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the argument is not that the apostles didn’t know about Christs reign or “future earth changes”. The argument is they didn’t know about a future reign where the dead are resurrected and reign with Christ on earth for a literal 1000 years. I never said you had the NHNE taking place prior to the...

The view that you are putting forth here on how you interpret the scriptures, is difficult to follow. I’m honestly puzzled with your attempt at explaining how you at stringing things together. So let’s start with something simple. According to revelation 20, when does the earth and heaven...

There are multiple views represented in this forum on how to interpret the passages, each claiming their view “is not my view” but is “what is written in scripture”. Some are claiming to be spiritually minded, while calling the other carnally minded. So you’ll have to understand, I’m going to...

It’s because Peter only “hinted” at the millennium, he didn’t really know the full details yet, since the revelation had not “revealed” prior to his death……………. Not sure why Jesus would wait until after the deaths of the apostles to fully “reveal” the true chronology of the eschaton...

It's not necessarily that I can't understand what was written. It's more that I'm having a hard time following your explanation for your view on how you believe it should be understood. That's why I'm asking clarifying questions. Ok, so it seems you are saying the literal earth is forever...

Right, heaven and earth vanish AFTER the 1000 year reign according to revelation 20:11. There is no mention of heaven and earth vanishing away prior to the 1000 year reign in revelation 20. So im trying to clarify your position, as I’m still a little unclear. So heaven and earth are burned up...

lol, must have hit it accidentally when scrolling. Thanks for the heads up. Now that I read it, it makes absolutely zero sense.

Completely agree. If Peter knew about an earthly literal millennial reign, why would he only “hint” at it as @Davy said, through mentioning how God is outside of time, not being slow as some count slow to fulfill his promises? Doesn’t really make sense. I Have no idea how God being outside of...

I don’t disagree that the heaven and earth passing way is metaphorical. I can get onboard with that. But i’m having a bit of a difficult time understanding your chronology. If heaven and earth metaphorically pass away at the parousia of Christ prior to the millennium, how is this reconciled...

Some really Good points. I don’t think the epistles explicitly and clearly teach a future earthly reign prior to the NHNE , at least not that I can find but maybe our premil friends here can demonstrate otherwise? Though , Peter said he was looking forward to a NHNE in vs 13. If Peter was...

Ok, so it seems that you are saying that the destruction of the heavens and elements at the coming of Christ, as stated in Peter, Is the same sudden destruction at the coming of Christ, as stated by Paul. While the actual removal of the literal heaven/earth happen post the millennium. I guess...

unfortunately, too much talking, as they all have seem to have disagreeing and different beliefs. Right, so this is only directed at Scofield like premils, who believe the first and second resurrections only apply to the righteous and unrighteous, respectively. This doesn't really apply the...

Ok, so I reviewed Scofield's "Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth". Classic Premil, at least according to Scofield, holds that the first resurrection is to life, then around a thousand years later, the 2nd resurrection is that to damnation. Two resurrections, differing in respect of time and of...

Right, I chose one part of your argument to discuss, because I was curious as how you came to the conclusion that the phrase "no longer shall an infant die at a few days nor an old man not live out his days" should be understood "no (lo) longer shall an infant become an old man" AND the phrase...

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Premils, in general, believe in 2 resurrections separated by 1000 years. In general, it’s the first resurrection- to life (just) and 1,000 years later, after the millennium, the 2nd resurrection to judgement (unjust) So where do the converts During the millennium fit in? How can they, now...

What in the world are you talking about? When I asked why he was removing/rearranging the Hebrew words, I was talking about his paraphrase of the Hebrew. I even asked him to clarify, with this: And when WPM wouldnt address my clarifying question i responded: I asked him this because he put...

Because I was talking about A TEXTUAL VARIANT found in the OG Greek text, in regards to Daniel 7, not a paraphrase. Do you believe a paraphrase is the same thing as a textual variant? You are still not understanding. So let’s try this —> There is a textual variant in Daniel 7:13, found in...

weren’t a lot of OT prophesies only veiled expressions whose true fulfillments were revealed in the NT?

I have no problem with the word for word translation. My entire point was that I don’t agree with your paraphrase because it removes words from the translation to create different meaning. You are attempting to remove death from the passage, when death is used intentionally by the author to...