Subtle Deceptions of the Watchtower

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I asked James what he knew of the Holy Spirit and he said that 'it' was just a 'force' so I did a study for him of the work of the Holy Spirit shown throughout the bible and that would have been one of the things he then questioned his elders about.

It was an eye opened to me and the most horrible funeral I ever went to was for my cousins husband. he wasn't a JW as far as I'm aware but it was the JWs who led it and it was completely without hope.

My cousin almost had a panic attack one day when we were shopping together and she followed me into the Christian bookshop. And she thought it was sinful to celebrate birthdays. She was such a kind woman and it was all wasted on the Watchtower Org.
Yes, an electrical force is what I was taught. Very sad.

I attended my dad's funeral (Jw) It was a long dictated Jw conversion message. Extended family looked as if they would be sick.
Horrible. I was forbidden to lay flowers on my dad's grave.
At the luncheon Jws asked who I was. When I told them , they gasped saying they didn't' know he had "other" children. I was tempterd to tell them WHY they didn't know that, but held my peace.
When my my mom died, I chose to stay away. I made the right choice.

Yes, I recall anything like a cross or a "wrapped" gift, or a flag can make them literally shake.
 
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This is a LONG POST- Several pages. It is thorough & documented. Grab a coffee..
Many are familiar with the Jehovah's Witnesses's NWT bible version of John 1:1. ( The Word was a god)
However, many aren't aware that the Watchtower Society has lied & is lying to their members about their knowledge of a man involved in the Occult world who was a partaker in seances with spirit mediums. They have quoted him frequently to bolster their translation of John 1:1 and Matt 27. -----------JWs also have many many similarities in teachings with this Spiritist. ---------
I will prove this to you below.
Follow along in this sequence of events over the years that prove them to be lying about this demonic connection ---

First, a little important background-
Johannes Greber
was born in Germany in 1874 and died in NJ, USA in 1944. He was once a Catholic priest. In Germany, he attended a seance with a parishoner where a spirit medium in a trance began speaking. He engaged Johannes Greber and he was communicating with the spirits through the medium. The spirits told Greber that the bible was very corrupted, mutilated actually, with paragraphs & chapters missing, as well as the spirits supplying Greber with new doctrines regarding God and His Son, etc.

After attending various seance meetings for the next two and a half years, Greber took leave from the Catholic Church.
He and his wife immigrated to Teaneck, New Jersey in 1929 where he opened a spiritualist church with prayer and healing sessions.
It was at this time that Greber asked for help from Edward Niemann, a deep-trance medium. It was through Niemann that a spirit announced during a meeting to both Johannes and Elizabeth, a meetings member, that they were to be married. They were married in a couple of months. The spirit spoke through Niemann to perform the ceremony. Greber's new wife was also a spirit medium who often helped Greber write books as she was seeing large red letters passing in front of her.

Greber
then authored a book in 1932 called, "Communication with the Spirit World: Its Laws and Its Purpose" which detailed his journey into spiritism, and depicted the doctrines and principles of the new beliefs revealed to him through his communications with the spirits.

*Jws have MANY similarities in doctrines with Mr. Greber's in his above book. I will post that list on this thread after I finish this topic.
Greber then began his own translation,
" The New Testament by Johannes Greber" in 1935, aided by his communications with the spirits from the seances & his spirit medium wife.
It was this work that the Watchtower Society used to support its own translation of selected verses in their New World Translation. The JW NWT bible version (New Testament only) was introduced in 1950.
Translators were kept anonymous
The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society knew full well that Johannes Greber was a spiritist back in 1955-- Yet they repeatedly quoted him to bolster their own translation... keep your eye on the dates.
 

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Look at this scathing rebuke by the Watchtower of RCC & Mr Greber-
QUOTE~ 1955

– The Watchtower 1955- October 1 p. 603 par. 33 Part 3—What Do the Scriptures Say About “Survival After Death”?

