Is the BIBLE a work of CONFUSION?

[ScottA]

In a word--yes!

God confused "all language" a the Tower of Babel, even "all" of scripture. Meaning, that even the scriptures are not the end-all source of truth. Which is why we debate and interpret it all in so many ways. Please allow me to explain:

One word under confusion does not explain another under confusion. That process of using scripture against scripture, is no more profitable than the flesh. Do you understand that those are the terms set forth by God--that all the world is made manifest by--not being the Source, but a mere image? "The flesh profits nothing." Meaning: If we look only to the words of scripture, whether spoken or written--is to look to the flesh, and not fully to God.

Meanwhile, the flesh and those things made manifest, including the Word spoken or written--even from the Son of God, only points to what is actually true. Which is not to say that the Son is not God, but rather to clearly state where the truth of God is to be found. Therefore, by example, He prayed to "My God and your God."

However, all truth is not to be found in the image, or the expressed word, or in what is made manifest, but in Him who makes all things manifest. Is a revelation God? No, but a mere showing. Is Christ not also made in His image? Of course! Which is not to say that Jesus, the Son, is not God--but rather that everything we see and experience before experiencing the spirit kingdom of God, is only given on the level of flesh as compared with the Spirit.

Jesus defined the difference for us, saying, "My kingdom is not of this world." Meaning, as He is The Truth, all truth is not according to these worldly terms of the flesh. On the contrary, truth and His kingdom, is not one of words made manifest by mere images; not as words posed as questions only pointing to His kingdom. --We have questions, because the flesh sees not the things of the Spirit. Which things even He spoke of from the flesh and this world, but were like mere echoes only being heard in the world. So, what do you think, is an echo to be called the Source? No, but do not misunderstand. It is only an echo in this world--because they were first spoken by God, that it should become an echo in the world in the form of questions. By which we whom only first see what is made manifest, are first given sight, that we may know Him who is otherwise unseen of this world.

If this world as being like flesh, was then first, the questions posed by being made manifest were first given by those same terms, as "the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual." Meaning: Israel and much of the scriptures, came by the "natural" terms of this world. Which many still operate under, having somehow missed Christ's introduction and transference from things natural to spiritual. Even many born [again] of the spirit of God, remain as deaf, not hearing what the Spirit says.

"For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish...Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like..." (Galations 5:17...21).​

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And so, remaining under the terms of the flesh and of this world, we debate.

 

[Windmill Charge]

: If we look only to the words of scripture, whether spoken or written--is to look to the flesh, and not fully to God.

What you are saying is that we cannot know what is true in the bible and that is nonsense.
Do you really believe that God would allow his scribes to make a mess of writing down what he told them.

Yes people get their interpretation of scripture wrong, but that is a fault in them not with the bibe.

 

[soberxp]

In a word--yes!

God confused "all language" a the Tower of Babel, even "all" of scripture. Meaning, that even the scriptures are not the end-all source of truth. Which is why we debate and interpret it all in so many ways. Please allow me to explain:

One word under confusion does not explain another under confusion. That process of using scripture against scripture, is no more profitable than the flesh. Do you understand that those are the terms set forth by God--that all the world is made manifest by--not being the Source, but a mere image? "The flesh profits nothing." Meaning: If we look only to the words of scripture, whether spoken or written--is to look to the flesh, and not fully to God.

Meanwhile, the flesh and those things made manifest, including the Word spoken or written--even from the Son of God, only points to what is actually true. Which is not to say that the Son is not God, but rather to clearly state where the truth of God is to be found. Therefore, by example, He prayed to "My God and your God."

However, all truth is not to be found in the image, or the expressed word, or in what is made manifest, but in Him who makes all things manifest. Is a revelation God? No, but a mere showing. Is Christ not also made in His image? Of course! Which is not to say that Jesus, the Son, is not God--but rather that everything we see and experience before experiencing the spirit kingdom of God, is only given on the level of flesh as compared with the Spirit.

