The Human Mind...

[MA2444]

You see, we were all taught from birth to engage the physical world with our mind and out 5 senses. But now I found out that we are created in God image and God is a spirit, so we are spirit beings. How do live as a spirit being? Well they left that out of our education. Live and learn. Scripture says, look to the unseen world. I am a spirit who has a soul that lives in a physical body. Our body has 5 senses, Our soul is best buddys with our body and leans on our physical senses. But if we have 5 physical senses then it's reasonable to assume that we have 5 spiritual senses also.

This is sounding sort of Twilight Zone so I'm'a going to need a scripture...!!
Oh here it is.
Hebrews 5:14
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil..../KJV

So we do have spiritual senses and are supposed to exercise them and use them! So how do we do that?
This is Ian Clayton and he picks up my questions and goes right through all of it in this teaching. I hardly ever see a video with such a large amount of answers in it before. He teaches on these very things, How the mind works, how the brain works, and how the Spiritual realm (Kingodm realm) word and how to engage our spiritual senses ad engage the Holy Spirit and how to engage the Kingdom realm. Great video!

 

[Raccoon1010]

That is very strange to me. I'm almost hearing eastern religion and that psychology nonsense.

Dissecting and studying your own soul is probably not wise, it is God's Temple and beyond man's comprehension. God is able to discern and heal and provide for man and his Temple.

We do the following and then God directs and guides of thru the Holy Spirit to follow Jesus' way to the Father. God gives us direction to him that way as we serve God and his children.

We are baptized confessing our sins, Prayed over to receive the Holy Spirit by Priests of God, Received the Bread and Wine of the New Covenant of Jesus the Christ

Baptism, Confirmation for the Hole Ghost & Sacrament
Honoring God
Obeying the Commandments
Praying
Reading Scriptures
Attending a Church
Serving Others in Charity
Proclaiming the Gospel
Etc...

Hope that helps!

 

[Bob]

Thank you for your post and the above reply.

Here is a reference worth delving into, by Keith Ward (philosopher, Regius Professor of Divinity at Oxford): “More Than Matter? What Humans Really Are“ (2010, Lion Hudson).

Although we as Christians are well aware of our spiritual nature and a spirit-filled world, we might find it difficult to convince secularist philosophers that we are more than organic robots. This book vanquishes their arguments one by one.

Blessings.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Baptism, Confirmation for the Hole Ghost & Sacrament
Honoring God
Obeying the Commandments
Praying
Reading Scriptures
Attending a Church
Serving Others in Charity
Proclaiming the Gospel
Etc...

You left out the first and most important step.... believing on Christ and His finished work, surrendering and receiving Him as Savior and Lord.

 

[MA2444]

That is very strange to me. I'm almost hearing eastern religion and that psychology nonsense.

Dissecting and studying your own soul is probably not wise, it is God's Temple and beyond man's comprehension. God is able to discern and heal and provide for man and his Temple.

It does sound sort of out there doesnt it? !! Twilight Zone. But only because they never taught us how to live as spirit beings. Ohhh stay away from that stuff, it's baaad. If we were created in God's image...well God is a spirit, it says so in scripture. So we are spirits. We have a soul and we live in this temporary body while on earth.

What's not wise about it? Thinking about how the soul/spirit/body relationship really works. You are not the man you see in the mirror, you are inside that. That's just your rusty Nova that you see in the mirror! (Or maybe your're yong and it's a muscle car still? lol.

Colossians 3:2
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth..../KJV

Eh?

We do the following and then God directs and guides of thru the Holy Spirit to follow Jesus' way to the Father. God gives us direction to him that way as we serve God and his children.

We are baptized confessing our sins, Prayed over to receive the Holy Spirit by Priests of God, Received the Bread and Wine of the New Covenant of Jesus the Christ

Baptism, Confirmation for the Hole Ghost & Sacrament
Honoring God
Obeying the Commandments
Praying
Reading Scriptures
Attending a Church
Serving Others in Charity
Proclaiming the Gospel
Etc...

I think you answered it yourself in your first line?
God directs and guides (US?) thru the Holy Spirit to follow Jesus' way to the Father. God gives us direction to him
I think you had a typo so I fixed it, is that right?

Your talking about being led by the Spirit? That is what we are instructed to do. So there's nothing wrong with engaging the Holy Spirit or the Lord and walking in that and pressing in to that sort of a relationship with Him. I wouldnt want ever hear, I never knew you! I'd rather be known as the talkative child that never shuts up, lol!