" Is such official Catholic teaching as the above an impenetrable defense against the invasion of spiritism? No! It is an invitation to spiritism, and the conditions in Roman Catholic lands, such as Peru, Costa Rica, Cuba and Haiti, show Roman Catholicism to be no bulwark against this spreading peril. In such lands the Catholic people, even up to 90 per cent, mix spiritism or voodooism right in with Roman Catholicism, practicing both at the same time with no objection or penalty by the priests. It comes as no surprise that one Johannes Greber, a former Catholic clergyman, has become a spiritualist and has published the book entitled “Communication with the Spirit World, Its laws and Its Purpose.” (1932, Macoy Publishing Company, New York) In its Foreword he makes the typical misstatement: “The most significant spiritualistic book is the Bible; for its principal contents hinge upon the messages of the beyond to those existing in the present.”

And this one in 1956--
QUOTE~

The Watchtower 1956- February 15 pp. 110-111 pars. 10-11 Triumphing over Wicked Spirit Forces
Says Johannes Greber in the introduction of his translation of The New Testament, copyrighted in 1937: “I myself was a Catholic priest, and until I was forty-eight years old had never as much as believed in the possibility of communicating with the world of spirits. The day came, however, when I involuntarily took my first step toward such communication, and experienced things that shook me to the depths of my soul. . . . My experiences are related in a book that has appeared in both German and English and bears the title, Communication with the Spirit-World: Its Laws and Its Purpose.” (Page 15, ¶ 2, 3) In keeping with his Roman Catholic extraction Greber’s translation is bound with a gold-leaf cross on its stiff front cover. In the Foreword of his aforementioned book ex-priest Greber says: “The most significant spiritualistic book is the Bible.” Under this impression Greber endeavors to make his New Testament translation read very spiritualistic.

It would appear that the Watchtower Society rightfully, disapproves of Johannes Greber and his reliance on spirit mediums and his two books. Agree?

NOT SO FAST---- Fast fwd- 1962
This is the first time where the Watchtower used Johannes Greber in their publications in a POSITIVE LIGHT.
Now, they are actually using him to SUPPORT their Watchtower teachings & NWT.
Just a year earlier they were exposing him as a Spiritist admitting that he was Channelling Spirits to make his bible translation, very spiritualistic.
Now they are doing what they accused the Catholics of doing

QUOTE~
The Watchtower 1962- September 15, p 554, par. 5- "The Word - Who is He? According to John"

But most controversial of all is the following reading of John 1:1, 2: “The Word was in the beginning, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This Word was in the beginning with God.” This reading is found in The New Testament in An Improved Version, published in London, England, in 1808. Similar is the reading by a former Roman Catholic priest: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This was with God in the beginning. Everything came into being through the Word, and without it nothing created sprang into existence.” (John 1:1-3)* Alongside that reading with its much-debated expression “a god” may be placed the reading found in The Four Gospels—A New Translation, by Professor Charles Cutler Torrey, second edition of 1947, namely: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was god. When he was in the beginning with God all things were created through him; without him came no created thing into being.” (John 1:1-3) Note that what the Word is said to be is spelled without a capital initial letter, namely, “god.”
Footnote: The New TestamentA New Translation and Explanation Based on the Oldest Manuscripts, by Johannes Greber (a translation from German into English), edition of 1937, the front cover of this bound translation being stamped with a golden cross.
AND They didn't stop there.----

The Watchtower continuously quoted Johannes Greber to support their John 1:1 (a god) and others in the following Book publications. Notice the years are all AFTER they knew he was involved in the occult------
1965
- QUOTE~
1965- Make Sure of All Things- under "Trinity', pg 489
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
-The New Testament- ( a translation from German into English 1937), by Johannes Greber

AND Yet Again - 1971 QUOTE
A translation by a former Roman Catholic priest, Johannes Greber (1937 ed.) renders the second appearance of the word “god” in the sentence as “a god.” Aid To Bible Understanding. 1971 p. 1669
 

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Again 1971-
This time it's to support- Matt 27:51-53

AID TO BIBLE UNDERSTANDING, p. 1134
Tombs Opened at Jesus Death
The translation by Johannes Greber
(1937) of these verses reads as follows: “Tombs were laid open, and many bodies of those buried were tossed upright. In this posture they projected from the graves and were seen by many who passed by the place on their way back to the city.”

