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Thank you for the references. I remembered there was some corruption of those writings but didn’t remember the specifics. Since the apostles has to deal with apostasy in the 1st century, it’s no surprise that it existed in the second.

I don’t and would like you to explain if they don’t.

I am referring to your quote from Justin Martyr. I see that there are 3 mentioned. I just don’t see anything that proves those 3 are coequal or coeternal. It says Jesus holds a “second place” and “a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God.” I look forward to your answer (or anyone...

I am trying to be polite but yes I am serious. How does stating that Jesus is the Son of the true God and that he holds a second place support that he is coeternal or coequal? A son in second place says the opposite. It sounds very consistent with what tigger quotes Justin Martyr saying.

How does that support the trinity?

I have read that there may be some corruption with the translations of these early writers just as has been proven with the Bible itself. There are far fewer copies, especially aged ones to examine to eliminate these corruptions compared to what has been done with the Bible. Would you say this...

I am very interested in this discussion.

Does your Bible capitalize Rabbi, Father, Leader or Teacher at Matthew 23:8-10? This shows Jesus didn’t want us to use titles. In verses 1-7 he says we should avoid being like the Pharisees who drew attention to themselves with extravagant dress and lofty titles. Jesus said we should just be...

Interesting. So are you saying I have no choice to make before murdering someone, or sleeping with another man’s wife, or stealing his money. The Devil made me do it?

I have no right to choose for God. No one ever has. God gave us the ability to choose for ourselves. I’ll stick with what Moses and Joshua said under inspiration. My choice is the same as Joshua’s: “But as for me and my household, we will serve Jehovah.”

Of course. We have the ability to choose whether or not to obey his commands. That is obvious because most people choose not to.

That Jehovah created us with free will is expressed all through Scripture. What you quote from Romans 3 is drawn from Psalms 14:1-3. The reason no one was seeking after God was that there was no one who chose to do so. Deut 30:19, 20 “I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you...

Someone who claims to be a Christian should think twice about throwing the words heresy or heretic around. The word virtually drips with blood shed by both Catholics and Protestants in the not so distant past. The attitude expressed by those who use it makes me wonder if they would still burn at...

The last execution of the Inquisitions was on July 26, 1826. So you would have only needed to be born less than 200 years ago.

Here are a few translations that agree. American Standard Version “Who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped," Goodspeed “Though he possessed the nature of God, he did not grasp at equality with God," English Standard Version "Who...

The key is in the words “thought it not.” Jesus never even thought of grasping or snatching equality with God. His humility would never allow that. Now the verse fits with the context and sits in direct contradiction of the trinity instead of supporting it.

What makes it even clearer is that in Phil 2:4 Paul is talking about humility. We are to have the same humility of Jesus by thinking it is acceptable to think we are equal to God? Again, something is wrong with the translation of verse 6. Is anyone seeing a pattern yet about trinitarian “proof”...

Please read post 141 for numerous references explaining what Elohim means. Here is one example: “The noted trinitarian scholar, Robert Young, (Young’sAnalytical Concordance and Young’s Literal Translationof the Bible) wrote in his Young’s Concise CriticalCommentary, p. 1, “Heb. elohim, a...

Thank you for quoting an accurate translation of 2 Peter 1:1.

“Jesus will let us know if we have chosen wisely.” That is what it all boils down to.