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thats ok. like to poster said, all those resources and you still get it wrong. sad.

Nope Already proved in the greek you were wrong.. yet you still ignore the facts. Like I said keep talking. the more you talk. the less respect I have for you.

So this passage says that Through Christ we exist. that Christ is the creator. Does not the bible say and God (plural) created the heavens and the earth, and in that creation came man? we need to open pour minds.. this is a complex subject. but to use a verse and say, I GOT YA. well the bibel...

you really think this? I disagree whole heartedly Yet he said he was sent by the father and the spirit (Is 48) He created the heavens and the earth. By him he spreads them out and holds them. Is 48: “Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last...

then who (what) was he?

remember, 1. God can not die. So God had to enter a human body to taste death 2. God can not sin, So God had to be fully human able to sin. 3. God can not feel physical pain. So God had to enter a human body to suffer pain 4. God can not be tempted. so God had to enter a human body to be...

so your not indwelt my Gods spirit? then how can you be a child of God

The son, left behind his attributes. and entered the human body bore By Mary, He needed to be cared for like any baby. And he had to grow in grace and truth without the abilities he left behind. To prove once and for all. God so loved the world. He would give his only son to die. so those who...

see what I mean Utterly unaware of what we believe

No if he never had the ability to sin, the fact that he had no sin would be a given..And he could not be tempted. If your going to ask a trinitarian a question. Please ask one of us. Please do not ask someone who shows over and over he does nto even understand what we believe

But your still wrong. Remember, You said you are at war with this and you were going to stand up for what you thought was truth no matter what. Logos cannot help you. Because your closed minded. logos can only help you if you open your mind.. Logos has sources from all different...

I have been growing my logo library for years also.It was my Logos library where I found the greek words and definitions which proved your idea that Jesus was telling the Jews he was greater than Abraham, not older. and totally destroyed it.

some people we just need to let talk. No need to respond when they hurt themselves. just let them keep talking

Nor would you want it

Dude, I showed to you what jesus said in the greek It is not a trinitarian or non trinitarian issue, it is just looking at the facts. The fact, You said it is how great a person was, basically Jesus saying he was greater than abraham the fact. The greek says the opposite.it speaks about one...

Your happy to talk to me, But you will not just take the greek meaning? should I listen to you. Who already said your biased, and will never change your mind (in effect) or to the defenitions of the words jesus used? I hope you forgive me if I chose to believe the language and what they mean...

Just look at the words. And tell me where i got it wrong. Tell me to exist means how great a person is or is not. it should not be too hard

We are just names here.. I was a member of a chat room once that had gender beside the name,, maybe that would help lol

No I would not..

Already looked deeper. See post 46. No personal opinion. No twisting the words. just plain and simple see what Jesus said, was he speaking about how great one was or was he speaking about who was alive first.