Before the millennium God’s people are scattered, during they are gathered.

[Stewardofthemystery]

Here is another way to prove the “Amil” doctrine is false.

Before the millennium Gods people were prophesied to be scattered to all Nations, and from one corner of both heaven and earth.

At the first resurrection of the dead in Christ all of God’s saints shall be gathered together.

Matthew 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his electfrom the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:27
And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Ephesians 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

This prophecy of God gathering His people out of all of the Nations were he had scattered them goes way back, and is repeated several times in scripture.

Deuteronomy 30

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30 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,
2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.”

Ezekiel 38:8
After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.


Revelation 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Prove all things by the words of God. Peace

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Psalm 44:11
Thou hast given us like sheep appointed for meat; and hast scattered us among the heathen.

Psalm 60:1
O God, thou hast cast us off, thou hast scattered us, thou hast been displeased; O turn thyself to us again.

Jeremiah 30:11
For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

Jeremiah 31:10
Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.

Ezekiel 11:17
Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel

Ezekiel 20:34
And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out

Ezekiel 20:41
I will accept you with your sweet savour, when I bring you out from the people, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered; and I will be sanctified in you before the heathen.

Ezekiel 28:25
Thus saith the Lord God; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob.

Ezekiel 34:12
As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

Ezekiel 36:19
And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.

Isaiah 18:7
In that time shall the present be brought unto the Lord of hosts of a people scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the Lord of hosts, the mount Zion.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Zechariah 13:7
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lordof hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

Matthew 26:31
Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.

Mark 14:27
And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.

John 16:32
Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

Acts 8:1
And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.

Acts 8:4
Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.

Acts 11:19
Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

James 1:1
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

1 Peter 1:1
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

If the Amil doctrine were true all the saints would be gathered together right now. But we know they are all still scattered to the 4 corners of heaven and earth.

How can the Amils explain this Truth away?

Truth bomb….BOOM!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If the Amil doctrine were true all the saints would be gathered together right now. But we know they are all still scattered to the 4 corners of heaven and earth.

How can the Amils explain this Truth away?

Truth bomb….BOOM!

LOL!!! Why are you so naive? You STILL don't even know what amils believe. What is the excuse for your ignorance?

We, unlike you, do not interpret Revelation 20:7-9 to be talking about all the saints literally being gathered together in one place on the earth. We believe it symbolically describes the strong and active opposition to the church that occurs throughout the world during Satan's little season. Why you want to interpret everything literally within the most highly symbolic book in all of scripture is a mystery.

You expect us to believe that literally people from throughout the world who number "as the sand of the sea" will all somehow travel to once place on earth to attack all living saints who are located in one place. LOL. That is complete nonsense and will never happen. It's utterly ludicrous to think that could happen literally. Just try to think of the logistics of that. Explain to me how exactly something like that could happen literally?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

We, unlike you, do not interpret Revelation 20:7-9 to be talking about all the saints literally being gathered together in one place on the earth. We believe it symbolically describes the strong and active opposition to the church that occurs throughout the world during Satan's little season. Why you want to interpret everything literally within the most highly symbolic book in all of scripture is a mystery.

You expect us to believe that literally people from throughout the world who number "as the sand of the sea" will all somehow travel to once place on earth to attack all living saints who are located in one place. LOL. That is complete nonsense and will never happen. It's utterly ludicrous to think that could happen literally. Just try to think of the logistics of that. Explain to me how exactly something like that could happen literally?

It’s not symbolic, just like the first resurrection is not symbolic, it shall literally happen. Gods saints are literally gathered together in the promised land which God said His people would inherit forever.

Notice Gods people are gathered together (the camp of the saints) just like Rev. 20 shows….

Ezekiel 38:8-12

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8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.( as the sand of the sea)
10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.”

The Truth is greater than fiction!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It’s not symbolic, just like the first resurrection is not symbolic, it shall literally happen. Gods saints are literally gathered together in the promised land which God said His people would inherit forever.

Notice Gods people are gathered together (the camp of the saints) just like Rev. 20 shows….

Ezekiel 38:8-12​

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8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.( as the sand of the sea)
10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.”

The Truth is greater than fiction!

