A Question for Jehovah's Witnesses

[The Learner]

Boss, wife is kicking me off.

 

[Behold]

That's why the Bible calls God Spirit. God doesn't a body and there aren't multiple person's who are God. John 4:24 says "God is Spirit" or if you would like to insist that God is A Spirit then we can work with that too

If you want to believe that there is no difference between God's Holy Spirit, as "God is A Spirit", vs a fake bible that says "God is spirit".. which proves that this book makes no distinction between The Devil's Spirit and God's... they you just help yourself to it. @Runningman ..

Even an unbeliever would understand this, but you are not able..

Im not surprised.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

"Jesus did not have the Holy Spirit until his water baptism in which God anointed Jesus with the Spirit and empowered him." I think you are wrong related to indwelling. Concerning empower, you are corect.

Jesus' baptism = God the father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

 

[Runningman]

If you want to believe that there is no difference between God's Holy Spirit, as "God is A Spirit", vs a fake bible that says "God is spirit".. which proves that this book makes no distinction between The Devil's Spirit and God's... they you just help yourself to it. @Runningman ..

Even an unbeliever would understand this, but you are not able..

Im not surprised.

I suspect you have some theological horse in this race and you require John 4:24 be translated differently than how the vast majority of translators have rendered it. No need to split hairs over it. Care you explain why this point is so important to you?

 

[Runningman]

Did you miss "All things were made by him"?

Colossians 1:17 , "He is before all things, and in him all things hold together".

Jesus is the glue.

What does the image of the invisible God mean?


He said, “Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God.” In other words, he is the invisible God who has come into the world, become a man, lived a human life, died a human death, risen from the dead again and gone up to heaven, where he pleads for us now, for our salvation.

The Image of the Invisible God | Colossians 1:15–23 | Gerald Bray​

thegospelcoalition.org
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org › sermon › the-image...
https://www.jesusfilm.org/blog/jesus-holds-all-things-together/
https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_holding_us_together_us
https://gracewyoming.com/the-preeminence-of-christ/
Definition:
a material image, likeness, effigy, Mt. 22:20; Mk. 12:16; a representation, exact image, 1 Cor. 11:7; 15:49; Rev. 13:14f.; resemblance, Rom. 1:23; 8:29; Col. 3:10; Heb. 10:1

Colossians 1:15

He is the image (eikōn | εἰκών | nom sg fem) of the invisible God, invisible the firstborn over all creation; εἰκών a material image, likeness, effigy, Mt. 22:20; Mk. 12:16; a representation, exact image, 1 Cor. 11:7; 15:49; Rev. 13:14f.; resemblance, Rom. 1:23; 8:29; Col. 3:10; Heb. 10:1 www.billmounce.com

One God the Father from whom "ALL" things came. That means all things didn't come from Jesus and he isn't the Creator. Jesus is the "image" of the invisible God. The only God is the Invisible God. I hope that clears it up.

1 Corinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

1 Timothy 1
17Now to the King eternal, immortal, and invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

Colossians 1
15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You,[Father] the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

 

[Behold]

I suspect you have some theological horse

I suspect that you dont care if a book says that God is spirit, vs a Bible that teaches that "God is A Spirit".

A.) The HOLY Spirit

Keep proving it. @Runningman

 

[rebuilder 454]

I forget do JW's believe Jesus and the Holy Spirit lives in them?

Whatever it is they believe, they are told to believe it.
They have to believe the watchtower workbooks and leaders, no matter what the bible says.
Even their "spontaneity" is canned and from what replies are "appropriate"
Pure cult propaganda parrots.

 

[rebuilder 454]

One God the Father from whom "ALL" things came. That means all things didn't come from Jesus and he isn't the Creator. Jesus is the "image" of the invisible God. The only God is the Invisible God. I hope that clears it up.

1 Corinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

1 Timothy 1
17Now to the King eternal, immortal, and invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

Colossians 1
15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You,[Father] the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

...but then leave out the part that he did create all things.

Yep
Pure canned propaganda anti Christ spirit denying the testimony of the word of God.

 

[Behold]

Pure cult propaganda parrots.

They are exactly like Catholics, or Mormons, or Calvinists.

They all do it.

= "stuck on repeat".

 

[rebuilder 454]

I suspect you have some theological horse in this race and you require John 4:24 be translated differently than how the vast majority of translators have rendered it. No need to split hairs over it. Care you explain why this point is so important to you?

Your "conclusions"...mental conclusions, only exist via omission of the deity of Jesus verses.
You know ...the ones your nose was stuck in a hundred times?

Keep pretending and dodging.
It is in your training for sure.

 

[Runningman]

I suspect that you dont care if a book says that God is spirit, vs a Bible that teaches that "God is A Spirit".

A.) The HOLY Spirit

Keep proving it. @Runningman

Other versions of the Bible than your preferred one aren't just a book. I think you're just demonstrating contempt for the Scriptures you disagree with.

 

[Runningman]

Your "conclusions"...mental conclusions, only exist via omission of the deity of Jesus verses.

God is always God. If God can be demonstrated to not be God then He wouldn't be God would He? So what's your workaround for all of the scriptures that disprove your assertions?

 

[Runningman]

...but then leave out the part that he did create all things.

Yep
Pure canned propaganda anti Christ spirit denying the testimony of the word of God.

There is no part to leave out. What you're saying, though worded slightly different than the scripture, is enough to change the meaning of what Colossians 1:16 says entirely. Take another look at it

God created "through" Jesus. The entire context of this passage refers to the instrumentality of Jesus in the creation of the church.

16For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him.

 

[Keiw]

I already posted some church fathers who prove otherwise. Need I post many more?

Google trinity site:newadvent.org to see hundreds of quotes before Nicea.

Catholicism own encyclopedia says-No trinity was served in a christians life prior to the end of the 4th century, and the apostolic Fathers knew nothing of God being a trinity. Guess what Catholicism was there in the 4th century. Its fact. So no church Fathers taught a trinity prior to Catholicism adding the holy spirit to a godhead of 3 in 381 ce. In the 2nd century Tertullian was considering that God might be a trinity, all the while the single being God was still being served. These are facts of reality, recorded undeniable history.