Jesus defined the difference for us, saying, "My kingdom is not of this world." Meaning, as He is The Truth, all truth is not according to these worldly terms of the flesh. On the contrary, truth and His kingdom, is not one of words made manifest by mere images; not as words posed as questions only pointing to His kingdom. --We have questions, because the flesh sees not the things of the Spirit. Which things even He spoke of from the flesh and this world, but were like mere echoes only being heard in the world. So, what do you think, is an echo to be called the Source? No, but do not misunderstand. It is only an echo in this world--because they were first spoken by God, that it should become an echo in the world in the form of questions. By which we whom only first see what is made manifest, are first given sight, that we may know Him who is otherwise unseen of this world.

If this world as being like flesh, was then first, the questions posed by being made manifest were first given by those same terms, as "the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual." Meaning: Israel and much of the scriptures, came by the "natural" terms of this world. Which many still operate under, having somehow missed Christ's introduction and transference from things natural to spiritual. Even many born [again] of the spirit of God, remain as deaf, not hearing what the Spirit says.

"For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish...Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like..." (Galations 5:17...21).​

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And so, remaining under the terms of the flesh and of this world, we debate.

The Holy Spirit is full of peace. The flesh is full of revenge.

Have you ever seen the revenge of Jesus Christ?

 

[ScottA]

What you are saying is that we cannot know what is true in the bible and that is nonsense.
Do you really believe that God would allow his scribes to make a mess of writing down what he told them.

Yes people get their interpretation of scripture wrong, but that is a fault in them not with the bibe.

No, sorry for the misunderstanding.

The Bible (scripture) is true. It is just not the finished work of God.

The natural comes first and then the spiritual. Which is to say, the spoken and written words of scripture is to the natural and this world, while the spirit is to God and the kingdom. Meaning, again, the Bible is true, but elementary compared with the transfer of knowledge from God in spirit--which is what Jesus demonstrated with His question of who people said that He was. To which He explained that His church would not be built by the natural, worldly standards of flesh and blood, or even what is written--but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

 

[ScottA]

The Holy Spirit is full of peace. The flesh is full of revenge.

Have you ever seen the revenge of Jesus Christ?

What the world experiences is not revenge from God, but Judgement, Justice, Grace and Blessing.

 

[soberxp]

No, sorry for the misunderstanding.

The Bible (scripture) is true. It is just not the finished work of God.

The natural comes first and then the spiritual. Which is to say, the spoken and written words of scripture is to the natural and this world, while the spirit is to God and the kingdom. Meaning, again, the Bible is true, but elementary compared with the transfer of knowledge from God in spirit--which is what Jesus demonstrated with His question of who people said that He was. To which He explained that His church would not be built by the natural, worldly standards of flesh and blood, or even what is written--but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

I know what you mean. The Bible is written from a flesh of human perspective, Because that's as far as the flesh can take it in the OT,
But NT is not like this anymore,the word of God became the flesh which is Jesus Christ,
How Jesus Christ picked up the cross, so should we.

 

[Lambano]

If it was simple, understandable, and coherent, what would we have to argue about here?

 

[ScottA]

I know what you mean. The Bible is written from a flesh of human perspective, Because that's as far as the flesh can take it in the OT,
But NT is not like this anymore,the word of God became the flesh which is Jesus Christ,
How Jesus Christ picked up the cross, so should we.

Another way to put it, is: The spoken or written word is to mankind (flesh and blood), as the spirit is to God.

 

[ScottA]

If it was simple, understandable, and coherent, what would we have to argue about here?

My intention in expressing the difference between the spoken and written word, and the spiritual word (both being from God), is that we take care not to set a limit on God and attribute the greatest communication from God as being scripture or language--which He has confused (evidenced by our own misinterpretation and yes, arguing). Because God himself then also attributed with clarification, that the spiritual word (from Him) is not confused, but is pure and perfect and the finish, and was to come after that which was first spoken and written among flesh and blood.

