Impeccable Hypocrisy Dr John MacArthur mastered to perfection.
Quote<<Let’s open the Word of God to the second chapter of the gospel of Mark, as we continue our wonderful spiritual adventure, living, as it were, with our Lord Jesus Christ, being with Him as if we were among His disciples, experiencing the things that they experienced through the eyes of Mark. Each of the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, is intended to present to us not only the events of the life of Jesus but the reality of His identity. It is not merely a story of a man and His activities, it’s a story of the God-man and His ministry and His purpose.
Each of the gospel writers, all four of them, is concerned that we understand who Jesus Christ is, the ringing and repeated messages that He is God in human flesh. There’s no mistaking that in the gospel of Mark. In chapter 1 in verse 1, He is introduced to us as Jesus Christ, the Son of God. In chapter 1 in verse 3, He is identified as the Lord. In chapter 1 verses 7 and 8, He is described as the coming One who is mightier than John the Baptist, and of Him, John says, “I am not fit to stoop down and untie the thong of His sandals.”
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It was God Himself who reiterated the Sabbath in Exodus 31 verses 12 to 17, and it was God who repeated the Ten Commandments in Deuteronomy 5 in the re-giving of the Law on the borders of the land of Canaan after the wandering in the wilderness for 40 years. It was always God who laid out the Sabbath law. To claim then to be Lord of the Sabbath was essentially to claim to be God. And anyone who does that is either God or a blasphemer of the rankest kind. And there really is no middle ground.
You cannot say of Jesus that He was a good teacher who got a little bit carried away with certain things. He is either God as He claimed to be, or He is the supreme blasphemer. You don’t have any option in the middle. Now, when Jesus called Himself Lord of the Sabbath, He struck the severest blow at the Pharisaic system. Because the Pharisaic system, the system of works, merit, self-righteousness, achievement, attainment, of spiritual relationship with God through ceremony and ritual and external law-keeping, found its focal point in the Sabbath.
Every seventh day of the week was the main day for Pharisaic religion. When Jesus then ignored, disdained the Sabbath, He put Himself in direct conflict with the Jewish leaders at the most sensitive point. We’re going to see that in this section at the end of chapter 2 and also in the first six verses of chapter 3. Both of these incidents are back-to-back illustrations of Jesus’ utter disregard for Judaism’s treatment of the Sabbath. Matthew, Mark and Luke present both of them back to back in the same way. They likely happened on sequential Sabbaths.
But before we look at verse 23 in this text, I want you to back up. I want you to back up in time to John chapter 5, John chapter 5. Before Jesus took on the Sabbath conflict in Galilee which is recorded in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and we’ll look at Mark’s account of it. This is the first time Mark mentions Sabbath conflict. He had already established His attitude toward the Sabbath in Jerusalem. Chapter 5 of the gospel of John begins, “After these things there was a feast of the Jews and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.” ....
Now here’s the problem. “Now, it was the Sabbath on that day.” The Sabbath ran from sundown Friday night to sundown Saturday night. That was the sacred time, it was the Sabbath. So the Jews respond in their compassionless merciless way, verse 10. This would be the Pharisees and the scribes and those who would adhere to their views, saying to the man who was cured, “It is the Sabbath, and it is not permissible for you to carry your pallet.”
I mean, have you have ever heard of insensitivity? Thirty-eight years the man has been ill and he finally could get up and walk and carry his bed and you make an issue out of the fact that it’s the Sabbath and you’re not supposed to be carrying something? But he answered them, “He who made me well was the one who said to me, ‘Pick up your pallet and walk.’” The point he’s making is “Look, if this man has power over disease, then he has an authority beyond yours. And when he said walk, I walked.” The man who He healed didn’t even know who He was, because Jesus slipped away while there was a crowd in that place.
Now go down to verse 16. Here’s the problem. “For this reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus because He was doing these things on the Sabbath.” Wow! How horrible to heal somebody on the Sabbath. Sabbatarian tradition was their domain and they were fanatical, I mean fanatical about it, way beyond Scripture. Scripture gives no restrictions for the Sabbath other than you don’t work, and that was a mercy. But they invented endless, impossible rules, restraints, restrictions for Sabbath conduct, and they made every one of those rules as restrictive as possible.
And the idea was that the more deprivations you have, the more holy you become. And then they guarded their rules fiercely, demanding that every person in the whole nation observe them all. This is the hill they would die on. Even the Sadducees who were their theological enemies and adversaries, generally – really, they hated each other – but the Sadducees yielded to the Pharisees on the Sabbath issues. They did it because they just couldn’t take the heat and they did it for the sake of peace and to maintain and safeguard their reputation as spiritual men.
They complied. Even the Sadducee high priest complied. Everybody complied with the forced restraints of Sabbatarianism. So ultra-activists, Sabbatarian legalism became the defining religious emblem of spiritual virtue in Israel. And Jesus rejected it all. He would never conform to the traditions of men, to manmade rules that had replaced the Law of God. He says that to them in
Matthew 15. “You have substituted traditions of men for the Law of God.” So this event, John 5, hits the Pharisees and scribes at the heart of their system. They’re callous, they’re compassionless, they are brutal, they are merciless toward people suffering. They are fanatical about their self-righteous rules. [[innuendos]]
This is what Jesus had in mind, by the way, when He said in Matthew 11:28 and following, He said this, “Come unto Me all you who labor and who are heavy laden.” He wasn’t talking about people who were doing physical labor. He was talking about people who were under the burden of an oppressive, restrictive, Sabbatarian [Not Pharisaic!] legalism from which you could get no relief, from which you never were delivered from a guilty conscience. “Come unto Me all you who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you” – What? – “rest. Take My yoke, learn of Me. My yoke is easy, My burden is light.” Massive difference between grace and the legalistic system.>>Quote End

