Grape Juice Makers Are Concerned After SBC Announces It Will Use Wine

[HammerStone]

http://www.christianpost.com/news/grape-juice-companies-concerned-about-profits-after-southern-baptists-announce-switch-to-wine-for-communion-136404/

 

[pom2014]

There truly is no reason to have the eucharist or communion save to have tradition for traditions sake.

It is contrary to everything the King taught.

But then that's not stopped them from doing many things against the King.

 

[lforrest]

There truly is no reason to have the eucharist or communion save to have tradition for traditions sake.

It is contrary to everything the King taught.

But then that's not stopped them from doing many things against the King.

How can you say communion is contrary to what the king taught? Aren't you aware of this command from the King? 1 Corinthians 11:24

I do not place much value on tradition, but sometimes there is a spiritual significance to it.

 

[HammerStone]

Well, do I now mention that this was an April Fools Day article by Christian Post!?

I thought it was rather hilarious, the quotes were gold!

Former SBC President Frank Page told The Christian Post he was outraged that Jester's would consider "profitcy more important than prophecy," then quickly addedthat he knows "profitcy" is not a real word, but as a Southern Baptist preacher he is required to make it rhyme.

In other interviews with CP, Southern Baptist leaders expressed mixed feelings about the change.

Current SBC President Ronnie Floyd was excited about the move. "I look forward to any change that makes communion more like the original Last Supper," he said, adding that he will also celebrate with bare, recently washed feet, and point out people who have betrayed him.

Former SBC President Fred Luter sounded more agnostic. Whenever this reporter asked him how he felt about the switch, he simply replied, "do you know Jesus?"

David Platt, president of SBC's International Mission Board, said switching to wine was a "totally radical" move, which meant, this reporter later learned, it is a good thing.

 

[River Jordan]

Heh, heh, heh....

 

[pom2014]

How can you say communion is contrary to what the king taught? Aren't you aware of this command from the King? 1 Corinthians 11:24

I do not place much value on tradition, but sometimes there is a spiritual significance to it.

You do know that one this is Paul addressing ills in the church at Corinth not the King?

Two, you know that the LAST supper was FOR the King and his closest vassals?

Third, last means they'll be no more after?

This is a tradition for traditions sake.

 

[StanJ]

I thought the same when I read the headline...The SBC using wine!

pom you're way off base, read Luke 22 and notice that 1 Cor 11 is Paul commemorating that event. If you are going to speak for the King you should know everything He said. :wacko:

 

[pom2014]

Context context context.

Do this NOW in remembrance of me.

Not over and over and over.

Paul was addressing the tradition the church had begun and how they were keeping people away from it or giving it righteous piety when they weren't being righteous.

The King never said continue to do this every Sunday or four times a year.

That is church tradition for traditions sake.

 

[StanJ]

Context context context.

Do this NOW in remembrance of me.

Not over and over and over.

Paul was addressing the tradition the church had begun and how they were keeping people away from it or giving it righteous piety when they weren't being righteous.

The King never said continue to do this every Sunday or four times a year.

That is church tradition for traditions sake.

No, the verse reads DO this in remembrance of me. It is setting a future right of the church, and as Paul also used it AFTER Jesus was gone by quoting Him in 1 Cor 11,
but saying also; "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me. For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes."
It's pretty clear this was meant to be an ongoing commemoration of the last supper, UNTIL Jesus returned.

 

[pom2014]

Whenever you drink wine think of me as I won't drink it with you again until my kingdom comes.

Not do this exact thing like a ritual.

Its like raising a glass to the departed, not the same thing every Tuesday at the pub while wearing your Manchester United cap.

You want to justify the tradition because that's the way you've be brought up. It is a physical way of being connected, I get that. But its not King commanded ritual. He gave us no rituals.

Look if you like it have at it. But don't say its straight from Jesus and give it sanctification because of a misread context.

 

[lforrest]

So then if everyone but you is mistaken about the context of those verses, what about this one?

John 6:53-58

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”

 

[StanJ]

Whenever you drink wine think of me as I won't drink it with you again until my kingdom comes.

Not do this exact thing like a ritual.

Its like raising a glass to the departed, not the same thing every Tuesday at the pub while wearing your Manchester United cap.

You want to justify the tradition because that's the way you've be brought up. It is a physical way of being connected, I get that. But its not King commanded ritual. He gave us no rituals.

Look if you like it have at it. But don't say its straight from Jesus and give it sanctification because of a misread context.

No pom it states eat this bread and drink this wine....the context is the last supper, and you're ignoring 1 Cor 11.

 

[FHII]

The proper context in 1 cor 11 is that what many call "communion" shouldn't be done at Church. What was happening is that folks who could afford to bring food and wine were having a party and not sharing. Paul said, "knock it off!" So no it shouldn't be done during a service. But it can be done at home with brethren. And should be.
I'm also going to say that every time Paul preached and every time a real man of God preaches there is communion, but it is spiritual wine and bread. But... people generally don't think in those terms.

 

[StanJ]

The proper context in 1 cor 11 is that what many call "communion" shouldn't be done at Church. What was happening is that folks who could afford to bring food and wine were having a party and not sharing. Paul said, "knock it off!" So no it shouldn't be done during a service. But it can be done at home with brethren. And should be.
I'm also going to say that every time Paul preached and every time a real man of God preaches there is communion, but it is spiritual wine and bread. But... people generally don't think in those terms.

What Paul said was that communion was NOT a social event, he didn't say it was not a church event. Whether it is done at home or at church, it is valid.

 

[JimParker]

There truly is no reason to have the eucharist or communion save to have tradition for traditions sake.

It is contrary to everything the King taught.

But then that's not stopped them from doing many things against the King.

<< There truly is no reason to have the eucharist or communion save to have tradition for traditions sake.>>

:blink: Huh???

Are you a Christian?

Do you read a Bible on a regular basis?

If so, where did you get that idea?

Just wondering because that statement reveals a serious lack of understanding as to what the Eucharist actually is.

 

[StanJ]

<< There truly is no reason to have the eucharist or communion save to have tradition for traditions sake.>>

:blink: Huh???

Are you a Christian?

Do you read a Bible on a regular basis?

If so, where did you get that idea?

Just wondering because that statement reveals a serious lack of understanding as to what the Eucharist actually is.

Are you RC?