You're missing the symbolism in that passage, also. Your hyperliteral approach to scriptures contained in highly symbolic books is unwise. Explain the logistics again of how a number of people around the world who number "as the sand of the sea" will all travel to one place to attack "the camp of the saints"?

You are missing that Revelation 20:7-9 is parallel to passages like Revelation 16:12-16 and Revelation 19:11-21.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

You're missing the symbolism in that passage, also. Your hyperliteral approach to scriptures contained in highly symbolic books is unwise. Explain the logistics again of how a number of people around the world who number "as the sand of the sea" will all travel to one place to attack "the camp of the saints"?

The first resurrection of the dead in Christ being raised up is not symbolic. The thousand year reign of Christ on earth with His anointed saints is not symbolic. The saints literally being gathered together in the promised land is not symbolic. The armies of the world coming against the saints in the promised land is not symbolic.

Anything in the words of God that contradicts your Amil doctrine you say is symbolic. All you are doing is rejecting what the words of God clearly state in order to cling to the lies of Amil. Pathetic

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The first resurrection of the dead in Christ being raised up is not symbolic. The thousand year reign of Christ on earth with His anointed saints is not symbolic. The saints literally being gathered together in the promised land is not symbolic. The armies of the world coming against the saints in the promised land is not symbolic.

Anything in the words of God that contradicts your Amil doctrine you say is symbolic. All you are doing is rejecting what the words of God clearly state in order to cling to the lies of Amil. Pathetic

Your premil doctrine is pathetic. Your denial of the current reign of Christ is pathetic. Your denial that all believers, dead or alive, are now priests of God and of Christ and are reigning with Christ is pathetic. Your hyperliteral approach to highly symbolic books of prophetic scripture is pathetic. Your lack of willingness to address how the logistics of people who number as "the sand of the sea" all traveling to one location on earth would work is pathetic.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Your premil doctrine is pathetic.

I don’t follow the doctrines of men like you Amils do. I was taught by Jesus Christ.

Your denial of the current reign of Christ is pathetic.

If Christ were currently reigning on earth with all His anointed saints then they would all be currently gathered together in the promised land in their new glorified immortal bodies. And if Christ was currently reigning on earth with His anointed saints right now then Righteousness would also be reigning over the earth and NOT sin and wickedness. Get a clue.

Your denial that all believers, dead or alive, are now priests of God and of Christ and are reigning with Christ is pathetic.

Again you reject the words of God that prove when Christ is reigning on earth with all His anointed saints they shall all be gathered together in the promised land, not scattered to the 4 corners of heaven and earth as they are right now. Get a clue.

Your hyperliteral approach to highly symbolic books of prophetic scripture is pathetic.

What is pathetic is that the scriptures that prove Amil to be false you just call symbolic as a simple way to reject the Truth.

Your lack of willingness to address how the logistics of people who number as "the sand of the sea" all traveling to one location on earth would work is pathetic.

When you see the word as it means it is symbolic of many.

Revelation 20:8
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Notice below How God compares them like…

Ezekiel 38:8-9

King James Version

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8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.”

Do you see the word like? That is also called a similitude by comparing many people like something in nature.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don’t follow the doctrines of men like you Amils do. I was taught by Jesus Christ.

This is a ridiculous thing to say. As if you are the only premillennialist in the world. LOL. Sorry, buddy, but if Amil is a doctrine of men, then so is Premil. And I am taught by Jesus Christ as well. So, apparently, making that claim doesn't automatically mean you believe the truth. I back up my view EXTENSIVELY with scripture and you know it.

If Christ were currently reigning on earth with all His anointed saints then they would all be currently gathered together in the promised land in their new glorified immortal bodies.

You show your ignorance here. The promised land that Christians are looking forward to is the eternal new heavens and new earth, not just some piece of land in the Middle East. That is why Peter said in response to the COMPLETE destruction of the heavens and earth that will occur when the promise of Christ's second coming is fulfilled: "Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.". Your faulty understanding of 2 Peter 3:13 would habut ve Peter saying instead: "Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness AND wickedness".

You also don't understand what Abraham, Isaac and Jacob came to realize, which is that God promises His people more than the promised land that you're talking about. You are looking for the wrong promised land!