AGAIN 1975-
The Watchtower-1975- October 15 p. 640 Questions From Readers
Thus the translation by Johannes Greber (1937) renders these verses: “Tombs were laid open, and many bodies of those buried there were tossed upright. In this posture they projected from the graves and were seen by many who passed by the place on their way back to the city.”—Compare the New World Translation.


AGAIN 1976--
The Watchtower- 1976 Apr 15, p 231- Insight on the News
A report in the Bible, as translated by Johannes Greber, says that when Jesus died, “the earth quaked, and the rocks were shattered. Tombs were laid open, and many bodies of those buried there were tossed upright. In this posture they projected from the graves and were seen by many who passed by the place on their way back to the city.” Hence, rather than a resurrection, as some Bible translations imply, there appears to have been merely an exposure of the dead to observers, as in Guatemala.—Matt. 27:51-53.

Quote from the book-
Babylon The Great Has Fallen, God’s Kingdom Rules. 1963: p 605-606
"Because Great Babylon herself stands for the world empire of false religion with its priests clergymen, monks, nuns, astrologers, spiritists, sorcerers.
There are NUMEROUS quotes from the WTower (rightly) warning members against any form of the Occult.
It would be grounds for disfellowshipping and total shunning.
They are taught not to even touch something associated with the occult, such as Mr. Greber's BOOKS.
Let alone purchase them, read them, and believe and quote them.
For example, in their reference work
Insight on the Scriptures they say:

It, therefore, logically follows that any claimed communication ... [with spirits] ... must be from an evil source that stands in opposition to Jehovah God. The Bible clearly indicates that wicked spirits, demons, are this evil source.



Several former Jws and on the fence Jws began to question the Society in letters about quoting the Spiritist Greber
That likely spawned this- -


Questions From Readers The Watchtower 1983 April 1 p. 31
Why, in recent years, has The Watchtower not made use of the translation by the former Catholic priest, Johannes Greber?

This translation was used occasionally in support of renderings of Matthew 27:52, 53 and John 1:1, as given in the New World Translation and other authoritative Bible versions. But as indicated in a foreword to the 1980 edition of The New Testament by Johannes Greber, this translator relied on “God’s Spirit World” to clarify for him how he should translate difficult passages. It is stated: “His wife, a medium of God’s Spirit world was often instrumental in conveying the correct answers from God’s Messengers to Pastor Greber.” The Watchtower has deemed it improper to make use of a translation that has such a close rapport with spiritism. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) The scholarship that forms the basis for the rendering of the above-cited texts in the New World Translation is sound and for this reason does not depend at all on Greber’s translation for authority. Nothing is lost, therefore, by ceasing to use his New Testament.
If you have read this you know that is a LIE & A HYPOCRITICAL LIE -They knew for at least 25 years!
See 1955 Quote~
Yet, they insisted on quoting the occult in their books and magazines.
and.. this doesn't end here. It keeps going..

The Johannes Greber Memorial Foundation provided a photo-copy of a letter from the Watchtower Society acknowledging receipt of not only several of his New Testaments, but also Greber’s book Communication with the Spirit World of God.
On December 20, 1980 The Watchtower sent a letter to The Johannes Greber Foundation in Teaneck NJ, thanking them for their brand spanking new copies of "Communication with the Spirit World of God" and "The
New Testament by Johannes Greber" and in it they said they know the books are hard to come by, so could they please obtain a few more copies of "The New Testament by Johannes Greber"? SEE POST #34 for PHOTO-COPY OF THIS LETTER

In Sept 1981--
After that letter above was received by The Greber Foundation a Jw sent her own letter to the WatchTower asking if they could please help with how she could obtain a copy of Greber's New Testament-
The Watchtower replied with a wrong address in NY and said that they don't keep anything up to date for them. Sorry!