 

[Windmill Charge]

The Bible (scripture) is true. It is just not the finished work of God.

The bible is the finished work of God as his written word for man.

Jesus's cry on the cross, " It is Finished. " told us he had done everything that needed to be done for our salvation.

We still have to repent and recieve salvation.
We still need to show our love for Jesus by our obedience.
We still need to study scripture, to pray for wisdom and understanding.
We still need to listen for God speaking to us.

But there are no more general revelations from God, we have all we need, God may speak to individuals but they are for those individuals.

Those who claim the bib.e is not finished are like the jw's Mormons, scientologist, monies etc who have been deluded by Satan.

 

[David Lamb]

In a word--yes!

God confused "all language" a the Tower of Babel, even "all" of scripture. Meaning, that even the scriptures are not the end-all source of truth. Which is why we debate and interpret it all in so many ways. Please allow me to explain:

One word under confusion does not explain another under confusion. That process of using scripture against scripture, is no more profitable than the flesh. Do you understand that those are the terms set forth by God--that all the world is made manifest by--not being the Source, but a mere image? "The flesh profits nothing." Meaning: If we look only to the words of scripture, whether spoken or written--is to look to the flesh, and not fully to God.

Meanwhile, the flesh and those things made manifest, including the Word spoken or written--even from the Son of God, only points to what is actually true. Which is not to say that the Son is not God, but rather to clearly state where the truth of God is to be found. Therefore, by example, He prayed to "My God and your God."

However, all truth is not to be found in the image, or the expressed word, or in what is made manifest, but in Him who makes all things manifest. Is a revelation God? No, but a mere showing. Is Christ not also made in His image? Of course! Which is not to say that Jesus, the Son, is not God--but rather that everything we see and experience before experiencing the spirit kingdom of God, is only given on the level of flesh as compared with the Spirit.

Jesus defined the difference for us, saying, "My kingdom is not of this world." Meaning, as He is The Truth, all truth is not according to these worldly terms of the flesh. On the contrary, truth and His kingdom, is not one of words made manifest by mere images; not as words posed as questions only pointing to His kingdom. --We have questions, because the flesh sees not the things of the Spirit. Which things even He spoke of from the flesh and this world, but were like mere echoes only being heard in the world. So, what do you think, is an echo to be called the Source? No, but do not misunderstand. It is only an echo in this world--because they were first spoken by God, that it should become an echo in the world in the form of questions. By which we whom only first see what is made manifest, are first given sight, that we may know Him who is otherwise unseen of this world.

If this world as being like flesh, was then first, the questions posed by being made manifest were first given by those same terms, as "the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual." Meaning: Israel and much of the scriptures, came by the "natural" terms of this world. Which many still operate under, having somehow missed Christ's introduction and transference from things natural to spiritual. Even many born [again] of the spirit of God, remain as deaf, not hearing what the Spirit says.

"For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish...Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like..." (Galations 5:17...21).​

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And so, remaining under the terms of the flesh and of this world, we debate.

But when God confused language at Babel, we are told how He confused. it. Before, everybody had spoken the same language. At Babel, He caused them to speak different languages. The builders of the tower could no longer cooperate, because they couldn't understand each other's speech. It was only once there were groups of people speaking each language that things got sorted out. Certainly by the time of the writing of people like Moses, the Hebrew language was not a confused language spoken only by one or two people. I thinks it is therefore going too far to say that the languages used in Scripture were confused in the same way as language at Babel.

 

[ScottA]

The bible is the finished work of God as his written word for man.

Jesus's cry on the cross, " It is Finished. " told us he had done everything that needed to be done for our salvation.

We still have to repent and recieve salvation.
We still need to show our love for Jesus by our obedience.
We still need to study scripture, to pray for wisdom and understanding.
We still need to listen for God speaking to us.

But there are no more general revelations from God, we have all we need, God may speak to individuals but they are for those individuals.