When it is the Sabbath kept and not the Sunday kept, you get all the above. All the innuendos imply none others than Christians believing the Seventh Day instead of Sunday. <<He was talking about people who were under the burden of an oppressive, restrictive, Sabbatarian [not Pharisaic] legalism from which you could get no relief, from which you never were delivered from a guilty conscience.>> Bold GE

Sabbatarian’ – not Pharisaic—which is utter Pharisaic bigotry for John MacArthur to say! O, not a word wrong, no word or idea not planned, weighed or placed incorrectly. Impeccable Hypocrisy Dr John MacArthur mastered to perfection.
 

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Every seventh day of the week was the main day for Pharisaic religion. When Jesus then ignored, disdained the Sabbath, He put Himself in direct conflict with the Jewish leaders at the most sensitive point. We’re going to see that in this section at the end of chapter 2 and also in the first six verses of chapter 3. Both of these incidents are back-to-back illustrations of Jesus’ utter disregard for Judaism’s treatment of the Sabbath.

Learn by example:

Instead of saying after Holy Scripture: Every Seventh Day Sabbath of the week the main day for the only Divine religion ever Revealed, say after John MacArthur: <<Every seventh day of the week was the main day for Pharisaic religion>>.

Instead of saying after the Gospel Scriptures of Jesus Christ: When Jesus then disdained the Jewish leaders, He put Himself in direct conflict with them at the most sensitive point, the Sabbath, say after John Macarthur: <<When Jesus then ignored, disdained the Sabbath with these illustrations of His utter disregard for Judaism’s treatment of the Sabbath>>.
 

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It is clear already from these opening two chapters that the Holy One of God, the Son of God, the Lord, is the one who has power and authority over demons, power and authority over temptation, power and authority over Satan, power and authority over disease, and even power and authority to forgive sin. How important this is if He is to be the Savior that He be able to overpower all the effects of fallenness in the world, overpowering Satan, overpowering demons, overpowering disease, even overpowering death and overpowering sin.

And so, Mark has unmistakably identified Him as God in human flesh, the true Savior and Redeemer. In our text, verses 23 to 28 which concludes chapter 2, He is identified by another title. It comes in verse 28, “So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

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<<…the Savior that (is) able to overpower all .. sin .. even the Sabbath>>!

Unbroken, continuous, followed through logically, READING, exposes MacArthur's TRUE INTENTIONS. Mesmerise the hearer / reader with as many irrelevancies of own opinion and side-issues as you can, to utterly confuse him so that no syntactical order or proper construction of composition can be made out. Spiritually force-feed as for pâté de foie grass, all in the name of truth and Christian Faith! Because that, is the only way to reach Sunday the Lord’s day. Scripture but never with just Scripture!
 
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Example:
<<Stop all the self-effort, come to the cross, embrace grace, the gift of salvation comes if you repent and believe in Christ. May we proclaim it far and wide, even as our Lord did. May we have the strength and the courage to confront the error, never build a bridge to error, never look for common ground with those who preach a damning and deadly message.>>

What is the <damning and deadly message> Who are <those who preach a damning and deadly message>? Unbroken, continuous, followed through logically, READING, exposes MacArthur's TRUE INTENTIONS. What is the <damning and deadly message> and who are <those who preach a damning and deadly message>? It is the <<damning and deadly message>> of the Sabbath preached by those who through <self-effort> think to <save> themselves, who all because of the Sabbath and its <message>, refuse to <<come to the cross, embrace grace and the gift of salvation>> and won’t <<repent and believe in Christ>>! But <<may we>> –Sunday the Lord’s day true believers–, <<proclaim salvation far and wide>> and never the Sabbath or its <message> which is a <<damning and deadly message>> ever irreconcilable with what our <Lord did> or taught or showed us example in.
So prays Dr John MacArthur closing his sermon, <<May we have the strength and the courage to confront the error, never build a bridge to error, never look for common ground with those who preach a damning and deadly message>> : of “the Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD”—, “GOD IN CHRIST” “SAVIOUR OF HIS PEOPLE” FOR WHOM “FEASTING OF SABBATH REMAINS VALIDLY ESSENTIAL”.
 

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Each of the gospel writers, all four of them, is concerned that we understand who Jesus Christ is, the ringing and repeated messages that He is God in human flesh.

True indeed which IMPLIES JUST AS TRUELY, that each of the Gospel writers, all four of them, are concerned that we understand WHO Jesus Christ was, and their ringing and repeated messages is that AS He was and always will be <<God in human flesh>>, SO will Jesus Christ henceforth always be GOD in human TIME. Since God’s creating, sanctifying, blessing, finishing and resting "on the Seventh Day", He through JESUS CHRIST “sanctified, blessed, finished and rested the Seventh Day". Because THAT is <<WHO Jesus Christ was>>: “the Son of Man (who) is Lord of the Sabbath”; and THAT is and was WHAT the Gospel writers with <ringing and repeated message> declare that He forever after will be in TIME AS GOD: “the Son of Man <in the flesh Who is> Lord of the Sabbath Day”.
 

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No apostles no authority!
The sabbath is of the old creation
We are of the new creation
A new creature in Christ!
Holy Mother church has authority to celebrate on the Lord’s day