**I have copies of those two letters, and I also own 2 of the books where the above WT quotes are found.

Doctrines of demons. No wonder Jws live in fear of demons.
Due to pressure- In 1984 the Watchtower ceased from quoting Johannes Greber. The teachings, however are the same and the lies remain.
 
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Next, the list of similar teachings from Greber's book on Spirtitism--& Jws. DISTURBING & No coincidence.


When Greber’s spirit-channelled doctrines are compared with those of the Watchtower Society, the similarity is striking.
Listed below is a comparison between these doctrines and those of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
It's important to keep a few things in mind as you read these comparisons.
First, these were not Greber’s opinions or beliefs, but are those from the spirits that He communicated with through chanelling.

T
he Watchtower Society rightly teaches the Bible’s condemnation of such communication with spirits as contact with demons.

Secondly, keep in mind that Greber was originally a Roman Catholic priest, and therefore held beliefs in harmony with those taught by major orthodox denominations of Christianity which the Watchtower Society condemns as originating with Satan.
It's worth considering why the demons with whom Greber communicated would want to “enlighten” him by teaching him doctrines which the Watchtower Society is now distributing as “meat in due season”,

i.e., Biblical truths taught by the men of their Governing Body aka anointed leaders ..

In this list, Greber’s spirit doctrines are preceded by JG, and the Watchtower’s teachings by WT.
The Greber quotes are all taken from Communication with the Spirit World: Its Laws and Its Purpose, unless otherwise stated.



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God Is Not Omnipresent

JG: Inasmuch as God possesses shape and personality, He is not omnipresent ... as a personified spirit He is not everywhere. (p.261)

WT: The true God is not omnipresent, for he is spoken of as having a location. (Insight on the Scriptures p.969)
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God Is Not Omniscient

JG: When I tell you that God has no foreknowledge of the voluntary actions of men, I am not detracting from His greatness. ... such unerring foreknowledge is possessed by no spirit, nor by God Himself. (p. 263,265)

WT: Jehovah has the ability to foreknow events, but the Bible shows that he makes selective and discretionary use of that ability ... (Reasoning from the Scriptures p.141)

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Scriptures To Use- Christ Is Not God

JG: You see how illogical it is for your [Greber’s] former religion to base its contention of the Divinity of Christ upon the phrase: “I and the Father are one”, in the face of the fact that the same oneness that exists between them is promised to all who believe. (p. 333)

WT: This charge of blasphemy arose as a result of Jesus having said, “I and the Father are one.” (Joh 10:30) ... this did not mean that Jesus claimed to be the Father or to be God ... ((Insight on the Scriptures Vol. 2 p.54)
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JG: After His resurrection, Christ said: “I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God. (John 20:17) (p. 364)

WT: He taught men, not to worship him, but to worship Jehovah his Father ... “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God.” (Make Sure of All Things p.283)
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JG: Again, nothing is known by the Son of the Day of Judgement, the knowledge of which is God’s alone: “The day and the hour of fulfillment are known to no one, neither the angels of heaven, nor to the Son, but to my Father alone.” (Matt 24:36)

WT: Also, Jesus explained that there were some things that neither he nor the angels in heaven knew, but that only God knew (Mark 13:32) (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth p. 39)
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Christ Did Not Rise Bodily From The Dead

JG: Not even of Christ was the natural body raised. (p.385)WT: Jesus Christ was spoken of as “the first resurrected from the dead.”(Acts 26:23) This means he was the first to be resurrected of those who would not have to die again. Also, he was the first to be raised as a spirit person. (Paradise on Earth pg. 172)

WT: After Jesus was buried in the tomb, Jehovah dissolved his body into gasses and it disappeared forever. (WT 09/01/53 p. 518; Time..Hand p. 129).
 