Those who claim the bib.e is not finished are like the jw's Mormons, scientologist, monies etc who have been deluded by Satan.

Yes, "his written word" is finished. That is, except for the parts that were "sealed" and "restrained", and only to be finished with "the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets" before the sounding of the seventh angel.

 

[ScottA]

But when God confused language at Babel, we are told how He confused. it. Before, everybody had spoken the same language. At Babel, He caused them to speak different languages. The builders of the tower could no longer cooperate, because they couldn't understand each other's speech. It was only once there were groups of people speaking each language that things got sorted out. Certainly by the time of the writing of people like Moses, the Hebrew language was not a confused language spoken only by one or two people. I thinks it is therefore going too far to say that the languages used in Scripture were confused in the same way as language at Babel.

If "all language" were not still confused, it would be evident by us all translating and understanding the scriptures the same way. But on the contrary, "all language" still being confused is evidenced by the lack thereof.

 

[Ritajanice]

I think the Bible does confuse a lot of people.

Thankfully when I became Born Again..there wasn’t a Bible in sight...the Spirit testified with my spirit that I am Gods child...Spirit gives birth to spirit....that’s going to confuse a lot of people as well...LOL.

Scripture verses don’t regenerate our spirit...the Living Spirit can only do that supernatural act...

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God.

spirit children we are..that’s how we communicate with our Spirit Father.

 

[Ritajanice]

If "all language" were not still confused, it would be evident by us all translating and understanding the scriptures the same way. But on the contrary, "all language" still being confused is evidenced by the lack thereof.

Amen!.....well said....Brother!

 

[ScottA]

I think the Bible does confuse a lot of people.

Thankfully when I became Born Again..there wasn’t a Bible in sight...the Spirit testified with my spirit that I am Gods child...Spirit gives birth to spirit....that’s going to confuse a lot of people as well...LOL.

Scripture verses don’t regenerate our spirit...the Living Spirit can only do that supernatural act...

Yes, my own salvation/born again experience was without a Bible. But a week later I just happened to be ( wink, wink) staying in my brother's spare room, and was drawn to a Bible on the shelf--which I then read from cover to cover over the following week. All things are possible with God!

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, my own salvation/born again experience was without a Bible. But a week later I just happened to be ( wink, wink) staying in my brother's spare room, and was drawn to a Bible on the shelf--which I then read from cover to cover over the following week. All things are possible with God!

Soon as I become Born Again....I went out straight away and bought a Bible.....

Praise God, that he sent Jesus to that cross....our way back to be reunited with our Father God...mind Blowing isn’t it?.....after 33 years, I still can’t believe that I’m God’s child...I thank him every day for that honour and Privilege.

 

[marks]

My intention in expressing the difference between the spoken and written word, and the spiritual word (both being from God), is that we take care not to set a limit on God and attribute the greatest communication from God as being scripture or language--which He has confused (evidenced by our own misinterpretation and yes, arguing). Because God himself then also attributed with clarification, that the spiritual word (from Him) is not confused, but is pure and perfect and the finish, and was to come after that which was first spoken and written among flesh and blood.

Amen!

2 Scriptures come to mind.

Hebrews 5:14 KJV
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

The more you do the parts you know, the more you will come to learn the parts you don't know.

2 Corinthians 3:18 KJV
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

In doing the parts we know, as this is the Lord living in us, we become as He is, seeing Him in ourselves, sharing His glory.

Much love!

 

[NotTheRock]

Do you really believe that God would allow his scribes to make a mess of writing down what he told them.

God clearly allowed mistranslations to occur. Why did God allow it?

 

[Windmill Charge]

God clearly allowed mistranslations to occur. Why did God allow it?

Man is responsible for his actions, if a scribe miss copied or a translator miss translated a passage they are responsible for there deed.

We are Christian not just because of faith but also because of the testable historical facts of Christianity.

A comparison of Bible translations reveals discrepancies, an examination of history shows the truth of Christianity.

We don't need to believe in a miraculously preserved text.