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. 11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. 13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

You are looking for the land of promise that Abraham considered "a strange country". He, Isaac and Jacob realized "they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth". They realized that God had something better in mind for them than just a piece of land in the Middle East. Which is why "now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly". That is what I desire as well. But, you, as a premil, desire something worse because you won't accept what scripture teaches.

And if Christ was currently reigning on earth with His anointed saints right now then Righteousness would also be reigning over the earth and NOT sin and wickedness. Get a clue.

Nonsense! Your carnal way of looking at things is preventing you from seeing the truth. Jesus Himself said all power and authority in heaven and earth was given to Him after His resurrection (Matthew 28:18). For you to try to demand how He use that power and authority is ludicrous! Your expectations for what the Messiah should do as King are no different than what the Pharisees expected. You think Jesus reigning means He has to be a dictator controlling everything going on in the world! Ridiculous! Nowhere does it say that Jesus would ever force people to obey Him. When has God ever done that? Never! You understand that Jesus is God, right? You expect Jesus to contradict who He is by forcing people to obey Him. That's not how God works! He never has and never will. He allows people to choose who they will serve (Joshua 24:15).

Again you reject the words of God that prove when Christ is reigning on earth with all His anointed saints they shall all be gathered together in the promised land, not scattered to the 4 corners of heaven and earth as they are right now. Get a clue.

You need to get a clue. It's clearly clueless of you to think that a number of people "as the sand of the sea" will all travel from around the world to one central geographical location! I'm supposed to believe that nonsense! No chance! The logistics of that are completely unreasonable. You are missing the symbolism there. It's talking about opposition against the church worldwide in a symbolic way. You are the one who needs to get a clue. You have to be clueless to take such a hyperliteral approach to a book like Revelation.

What is pathetic is that the scriptures that prove Amil to be false you just call symbolic as a simple way to reject the Truth.

The scriptures prove Amil to be true. Overwhelmingly. But, you twist them to make them say what you want them to say. You have mortals somehow surviving the burning up of the entire earth. You ignore John 5:28-29 that says all of the dead will be resurrected at the same coming hour. You ignore passages like Matthew 13:36-43, Matthew 13:47-50 and Matthew 25:31-46 which have all people being judged at the same time. You have proven NOTHING except that you ignore many passages that contradict your doctrine.

When you see the word as it means it is symbolic of many.

Revelation 20:8
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Notice below How God compares them like…

Ezekiel 38:8-9​

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8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.”

Do you see the word like? That is also called a similitude by comparing many people like something in nature.

LOL. What is your point here? Tell me again how all those people from around the world will all travel to Jerusalem at the same time?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

This is a ridiculous thing to say. As if you are the only premillennialist in the world. LOL. Sorry, buddy, but if Amil is a doctrine of men, then so is Premil.

I never claimed to be a premil, but you claim to be a Amil.

And I am taught by Jesus Christ as well.

No you were not, you are taught by men that is why you disagree with the Testimony of Jesus Christ.

The promised land that Christians are looking forward to is the eternal new heavens and new earth, not just some piece of land in the Middle East.

Then you reject the promise that God made to Abraham and to His seed.

You also don't understand what Abraham, Isaac and Jacob came to realize, which is that God promises His people more than the promised land that you're talking about. You are looking for the wrong promised land!

What you Amils don’t believe in is a literal thousand year reign of Gods people in the promised land for a thousand years. You say it is all symbolic! Which is contrary to multitudes of scripture.

You think Jesus reigning means He has to be a dictator controlling everything going on in the world! Ridiculous!

Your common sense should tell you when Christ is reigning on earth with all his Kings and priests that righteousness will also be reigning since Satan shall also be bound during this thousand years. But clearly your “common sense”has failed you.

It's clearly clueless of you to think that a number of people "as the sand of the sea" will all travel from around the world to one central geographical location! I'm supposed to believe that nonsense!

Again you prove you do not believe the words of God.

You are missing the symbolism there.

When you don’t believe the words of God you just call it symbolic.

It's talking about opposition against the church worldwide in a symbolic way.

The Church world wide is not ALL gathered in the land of Israel at this time are they?That is because the first resurrection of the dead in Christ has not happened yet. And this proves the millennial reign of Christ on earth has not started yet either.

The scriptures prove Amil to be true. Overwhelmingly.

