The Adulterous Woman.

Magdala · Thursday at 9:56 AM

Ronald Nolette said:
I am not going to speculate on Satan's motives and schemes.

You probably should if you're going to be a Christian. He's just as real as God is and he's constantly at work trying to lead people away from God. That's his motive and he'll use anything and anyone he can to do so.

So, think about what you read about the Blessed Virgin Mary in Maria's writings. Why would Satan speak about Her in such a way, when he hated Her Son to the point of killing Him, and so how much more would Satan hate His Mother for bringing Him into the world to redeem mankind and defeat him?

And, Satan wants to lead people away from God, and the Blessed Virgin Mary wants to help lead people to God, and thus, wouldn't it be more befitting of Satan to either downplay or deny Who She is, what She's done and does, and the degree of influence that She's had and has, and so on, and get people to believe that, in order to lead them away from God? Because for Satan to speak of the Blessed Virgin Mary in ways that honor Her and draws people to Her Son, and thus closer to God, is the exact opposite effect of what he wants. Do you agree?

And, we agree that Maria Valtorta's writings have a supernatural origin, but you think it's Satan's work not God's, and that he's saying lies about the Blessed Virgin Mary. I take it that you've ruled out the possibility that people's interpretation of certain scriptural verses are wrong, and that what Maria Valtorta was told and shown is actually the Truth? How did you come to that rule out?

Ronald Nolette · 2025-04-18T13:28:24-0500

Magdala said:
You probably should if you're going to be a Christian. He's just as real as God is and he's constantly at work trying to lead people away from God. That's his motive and he'll use anything and anyone he can to do so.

I am well aware of HIs schemes, being a former Satanist. But I focus on what God calls me to do, it leaves no time to try to figure out what the devil is up to.

Magdala said:
And, we agree that Maria Valtorta's writings have a supernatural origin, but you think it's Satan's work not God's, and that he's saying lies about the Blessed Virgin Mary. I take it that you've ruled out the possibility that people's interpretation of certain scriptural verses are wrong, and that what Maria Valtorta was told and shown is actually the Truth? How did you come to that rule out?

By Peter, whom you say was the first Pope, we are forbidden from interpreting Scripture, but to accept and obey it. No church has the right to "interpret" Scripture.

Magdala · 2025-04-18T23:55:01-0500

Ronald Nolette said:
I am well aware of His schemes, being a former Satanist. But I focus on what God calls me to do, it leaves no time to try to figure out what the devil is up to.

There's nothing to figure out. You already know that Satan is constantly at work trying to use anything and anyone he can to lead people away from God. Now, we agree that Maria Valtorta's writings have a supernatural origin, but you think that they're of Satan. In that case, think about how Satan wants to lead people away from God, and the Blessed Virgin Mary wants to help lead people to God, and now think about what you you read about the Blessed Virgin Mary in Maria's writings. Then, ask yourself these questions:

Satan speaking of the Blessed Virgin Mary in ways that honor Her and draws people to Her Son, and thus closer to God, is the exact opposite effect of what satan wants. Yes or no?

Wouldn't it be more befitting of Satan to either downplay or deny Who She is, what She's done and does, and the degree of influence that She's had and has, and so on, and get people to believe that, in order to lead them away from God? Yes or no?

Ronald Nolette said:
By Peter, whom you say was the first Pope, we are forbidden from interpreting Scripture, but to accept and obey it. No church has the right to "interpret" Scripture

There was the Christian (Catholic) Church founded by Jesus. Then, people started their own Christian denominations, and each differs from the Church Jesus founded. That's why you have so many different interpretations of Scripture now. Heck, a group of Jehovah's Witnesses straight up edited Scripture to their liking! For example, you read certain scriptural verses and interpret them to mean that Joseph and Mary had intercourse and other children, but others say different. Both can't be right can they? Nope. So, how did you rule out the possibility that your interpretation of those verses aren't correct?