Look at it this way, Jesus paid a high price in death to be able to save us. And we believe Him! Praise the Lord! So that spirit soul thing is a real thing His Word says. So why be scared of picking it apart and learning how to engage the Spirit of God even more than we did yesterday? Sure it's a little sppoky, but He loves us and we wont get hurt by...if we are the temple of the Holy Spirit now and we are in Christ, and Christ is in us, then it's only spooky because we never learned about that aspect of the Lord before. But it's true. God is a Spirit. Angels are real. Demons are real. There is a spiritual realm that is where the Kingdom of God is....and He is inside of us now in the temple of the Holy Spirit. You turn inwardly to seek the Lord. You meet Him in your own special place inside of you, your Holy of Holies. Where only you go to be with Him and worship Him. And yes, talk to Him. Prayer is not a monologue my Brother! It is a dialogue.

So what could possibly be unwise about that? Seeking the Lord! Not astral projection or any weird crap. In the temple of the Lord. Hey, I heard that's you! (and me!)

 

[MA2444]

Thank you for your post and the above reply.

Here is a reference worth delving into, by Keith Ward (philosopher, Regius Professor of Divinity at Oxford): “More Than Matter? What Humans Really Are“ (2010, Lion Hudson).

Although we as Christians are well aware of our spiritual nature and a spirit-filled world, we might find it difficult to convince secularist philosophers that we are more than organic robots. This book vanquishes their arguments one by one.

Blessings.

I'm'a have to look that up at my local library and see if they have a copy! It sounds good. The kind of book that sticks to the shelves after reading it, lol! I'll pay them the $10 or whatever. My dog ate it, lol.

I believe I was about 8 years old when I picked up on the fact that people have spirits. It was the little girls. I seen that they was different than boys. They felt different when you come close to them in their personal space than any other people (boys). They were different and I knew it. And why do they act the way they do? Lol! But they smell good! And I had lots of years confirming it even without walking with the Lord.

But we got bigger fish to fry I now know! Sorry ladies, you had your chance, lol. It's so calm and peaceful living here alone with just my dog. Quiet. Very quiet! I love it! Girls are cukoo nowadays anyway, lol.

The way I understand it (my hobby when I was about 10 or so was I started reading psychology books, lol!), but I've thought and pondered for a long time on these things, especially after I came to know the Lord Jesus as my Lord and Savior! And He tells us over and over in scripture, do not be conformed to the world, look not to worldly things, look to the unseen, be led by the Spirit...Dont look down, look up!

Do you think our imagination is a tool or a spiritual sense of some sort? I think it might be. Suppose a man wants to build a chair. He thinks about it, and enters into the spiritual realm thru his imagination and he receives a picture of the chair. He goes back thru the gateway of his imagination back into the physical world...and builds the chair! Because he has a picture of it i his mind now. What do you think?

 

[MA2444]

You left out the first and most important step.... believing on Christ and His finished work, surrendering and receiving Him as Savior and Lord.

You said a mouthful there Sister! It's my understanding that, Believing or Belief has an action connotation to it in the original language. And the action is, we make a choice and that dictates our actions which is commonly referred to as walking in faith or being led by the Spirit. We have to allow ourselves to be led by the Spirit. And how do we do that? He told us, Pray unceasingly! Moment by moment, never losing the awareness of His presence with us. If you're talking to Him all the time then it makes it hard to accidently ignore Him!

Because He's there whether you remember He is or not!

 

[Bob]

I'm'a have to look that up at my local library and see if they have a copy! It sounds good. The kind of book that sticks to the shelves after reading it, lol! I'll pay them the $10 or whatever. My dog ate it, lol.

I believe I was about 8 years old when I picked up on the fact that people have spirits. It was the little girls. I seen that they was different than boys. They felt different when you come close to them in their personal space than any other people (boys). They were different and I knew it. And why do they act the way they do? Lol! But they smell good! And I had lots of years confirming it even without walking with the Lord.

But we got bigger fish to fry I now know! Sorry ladies, you had your chance, lol. It's so calm and peaceful living here alone with just my dog. Quiet. Very quiet! I love it! Girls are cukoo nowadays anyway, lol.

The way I understand it (my hobby when I was about 10 or so was I started reading psychology books, lol!), but I've thought and pondered for a long time on these things, especially after I came to know the Lord Jesus as my Lord and Savior! And He tells us over and over in scripture, do not be conformed to the world, look not to worldly things, look to the unseen, be led by the Spirit...Dont look down, look up!

Do you think our imagination is a tool or a spiritual sense of some sort? I think it might be. Suppose a man wants to build a chair. He thinks about it, and enters into the spiritual realm thru his imagination and he receives a picture of the chair. He goes back thru the gateway of his imagination back into the physical world...and builds the chair! Because he has a picture of it i his mind now. What do you think?

Thank you for your thoughtful response.

By the way, there are a number YouTube videos featuring Keith Ward on this subject.

Regarding your question about whether imagination could be a spiritual sense. Intriguing!

Consider a mathematical object like the perfect circle. It strictly cannot exist in the real world, but Plato (for one) said that the world observed by our senses is defective, whereas abstract ideas (e.g., your picture of a chair) form a reality outside our world of space, materials, energy, and time. (See also summaries of his philosophy.)