I have proven it to be false by the words of God which you do not believe to be true.

LOL. What is your point here? Tell me again how all those people from around the world will all travel to Jerusalem at the same time?

The point is you do not believe the words of God.

Revelation 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I never claimed to be a premil, but you claim to be a Amil.

LOL! Are you a comedian by chance? Is that what you do for a living? This was a good joke. You are a premil whether you claim to be or not. LOL. Premil simply means you believe the thousand years occurs after Christ returns. That's what you believe. I happen to believe what those who are called Amils believe. So what? If I'm following doctrines of men, then so are you. I believe what I do because of my own study of scripture. And, of course, God doesn't reveal truth to just one person. That others agree with me doesn't mean I follow the doctrines of men any more than the fact that others agree with your view means that you follow the doctrines of men.

No you were not, you are taught by men that is why you disagree with the Testimony of Jesus Christ.

Stop being stupid. No one taught me what I believe. Scripture EXPLICITLY teaches that Jesus reigns now (Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 1:19-23, Col 1:12-13, Rev 1:5-6). And I use that truth to help interpret Revelation 20. I don't need any men to teach me this.

Then you reject the promise that God made to Abraham and to His seed.

So, you don't think Hebrews 8:11-16 is worth taking into consideration? Is that passage not in your Bible? Why are you not looking for the same thing that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Peter are looking for? Do you somehow know better than them?

What you Amils don’t believe in is a literal thousand year reign of Gods people in the promised land for a thousand years. You say it is all symbolic!

It is! The book of Revelation was purposely "signified" (Rev 1:1) which means it was purposely symbolized. It's a message that only believers can understand. But, for some reason you've decided that taken a hyperliteral approach to interpreting it is the right approach, which it clearly is not. Jesus reigns now and has been since His resurrection. Scripture says we should be looking for a heavenly country and a city whose builder and maker is God and for the new heavens and new earth, not some piece of land in Israel! Your premil doctrine contradicts much scripture, as I've shown.

Which is contrary to multitudes of scripture.

Your common sense should tell you when Christ is reigning on earth with all his Kings and priests that righteousness will also be reigning since Satan shall also be bound during this thousand years. But clearly your “common sense”has failed you.

He has been bound a long time already. Your understanding of his binding is as off base as your understanding of Christ's reign.

You think that Satan being bound results in him being completely incapacitated and unable to do anything. How do you interpret the following passage:

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

Who does the strong man respresent here? What do his good respresent? What does his house represent? Does the binding of the strong man leave him completely incapacitated?

How do you interpret this verse:

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

What do you think it means for Jesus to destroy the works of the devil. Do you believe He succeeded or has been successful in doing so?

Again you prove you do not believe the words of God.

That's a lie.

When you don’t believe the words of God you just call it symbolic.

I believe all of the words of God. Why do you act as if there is no symbolism in scripture? Especially in a book like Revelation? You are acting as if I see symbolism in scripture then I'm not believing the words of God as if all of scripture is literal. How stupid is that? Would you claim that I don't believe the words of God because I believe the beast with seven heads and ten horns is symbolic?

The Church world wide is not ALL gathered in the land of Israel at this time are they?

They never will be. According to scripture we are looking for a heavenly country, not an earthly one. And we are looking, in accordance with the promise of Christ's second coming, "for the new heavens and new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness" (2 Peter 3:13). Why do you suppose Peter said that instead of saying we are looking for the promised land in Israel in accordance with the promise of Christ's second coming? It seems that Peter had a better understanding of what we should expect to happen when Christ returns than you do.

That is because the first resurrection of the dead in Christ has not happened yet. And this proves the millennial reign of Christ on earth has not started yet either.

I do not claim that the dead in Christ have been resurrected, but according to scripture, the first resurrection was Christ's resurrection and we all spiritually have part in it.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

I have proven it to be false by the words of God which you do not believe to be true.

You have proven NOTHING except that you have torn much scripture out of your Bible such as Matthew 13:36-43, Matthew 13:47-50, Matthew 24:35-39, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 28:16-18, Luke 17:26-37, John 5:28-29, Ephesians 1:19-23, Colossians 1:12-13, 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Revelation 1:5-6 and Revelation 19:17-18.