Ronald Nolette · 2025-04-19T09:50:42-0500

Magdala said:
There's nothing to figure out. You already know that Satan is constantly at work trying to use anything and anyone he can to lead people away from God. Now, we agree that Maria Valtorta's writings have a supernatural origin, but you think that they're of Satan. In that case, think about how Satan wants to lead people away from God, and the Blessed Virgin Mary wants to help lead people to God, and now think about what you you read about the Blessed Virgin Mary in Maria's writings. Then, ask yourself these questions:

Satan speaking of the Blessed Virgin Mary in ways that honor Her and draws people to Her Son, and thus closer to God, is the exact opposite effect of what satan wants. Yes or no?

Wouldn't it be more befitting of Satan to either downplay or deny Who She is, what She's done and does, and the degree of influence that She's had and has, and so on, and get people to believe that, in order to lead them away from God? Yes or no?

Well MAria lies about the Mary, the Mother of Jesus.

1. She is not the Mother of God, but the Mother of Jesus humanity.
2. She had sex with Joseph after Jesus was born according to gods Infallible Inspired Word.
She had at least 6 other children- 4 sons and at least 2 daughters according to gods Infallible Inspired Word.
#. She sinned like the rest of humanity as declared in Gods Inspired Infallible Word.

If you believe in all the other Marian apparitions and her sayings- then you and Maria are guilty of Idolatry! These Marian visions demand praying the Rosary! False prayer.

Magdala · 2025-04-19T10:07:04-0500

Ronald Nolette said:
By Peter, whom you say was the first Pope, we are forbidden from interpreting Scripture, but to accept and obey it. No church has the right to "interpret" Scripture

Ronald Nolette said:
Well MAria lies about the Mary, the Mother of Jesus.

1. She is not the Mother of God, but the Mother of Jesus humanity.
2. She had sex with Joseph after Jesus was born according to gods Infallible Inspired Word.
She had at least 6 other children- 4 sons and at least 2 daughters according to gods Infallible Inspired Word.
#. She sinned like the rest of humanity as declared in Gods Inspired Infallible Word.

The Christian (Catholic) Church was founded by Jesus. The first leaders were the apostles. Then, people started their own Christian denominations, and each differs from the Church Jesus founded. That's why you have so many different interpretations of Scripture now. Heck, a group of Jehovah's Witnesses straight up edited Scripture to their liking! You read certain scriptural verses and interpret them to mean that Joseph and Mary had intercourse and other children, but others say different. Both can't be right. So, how did you rule out the possibility that your interpretation of those verses aren't correct?

Additionally, we agree that Maria Valtorta's writings have a supernatural origin, but you think that they're of Satan because of what Maria was shown and told about the Blessed Virgin Mary, which is about Her life on earth, why She should be honored, and the ways in which She draws people to Her Son, and thus closer to God, which is the exact opposite effect of what Satan wants. Wouldn't it be more befitting of Satan to either downplay or deny Who the Blessed Virgin Mary is, what She's done and does, and the degree of influence that She's had and has, and so on, and get people to believe that, in order to lead them away from God? Yes or no?

JohnDB · 2025-04-19T11:10:43-0500

Magdala said:
According to Maria Valtorta's account of what took place, the following words Jesus wrote in the dust were the sins of the adulterous woman's accusers as they were speaking to Him:

« Usurer »
« False »
« Irreverent son »
« Fornicator »
« Murderer »
« Desecrator of the Law »
« Thief »
« Libidinous »
« Usurper »
« Unworthy husband and father »
« Blasphemer »
« Rebellious to God »
« Adulterer »

And, after Jesus said, "If there is one of you who has not sinned, let him be the first to throw a stone at her," and while the adulterous woman's accusers started to disperse, Jesus started writing the following:

« Pharisees »
« Vipers »
« Sepulchres of rottenness »
« Liars »
« Traitors »
« Enemies of God »
« Revilers of His Word »

It's a popular theory....based on Jesus's words. "Those innocent among you be the one to cast the first stone"

However....

There are carefully worded laws in Leviticus and Deuteronomy that line out in exacting detail how to treat a woman accused of Adultery....including the testi.ony of her husband, the adulterer man, the drink of dust from the Temple grounds mixed with water and etc.

Maybe Jesus was writing those LAWS out on the Dirt....the accusers certainly knew them.

