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Good morning, Dan. But for what we understand, Why Not?

Love, Walter
I have quoted both above posts, because the latter causes need for correction:

The law of Moses was specifically given to Israel for a time, was "the law of sin and death" (Romans 8:2).

But when death came in Christ, the law of sin and death was fulfilled. Meaning, going forward, the law was not one of sin unto death, but one of salvation unto life. Therefore Christ came preaching and teaching, that one must be "born again also of the spirit of God"; what "the kingdom of heaven is like..."; that He would send the Holy Spirit fulfilling the prophecy of Joel--which was to "all flesh"--meaning unto the combined "all" of Israel and all other nations--the gentiles.

Thus, the law of sin and death given to Israel through Moses, was--not destroyed, but fulfilled: “Death is swallowed up in victory” (1 Corinthians 15:54).
 

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I have quoted both above posts, because the latter causes need for correction:

The law of Moses was specifically given to Israel for a time, was "the law of sin and death" (Romans 8:2).

But when death came in Christ, the law of sin and death was fulfilled. Meaning, going forward, the law was not one of sin unto death, but one of salvation unto life. Therefore Christ came preaching and teaching, that one must be "born again also of the spirit of God"; what "the kingdom of heaven is like..."; that He would send the Holy Spirit fulfilling the prophecy of Joel--which was to "all flesh"--meaning unto the combined "all" of Israel and all other nations--the gentiles.

Thus, the law of sin and death given to Israel through Moses, was--not destroyed, but fulfilled: “Death is swallowed up in victory” (1 Corinthians 15:54).
Thank You ScottA, Love, Walter
 

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Good morning, Dan. But for what we understand, Why Not?

Love, Walter
Because the Law is a single commandment to be kept, "Do all I say", was God's word to Israel, and they replied, we will. And very plainly we cannot keep the Law. There is no temple. There are no Levites. The Law cannot be kept.

If you are of the mind to say, I'll keep those parts I can, you have then created your own Law, drawn from portions of God's Law. But you are not keeping God's Law.

The Law only condemns because it requires absolute obedience. When you say, I'll keep those parts that I can, but not those parts that I cannot, such as tithing to Levites, you reinforce that it can only condemn, because you've broken the Law. Jesus spoke of "the Law and the Prophets", all of this was God's commandment to Israel, "Do all I say".

We are to walk in the Spirit and in this way govern our lives, not but adopting parts of God's covenant with Israel as though it were ours, as though we were not in Christ.

Much love!
 

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Good morning, Dan. But for what we understand, Why Not?

According to what the Lord teaches us thru the writer of the Book of Galatians.... those trying to live under the law of moses are fallen from grace and are no longer saved.

I recommend that you REPENT of this error and quickly since you're pretty old and all... you could croak at any moment and living under the law of Moses during the New Covenant sends folks south for eternity ya know.
 

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Now, there is a new house, the Body of Jesus Christ! Under the New Covenant that the Lord said would come forth, we see Jesus Christ as the High Priest. The old covenant with it’s laws and regulations have been taken away because thru Jesus Christ a new and better covenant has come in to place.

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.


And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
 

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Now, there is a new house, the Body of Jesus Christ! Under the New Covenant that the Lord said would come forth, we see Jesus Christ as the High Priest. The old covenant with it’s laws and regulations have been taken away because thru Jesus Christ a new and better covenant has come in to place.

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.


And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
If you understand what you are saying, why don't you do what is pleasing in His sight?

Love, Walter
 

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Those that know the Lord and His Word... understand that in the New Covenant we live under the Law of Christ.... NOT the law of Moses.

The so called hebrew roots movement is full of deception and tricks their cult followers in to going back to live under the law of Moses forsaking the New Covenant and as such they are fallen from grace and are no longer in right standingg with the Lord as they go about establishing their own righteousness just like the

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Law of Christ

The phrase "the law of Christ" appears only in Galatians 6:2, although it is implied by the wording of 1 Corinthians 9:21 as well. In both places, its precise meaning is difficult to fix. In Galatians, Paul argues vigorously that the law given at Sinai makes no claim on those who believe in Christ, whether Gentile or Jew ( 2:15-21 ; Galatians 3:10-14 Galatians 3:23-26 ; 4:4-5 ; 4:21-5:6).