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Christ’s Post-Resurrection Appearances Were Materializations

JG: Materialized in human form, Christ appeared to those who had been closest to Him in life ... The fact Christ after his death upon earth appeared to his followers in material form has led you to the erroneous conclusion that His spirit re-entered His former physical body. In reality He made Himself visible in the same manner in which all spirits do so, namely by materialization of his spiritual body. (p. 351, 387)


WT: Jesus Christ ... his resurrection was “in the spirit,” to life in heaven. .... However, for 40 days after his resurrection Jesus appeared to his disciples on different occasions in various fleshly bodies, just as angels had appeared to men of ancient times. ((Insight on the Scriptures Vol. 2 p.786)

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Doctrines About the Trinity

The Trinity is a Human Creation


JG: You teach the union of three persons in one Godhead ... This is a piece of human fallacy and is an absurdity. (p.265) ... Christ taught a unipersonalist God ... He knows of no triune God of Whom the Catholic and other Christian denomonations teach. Only the Father is God. (p. 364)

WT: The reason the Bible does not clearly teach the Trinity doctrine is simple: It is not a Bible teaching. Had God been a Trinity, he would surely have made it clear so that Jesus and his disciples could have taught it to others. And that vital information would have been included in God’s inspired Word. It would not have been left to imperfect men to struggle with centuries later. (Watchtower 11/1/91 p.23)

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Doctrines About Hell

JG: A doctrine to which you cling with astonishing tenacity ... is that of an “eternal Hell.” ... This is a wholly mistaken, manmade idea. ... there is no authority in the bible to support your inhuman and untrue doctrine of an everlasting Hell. (p. 377, 379)

WT: Did Almighty God create such a place of torment? ... If the idea of roasting people in fire had never come into God’s heart, does it seem reasonable that he created a fiery hell for thse who do not serve him? (Paradise on Earth p.81)
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Questions for Jehovah’s Witnesses

•Why would an organization that believes the Bible’s warnings about mediums, seances, and spiritism use a translation written by a spiritist to support its own Bible translation ? Why would the Watchtower Society knowingly embrace a translation of John 1:1 given by demonic spirits?

• Are doctrines of demons of Jehovah God? Was the "faithful slave" honest with you? Does God lie?

•Why would demons try to convince Greber that his beliefs were wrong, and convert him these doctrines, when Greber’s beliefs were those of apostate Christendom to begin with?

•Should you associate with an organization whose teachings agree with those taught by demons?


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Now, For a few others who are ALSO quoted by the Watchtower as support for John 1:1 " a god"

They are not without support for this translation, however, but let's take a closer look at the precedents for translating, “and the Word was a god.” Devil is in the details?
Johannes Greber's New Testament obviously set a precedent for the Jehovah’s Witnesses, and their rendering of John 1:1 is almost identical.

Continuing on with the precedents for translating John 1:1 “…and the Word was a god,”

2)
We also find the Watchtower Society quoting on page 5 of The Word Who is He? According to John: “This reading is also found in the New Testament in an Improved Version, published in London, England in 1808.”
But, We are directed to a footnote which reads, “The title page reads ‘The New Testament in An Improved Version, upon the basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation with a Corrected Text, and Notes Critical and Explanatory. Published by a Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge and the Practice of Virtue, by the Distribution of Books—Unitarian.’”


Yes, the key word above is “Unitarian.” This is a teaching that Jesus was just an extraordinarily good man, nothing more.
Mr. Thomas Belsham, after Archbishop Newcome’s death, altered his text. He admitted to it. [See page 394, Manual of Biblical Bibliography.]

This altered text dishonoring Archbishop Newcome’s careful scholarship also provided a basis for the New World Translation’s “…and the Word was a god.” (see also the Kingdom Interlinear Translation, page 1160, 1969 ed.)
Why would the Watchtower use as their guide a cult denying the biblical Christ, and guilty of altering a reputable biblical text?
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A 3RD precedent for translating John 1:1,”…and the Word was a god” comes from the
3) Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson. His translation actually reads “the LOGOS was God.” But he placed the words “a god” under “theos” in the Greek and English.

