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  1. atpollard

    The Holy Spirit only in the church!

    ... does the phrase "if we cooperate" not call into question the Omnipotence of the Holy Spirit (part of the Godhead)? I 100% agree ... fortunately, we are not counting on a man or some water to empower the change "not performed by human hands" [Colossians 2:11], for we are "God's handiwork"...
  2. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Matthew chose the word "κόλασιν" [Thayer's Greek Lexicon] κόλασις, κολάσεως, ἡ (κολάζω), correction, punishment, penalty: Matthew 25:46; κόλασιν ἔχει,brings with it or has connected with it the thought of punishment, 1 John 4:18. Mat 25:46 [NASB] "These will go away into eternal...
  3. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Eternal punishment [Matthew 25:46] … contrasted with Eternal Life.
  4. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Ummm ... people still die. My mother died just this year, so I can tell you first hand that DEATH is still with us. What do you make of Lazarus and the Rich Man ... who had use for a "heaven or hell" even before Jesus was raised?
  5. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    I did, but you ignored it. That wasn't FOR you, it was ABOUT what you were doing.
  6. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    It was about this time that the pigs suddenly moved into the farmhouse and took up their residence there. Again the animals seemed to remember that a resolution against this had been passed in the early days, and again Squealer was able to convince them that this was not the case. It was...
  7. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    You must have a different definition of ATONEMENT ... apparently your "atonement" only involves raising corpses to receive judgement (and damnation) rather than obtaining eternal life for the people Christ Atoned for. I don't deny Christus Victor, I just think that ATONEMENT is about more than...
  8. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    How does Jesus dying to redeem the saints deny His incarnation? You are speaking foolish nonsense. I understand and disagree with Universal Atonement, but I don't make wild and unfounded claims about what my Lutheran and Wesleyan Brothers in Christ believe. I just point out the consequence...
  9. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Merriam-Webster will be disappointed to hear this. So was this just "click-bait"? Since you now claim to KNOW what it means, but just want to argue about it and convince me that I am wrong.
  10. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Then you will probably remember the scene in the book where the Pigs moved into the house and the animals went to check the rule they remembered that prohibited such a thing, but the Pigs had edited the rules (changed the past) to add "in a bed" thus creating a loophole whereby THEIR violation...
  11. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Yes, I can, but I won’t. Your original challenge was for a definition of what the term meant (provided) and an explanation of how it worked (also provided). Beating a dead horse in a pretext of changing anyone’s mind is pointless. There are many good books on Reformed Theology, I suggest the...
  12. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Have you read “Animal Farm”? (It impacts whether or not you will understand the explanation.)
  13. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Isn’t it fascinating how EVERYONE that rejects TULIP claims at least ONLE of the Doctrines is Biblical and Correct but then presents verses (typically plucked from context) to prove that the other LETTERS are non-Biblical and Incorrect … yet they seldom agree with each other about which letter...
  14. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Respectfully, I am not here to convince you of Biblical Truth (that is the job of the Holy Spirit and I am not He). You requested a definition and explanation of what the term “Limited Atonement“ meant and how it worked. I provided a definition and an explanation. You are free to disbelieve...
  15. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Revelation 7:9 DOES reference the saving of a multitude from ”every nation …” which is what the atonement ACCOMPLISHED. It is a Biblical definition of ”the world” that does not mean “every person without exception” and imply UNIVERSALISM as some definitions of “world” and “atonement” embrace.
  16. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Limited Atonement: Therefore, WE are not afraid to believe, proclaim and firmly hold that Jesus Christ came into the the world to accomplish exactly what He did accomplish … to save “a multitude which no man can number” [Revelation 7:9]. Furthermore, because of this, WE believe that every...
  17. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    … but apparently it has learned apologetics from reading “Animal Farm”.
  18. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    So Protestants are still anathema and Catholics can still buy indulgences? (While I try not to hate the church, I still find those members that behave deliberately boorish to be annoying and choose to dislike them as individuals on their own “lack of merit”. You tempt me to change my position...
  19. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    That is a strange distinction to make when I addressed my comment specifically to the NON-imutability of the RCC (that stands for Roman Catholic Church, you know ... as in the Roman/Latin Rite). I tried to present it as neutral as possible as I am not a fan of "hating" the RCC. I merely...
  20. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Nothing, I read the LAW ... it needs to go to the TEMPLE. ;)