He then appeals to the Galatians to engage in ethical behavior by walking in the Spirit ( 5:16 Galatians 16 ), being lead by the Spirit ( 5:18 ), and fulfilling "the law of Christ" (ho nomos tou Christou) through bearing one another's burdens ( 6:2 ). In 1 Corinthians 9 Paul demonstrates how Christians should, out of love for the weaker brother or sister, refrain from demanding their rights.

By way of illustration Paul says in verses 19-23 that he adopts certain Jewish customs when among Jews, although he is not under the Jewish law, and that he adopts some Gentile customs when among Gentiles, although he is not without the law of God but rather "in the law of Christ" (ennomos Christou).

It seems fairly clear from these two texts that Paul uses the phrase to mean something other than the law given to Israel at Sinai and considered by most Jews to be their special possession.

Help is found in the prophets. In Isaiah 42:1-4 we read that God's chosen servant will one day establish justice throughout the earth and that "the coastlands will wait expectantly for His law" (NASB). If we take this passage to refer to the Messiah, then we could paraphrase it by saying that the Christ, when he comes, will teach God's law to the Gentiles ("the coastlands"). Jeremiah 31:31-34 similarly predicts the coming of a time in which disobedient Israel will receive a new covenant, consisting of a law written on the heart and therefore obeyed (cf. Ezek 36:26-27 ).

Jesus' teaching, although standing in continuity with the law given at Sinai, nevertheless sovereignly fashions a new law. In some instances Jesus sharpens commandments ( Matt 5:17-48 ) and in others considers them obsolete ( Mark 7:17-19 ). On one occasion, having been asked to identify the greatest commandment, Jesus concurs with the Jewish wisdom of his time ( Mark 12:32-33 ) that the greatest commandments are to love God supremely and to love one's neighbor as oneself ( Mark 12:28-31 ). He breaks with tradition, however, by defining the term "neighbor" to mean even the despised Samaritan ( Luke 10:29-37 ).

Paul believed that the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ marked the beginning point of God's new covenant ( 2 Cor 3:1-18 ; Gal 4:21-31 ; cf. Rom 8:2 ). Like Isaiah, he believed that this covenant included the Gentiles ( Gal 3:7-20 ), and like Jeremiah he believed that it offered Israel a remedy for the curse that the old Sinaitic covenant pronounced on Israel's disobedience ( Gal 3:10-13 ).

In light of this, Paul understood the teaching of Christ as a new law. If so, then the correspondence between the ethical teaching of Jesus and Paul on many points (e.g., 1 Cor 7:10-11 / Mark 10:2-9 ; 1 Cor 9:14 / Luke 10:7 ; Rom 14:1-23 / Mark 7:18-19 ) is a matter of Paul's intention rather than happy accident. Paul's own admonition to fulfill the law of Christ by bearing one another's burdens provides both a pithy restatement of Jesus' summary of the law and an indication that Jesus' teaching fulfills prophetic expectations.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
 

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According to what the Lord teaches us thru the writer of the Book of Galatians.... those trying to live under the law of moses are fallen from grace and are no longer saved.

I recommend that you REPENT of this error and quickly since you're pretty old and all... you could croak at any moment and living under the law of Moses during the New Covenant sends folks south for eternity ya know.
"... you're pretty old and all... you could croak at any moment" <--- That was completely unnecessary, and un kind. Way to love your brother- not. Don't you know the verses that say if we do not love our brothers in Christ that we are NOT God's children?
 

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"... you're pretty old and all... you could croak at any moment" <--- That was completely unnecessary, and un kind. Way to love your brother- not. Don't you know the verses that say if we do not love our brothers in Christ that we are NOT God's children?
Thank you, Sister Nancy.

Love always, Walter
 
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Love, Walter

Sorry... "google" does not have the Holy Ghost so "google" is ignorant of God's Word.

And for those embracing "AI".... it doesn't have the Holy Ghost either so it's reasoning will include packets of deception even as some of what it says appears to be true.

Thanks though for posting this... it's explains the error that you behold.

The so called hebrews roots movement ends badly... just ask the Galatians who went that way and fell from grace which is what the Lord said about them thru the Apostle Paul.