Mr. Wilson never studied biblical Greek in college. He was a follower of John Thomas, a proven false prophet by biblical definition, and the founder of the Christadelphians, a Christ-dishonoring cult.

Yes, the “precedents” for translating John 1:1 “…and the Word was a god” crumble away under close and honest scholarship.

Why would the Watchtower Society CHOOSE precedents that are false and even demonic? Why do they CHOOSE to ignore Greek Scholars who are reputable?



4) A Johnny come lately is- Jason Beduhn- Northern Arizona University ( in his book, Truth in Translation) whom the Watchtower is tickled to quote for John 1:1. word was divine or a god. Mr Beduhn's book speaks about bias. Yet, he is not without bias himself. I spoke with him directly on CARM. He believes that the Word was an "it". quote-

"How does God create in Genesis? He speaks words that make things come into existence. So the Word is God's creative power and plan and activity. It is not God himself, but it is not really totally separate from God either. It occupies a kind of ambiguous status."
Beduhn is a nice man and there are plenty of debates online to read between him and others. Grammatically, it technically could be translated either way. We need to look at context and I believe John 1:3 helps do that.

can also look to Apostolic Father's writings where it's quoted often, and the context is clearly not " a god" or "divine". - Simply impossible.

6) Abner Kneeland--
He had been a Universalist pastor-Kneeland became a freethinker and pantheist, saying that the Universalist's Christian God was "nothing more than a chimera of their own imagination".
He later denounce all 4 gospels as untrue.

Ok - if you made it this far- Congratulations joy:
If you are a Jw and made it this far, I salute you, and ask you to please prayerfully question all things you have been taught. Do not be afraid- Just pray for His Truth.
Interesting side note- The Jws did worship Jesus until 1954.

If you are weary of Jws- print this out and show them.
Please bump it often ? It is very important.

 
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These people are so deceived. This film was written and directed by a former Jehovah's Witness.

Pearl,
I'm not sure what year that movie was made, but wow- this is like what happened to her. awful. This was one year ago.

 

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Pearl,
I'm not sure what year that movie was made, but wow- this is like what happened to her. awful. This was one year ago.

I met a guy on one of these Christian site who was an ex JW. He had been friends with a non JW couple who became born again. He wasn't supposed to have anything to do with them because of that but he visited them and knew they had something different, he could sense the Holy Spirit so he quit the JWs for Jesus.
 
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Pearl,
I'm not sure what year that movie was made, but wow- this is like what happened to her. awful. This was one year ago.

It is so evil how the Watchtower dictators rule the people through fear.

There is another film with Emma Thompson as a lawyer fighting in the courts to stop JW parents preventing their sick son from getting a blood transfusion to save his life.
 

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I met a guy on one of these Christian site who was an ex JW. He had been friends with a non JW couple who became born again. He wasn't supposed to have anything to do with them because of that but he visited them and knew they had something different, he could sense the Holy Spirit so he quit the JWs for Jesus.
Unknown to Jws that IS the very reason they forbid associating with us. It scares the heck out of them to think a Jw could come to Christ. That is the devil to them! Hard to believe but is the absolute truth.
We aren't fighting here against flesh and blood..
 
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It is so evil how the Watchtower dictators rule the people through fear.

There is another film with Emma Thompson as a lawyer fighting in the courts to stop JW parents preventing their sick son from getting a blood transfusion to save his life.
the link doesn't work. have the title? (the children act?)
 

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I can't even begin to get my head around this. If you know how your church handled this let me know. I didnt even hear about it from my church at the time because it was all donated. We take care of our own.- My daughter's church delivered several boxes to elderly church members and donated the rest to the needy. Some churches advertised via social media to the needy to come pick up- other churches delivered directly to those in need in their area. Others directed all of it to sister churches in poor areas, to their local food pantries,- wherever there was a need.

