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The reason I ask however, is to specifically address the likely repeat among Gentile church, that first occurred among Israel unbeknownst to the Priests and Pharisees of Jesus' first advent who failed to put the pieces of scripture and prophecy together. Do you see any comparisons?

The Law was given as, and practiced by Israel, as part of the light unto the gentiles: which was given as a living parable made manifest, that all people would come to know the revelations of God. In the case of circumcision, it was/is a parable showing the reality and need of removing and...

Sorry, I know it is easy to assume we are all speculating. But I was not.

Applying that type of expectation to now, how would you describe the likely error of expectation of the church?

The seven thunders were/are not evil or prophetic, but speak of the tribulations of the ages, and the finish of the mystery of God revealed just before the end, the shaking of foundations. In Jesus' words, "there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

As a light unto the gentiles much of the scriptures written to Israel are applicable to all. But the key word in Peter's writings [was] "now" indicating that he spoke to [that] generation and those still alive, that they too should remain faithful to their calling as a light unto the gentiles.

How would you explain the Priests and Pharisees being experts of the scriptures, but completely caught off guard by the coming of Christ/Messiah?

That is not what is actually going on. It will seem far fetched and hard to believe until the real truth comes out (if it even does). But truth be known, Ukraine has been a stronghold for an ancient mafia-like, Satan-worshiping sect at the core of the new world order/one world government...

No, the words are no longer sealed. The words are the same words also spoken of by Daniel; and their being sealed or under restraint was also referred to by Paul. The time of their revealing was to be the time of the end. This is that time.

Come on Bob--baiting or wanting to cause trouble again?! We have been covering that for days, and I have already explained many times. You give your mischievous heart away. Just as well, you are revealed.

Sorry, in post #142 I made a typo (meaning to say rather, that "l do not "think" but know" the truth of these matters. So no, 1 Corinthians 14:33-36 should not be ignored.

Do you not understand that the natural is first--being that of elements and seen, "but afterward the spiritual" which to the flesh is unseen?

Indeed many do "believe" as I have explained regarding this issue, but I do not believe, but know.

It is necessary that "Paul was right all the time" because it was NOT Paul who was speaking (in accord with Matthew 10:20). Which is true of all scripture and the continued word from the Holy Spirit to the church as directed by Jesus, just as He promised.

Yes, and Jesus said "He who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." Which you seem adiment about not acknowledging even exists...while you continue not being silent in church, but constantly saying what you "think" against what is commanded.

That is a good understanding and response. However, sharing our "thinking" should be understood as speculation as opposed to what is actually true...which is one of the great dangers I meant to bring to light in this thread. It is in fact the very definition of NOT being silent in church. It...

I'll take that as "No" (as rejecting "what the Spirit says to the churches").

Do not discount the idea of completely understanding God, as Jesus said, "you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." Truth comes from God from God "here a little there a little" until the end.

The determination (of what is and is not true) begins and ends with and by God (whom is spirit). The problem you describe only occurs when people presume to receive truth from God without Him. Which only comes from God--but does come by different means--including through people of His choosing...

Read my explanation. I have stated the matter clearly now repeatedly.