The point is you do not believe the words of God.

Revelation 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The beloved city is the holy city, the new heavenly Jerusalem, which symbolically represents the church. So, it's talking about unbelievers around the world opposing the church worldwide. But, you don't care about interpreting scripture with scripture, so you don't know that.

Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband....9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I happen to believe what those who are called Amils believe. So what?

I looked it up, Amil started in the Catholic Church, that’s all I needed to know.

Scripture EXPLICITLY teaches that Jesus reigns now

But Jesus is not reigning on earth with all his resurrected saints in the Holy land right now, that is what defines the millennial reign in scripture.

So, you don't think Hebrews 8:11-16 is worth taking into consideration?

Gods sons shall inherit ALL things, but the millennial reign of Christ on earth along with His saints is located in the promised land. That is why when the thousand years are over that is where they are located and surrounded by the armies of the world.

But, for some reason you've decided that taken a hyperliteral approach to interpreting it is the right approach, which it clearly is not.

I have never been accused of taking a hyper literal approach by carnally minded men like yourself. It is usually the opposite I am accused of. I know how to rightly divide the natural from the spiritual by the Holy Spirit, thanks.

Jesus reigns now and has been since His resurrection.

Again, that reign on earth with all his gathered resurrected saints for a thousand years has not taken place yet. You have been deceived by that Catholic doctrine.

not some piece of land in Israel! Your premil doctrine contradicts much scripture, as I've shown.

Here is prophecy….
This prophecy of God gathering His people out of all of the Nations were he had scattered them goes way back, and is repeated several times in scripture.

Deuteronomy 30

King James Version
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30 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,
2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.”

Ezekiel 38:8
After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

He has been bound a long time already.

False, use your “common sense” and look around at the world and see all the wickedness, sin is still reigning in the world.

How do you interpret the following passage:

That has to with Christ casting Satan out of individual saints, not casting him out of the earth and binding him for a thousand years.

How do you interpret this verse:

Again that has to with individual born again saints, NOT the power of Satan to deceive the whole world. Sin is still reigning in the world, look around.

Why do you suppose Peter said that instead of saying we are looking for the promised land in Israel in accordance with the promise of Christ's second coming?

God made this promise….

Ezekiel 11:17
Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you (((the land of Israel)))

Ezekiel 20:34
And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out

Ezekiel 20:41
I will accept you with your sweet savour, when I bring you out from the people, and gather you outof the countries wherein ye have been scattered; and I will be sanctified in you before the heathen.

Ezekiel 28:25
Thus saith the Lord God; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I looked it up, Amil started in the Catholic Church, that’s all I needed to know.

LOL. That's complete nonsense. So, you believe everything you read on the Internet then? Says a lot about you. Can you try to stop being lazy and take more than a few seconds to research these things? All you have to offer is false accusations. I can barely take you seriously.

I have never been accused of taking a hyper literal approach by carnally minded men like yourself. It is usually the opposite I am accused of. I know how to rightly divide the natural from the spiritual by the Holy Spirit, thanks.

That's because for whatever reason you do use spiritual discernment in some cases. Have you forgotten that I have agreed with you on a few things? But, then you throw that all in the toilet when it comes to Revelation 20 and you interpret it how you want to instead of relying on the Holy Spirit for understanding. How can you deny that your approach to Revelation is a hyperliteral one? You assume everything written in it is literal unless it slaps you in the face and says otherwise. No discernment going on there, clearly.

The rest is not worth responding to since you are just repeating yourself at this point.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

But, then you throw that all in the toilet when it comes to Revelation 20 and you interpret it how you want to instead of relying on the Holy Spirit for understanding.

The reason you say that is because of that Amil false doctrine you follow. I can assure you by the Holy Spirit that Amil doctrine is not of the Holy Spirit, it is of carnally minded men.

But like I said before, you have been warned that a little leaven can leaven the whole lump.

 

[WPM]

The reason you say that is because of that Amil false doctrine you follow. I can assure you by the Holy Spirit that Amil doctrine is not of the Holy Spirit, it is of carnally minded men.

But like I said before, you have been warned that a little leaven can leaven the whole lump.

Yah de da de da. This is so infantile!

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Yah de da de da. This is so infantile!

How mature.;)