"Under the Trump administration due to covid in May of 2020 and ended in May of 2021- The USDA Farmers to Families Food Program began in May of 2020 and ended in May of 2021 having distributed more than 173 million food boxes of fresh produce, milk, dairy, cooked meats and seafood worth over $5 billion to Americans across the country. The program was designed and implemented as a temporary, emergency relief effort to respond to severe market disruption caused by a global pandemic. Distributors then packaged these products into family-sized boxes and transported them to;
food banks, community and faith-based organizations, and other non-profits serving Americans in need."


Inside each box was a letter from President Trump-
Not only did the JW Watchtower Society REMOVE the letters from President Trump from inside the food boxes for the needy- and REPLACE it with their OWN letter taking credit for this "free food"- they also donated nothing to the needy. They gave out these boxes only to JW members regardless of any need.
To top all lof that off, they actually took donations from members- (it was suggested by many elders to just give what you would have spent on groceries!) That money went to the Watchtower Society.
Let that sink in. --
My own siblings all received these boxes from 3 different kingdung halls- all of them were fully convinced that this food was a gift from their leaders at the Watchtower.
Do I have proof? I always do, so, Of course I do.

See WTBS letter below, then Trump's letter, then video and link to Food program.jehovahs-disaster-reilef-covid-letter-september-2020-v3-1860x0-c-default.jpg
 

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I can't even begin to get my head around this. If you know how your church handled this let me know. I didnt even hear about it from my church at the time because it was all donated. We take care of our own.- My daughter's church delivered several boxes to elderly church members and donated the rest to the needy. Some churches advertised via social media to the needy to come pick up- other churches delivered directly to those in need in their area. Others directed all of it to sister churches in poor areas, to their local food pantries,- wherever there was a need.

"Under the Trump administration due to covid in May of 2020 and ended in May of 2021- The USDA Farmers to Families Food Program began in May of 2020 and ended in May of 2021 having distributed more than 173 million food boxes of fresh produce, milk, dairy, cooked meats and seafood worth over $5 billion to Americans across the country. The program was designed and implemented as a temporary, emergency relief effort to respond to severe market disruption caused by a global pandemic. Distributors then packaged these products into family-sized boxes and transported them to;
food banks, community and faith-based organizations, and other non-profits serving Americans in need."


Inside each box was a letter from President Trump-
Not only did the JW Watchtower Society REMOVE the letters from President Trump from inside the food boxes for the needy- and REPLACE it with their OWN letter taking credit for this "free food"- they also donated nothing to the needy. They gave out these boxes only to JW members regardless of any need.
To top all lof that off, they actually took donations from members- (it was suggested by many elders to just give what you would have spent on groceries!) That money went to the Watchtower Society.
Let that sink in. --
My own siblings all received these boxes from 3 different kingdung halls- all of them were fully convinced that this food was a gift from their leaders at the Watchtower.
Do I have proof? I always do, so, Of course I do.

See WTBS letter below, then Trump's letter, then video and link to Food program.View attachment 49053
Robert Hendriks, U.S. spokesman for the Jehovah’s Witnesses, confirmed that branches had circulated the letter with some boxes during the program’s early weeks.. “The wording here does not exactly represent necessarily what we have directed to our disaster relief committees,” Hendriks said.
When asked if the organization was distributing to Jehovah’s Witnesses only, Hendriks said that the organization also delivers food boxes to non-believers.

OK-Let's unravel what Mr Hendricks said-
The wording doesnt exactly represent what we wanted to be found out. OR are the brothers and member branches liars?
Remember, the WTBS has a long history of blaming members when they are caught with their pants down. 1975 end of the world PROPHECY is just one example. He didnt deny the letter.
Next- "distributed also to non- believers . LIE.-- Remember that they were told to keep this confidential- -- It was a secret! My brother admitted that much.
A JW who had another person in their house who was not a Jw is considered an unbeliever. So yeah.. like that counts
Would be Hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
As if that wasn't bad enough- The Watchtower made a profit off of food for the POOR from their own members..
It's kind of like a pyramid scheme.