My own belief about our mind: God speaks to us through our subconscious. If we have a problem to solve helping others, and pray for His help, then after sometime, inspiration will seem to emerge from our subconscious. I believe He works with our spirit (and all our stored knowledge) to engender these ideas.

Blessings.

 

[Taken]

But now I found out that we are created in God image and God is a spirit, so we are spirit beings.

God IS Spirit….
God Has 7 Spirits.
God HAS a Soul…
God HAS a Body…
God Has no beginning…
God Can NOT Die…
Celestial Created Spirits can Never Die…

Men are Mortal beings who MUST / SHALL die.
Men Have a Body.
Men Have a Spirit.
Men Have a Soul.

Likeness, Similar…not the Same.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[MA2444]

God IS Spirit….
God Has 7 Spirits.
God HAS a Soul…
God HAS a Body…
God Has no beginning…
God Can NOT Die…
Celestial Created Spirits can Never Die…

Men are Mortal beings who MUST / SHALL die.
Men Have a Body.
Men Have a Spirit.
Men Have a Soul.

Likeness, Similar…not the Same.

Glory to God,
Taken

When God created mankind, He said let us make man in our image and likeness. What does that mean? Is the man in the mirror you? Or are you inside of that body?

Similar not exactly the same...I'll agree with that as far as, we are not nor shall be omnipotent, omniscient, and those sorts of characteristics.

Scripture does say that all men are appointed unto death one time. And then there is a 22nd death for the condemned. However, what about Elijah? Enoch? They were taken with dying. What about John? (John was implied but not named). as one who would not die.

John 21:
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true..../KJV

What does that mean anyway? Is John still here somewhere? Changed his name maybe?
Or should I peel this page out of my bible? If this is not telling us that so maybe John wont die, but what business is that of yours? Then what Does it mean?

 

[Taken]

When God created mankind, He said let us make man in our image and likeness. What does that mean? Is the man in the mirror you? Or are you inside of that body?

Outer self is not the extent of man, or God.
Inner self is not the extend of man, or God.

However, what about Elijah? Enoch? They were taken with dying. What about John? (John was implied but not named). as one who would not die.

Elijah, Enoch, Moses, John….nothing new…
Had body’s subject to Die.
Had living souls, (saved ) in an out of their body.
Had spirits in an out of their bodys.

Body, soul, spirit OF a man ALL have the same Identity (names & pronouns).

I believe human body’s come from the earth, live, die and return to the earth.

I do not believe human body’s come from heaven and die and “return” to heaven….nor such body’s remain naturally alive and “go” to heaven.

God “takes” and “receives” unto Himself IN Heaven….Departed (out of dead body’s) living souls and spirits of men….

God ALSO has the authority and Power to return Living souls INTO DEAD BODY’S that the body resumes Living…(which will be real handy on judgement day, when it is time for a mans BODY to be judged).

I believe … Enoch’s body, Elijah’s body…taught by men their body’s never died is men teaching a false narrative, by ignoring the truth…human body’s come from the earth, live, die and return to the earth…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[MA2444]

Outer self is not the extent of man, or God.
Inner self is not the extend of man, or God.

That sounds very philosophical but you didnt really answer my questions.

Elijah, Enoch, Moses, John….nothing new…
Had body’s subject to Die.
Had living souls, (saved ) in an out of their body.
Had spirits in an out of their bodys.

Body, soul, spirit OF a man ALL have the same Identity (names & pronouns).

In & outside of their body? Do you mean like, even now we are seated in Heavenly places with Christ? I'll buy that, but where is the identity? The personality and the mind...when the body dies?

I believe human body’s come from the earth, live, die and return to the earth.

I do not believe human body’s come from heaven and die and “return” to heaven….nor such body’s remain naturally alive and “go” to heaven.

God “takes” and “receives” unto Himself IN Heaven….Departed (out of dead body’s) living souls and spirits of men….

God ALSO has the authority and Power to return Living souls INTO DEAD BODY’S that the body resumes Living…(which will be real handy on judgement day, when it is time for a mans BODY to be judged).

I read that in scripture also, so it is true. But when the body dies and goes to the grave/ground, where is the personality and mind of that person? In the ground? In Heaven? Do you identify with the man in the mirror?

 

[Taken]

In & outside of their body? Do you mean like, even now we are seated in Heavenly places with Christ? I'll buy that, but where is the identity? The personality and the mind...when the body dies?

Body, soul, spirit is the wholeness of a man…
Body has it’s life…blood
Soul has it’s life….Gods breath
Spirit has it’s life…mans seed or Gods seed.

Blood cease to flow…body dies
Body dies, spirit with mans seed dies.
Soul departs body, continues living.
Spirit with Gods seed, departs body continues living.

Body, soul, spirit…all identified by the same name.


Glory to God,
Taken