Magdala · 2025-04-19T11:13:47-0500

JohnDB said:
It's a popular theory....based on Jesus's words. "Those innocent among you be the one to cast the first stone"

However....

There are carefully worded laws in Leviticus and Deuteronomy that line out in exacting detail how to treat a woman accused of Adultery....including the testi.ony of her husband, the adulterer man, the drink of dust from the Temple grounds mixed with water and etc.

Maybe Jesus was writing those LAWS out on the Dirt....the accusers certainly knew them.

Thank you for sharing, but according to the source I mentioned in post #1, a woman who was shown the scene of the adulterous woman by Jesus, what Jesus wrote were the sins of the adulterous woman's accusers.

JohnDB · 2025-04-19T12:00:48-0500

Magdala said:
Thank you for sharing, but according to the source I mentioned in post #1, a woman who was shown the scene of the adulterous woman by Jesus, what Jesus wrote were the sins of the adulterous woman's accusers.

I understand where you got your thoughts and beliefs about the subject.

But if the Scribes, Pharisees, and etc were trying to get Jesus to stone this woman as if she was guilty of Adultery without going through the LAW of Moses....then they were guilty doubly so of breaking the Law. (As also laid out in scriptures)

I have no idea about whether the Mary V you are speaking of is inspired by vision or what.

I just know the Law of Moses and what Jesus would of thought about those who were supposed to be the "Teachers of Israel".
Jesus NEVER shied away from condemning sin....far from it. He had a very definite and definable stance on EVERY sin mentioned in scriptures. He didn't play footsie with sin or coddled it or even excused it. He utterly destroyed it at every chance he got.

Make what you will of my thoughts. I'm just sharing in the discussion without trying to disparage anyone. I'm simply making scriptures clear from my perspective.

And if you wish to negate the thoughts I've expressed here then you need to support your original perspective with some sort of scriptures or logic to explain. Relying upon a person that you believe is insufficient....it's a logical fallacy.

JohnDB · 2025-04-19T12:12:36-0500

Other thoughts on this passage....

Is that Jerome had an accident when assembling the scriptures. He lost this section and later it was erroneously inserted into John. However, internal evidence suggests that it truly belongs in Mark.

Tradition has made it hold this place especially since the invention of the printing press. The earliest manuscripts available do not have this section of scripture whatsoever....

Bur if we look at the reason why Jerome assembled and translated the scriptures it's understandable why this section of Mark was lost and later became inserted into John....
Today we still are doing Jerome's work with things like Dead Sea Scrolls and other manuscripts.

Magdala · 2025-04-19T15:34:07-0500

JohnDB said:
I just know the Law of Moses and what Jesus would of thought about those who were supposed to be the "Teachers of Israel".
Jesus NEVER shied away from condemning sin....far from it. He had a very definite and definable stance on EVERY sin mentioned in scriptures. He didn't play footsie with sin or coddled it or even excused it. He utterly destroyed it at every chance he got.

Jesus didn't "play footsie with, coddle, or excuse sin". Jesus only said that those who were without sin should throw the stones. And no one struck the adulterous woman, because no one was without sin. So He confirmed the Law that inflicts lapidation on adulterers, but He also saved the woman because not one lapidator could be found.

And, if Jesus "never shied away from condemning sin...far from it" as you say, then He would've stoned her, and it would've been just, because she really was guilty, but it wouldn't have been mercy. Did you want Jesus to stone the woman to death?

And, Jesus was not foolish in forgiving. He did not say what He said to other souls whom He had forgiven because they were fully repentant. He gave the adulterous woman time and possibility to arrive at repentance and holiness, if she wished to reach them.

JohnDB said:
And if you wish to negate the thoughts I've expressed here then you need to support your original perspective with some sort of scriptures or logic to explain. Relying upon a person that you believe is insufficient....it's a logical fallacy.

Lol, if you think relying on a person that you believe is a logical fallacy, then you better stop believing the words of those mentioned in Scripture. And, what Maria Valtorta was shown by Jesus is supported by what He said, which can also be found in Scripture: "He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her.” Furthermore, I can provide proof that she was one of Jesus's true spokespersons. So, as I said, what Jesus wrote in the dust were the sins of the adulterous woman's accusers.

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