If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.

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TO the trenches one and all . This be the last hours
and a wonderful home awaits us all at the end of our faith .
Do not compromise , do not give up or give in .
STAND firm in CHRIST and by the POWER of HIS GRACE
MARCH ONWARDS IN THE TRENCHES doing all to POINT to CHRIST and all bibical doctrine
whereby one may grow and learn .
 

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Seems like you are now “ trolling” David..and evading my questions.

I was shocked that you don’t know who Gods Living testimony is?

How on earth would I know that my spirit is Born Again?...without the Spirit testifying that truth to my heart/ spirit?

I’ve answered your questions...are you wriggling out of answering mine.....seems like you are?

You’re good at accusing others and firing questions at them @David in NJ .

Unfortunately you aren’t very good at answering back, the questions that were fired at you...
I was shocked that you don’t know who Gods Living testimony is?
Well, based on your exact words above, who is God's Living testimony?
 

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There is no need for explanation, the truth is in the book.
I don't know what explanation you're looking for.
Revelation 13:9
If any man have an ear, let him hear.
I am looking for the Biblical Definition of "the narrow gate".

The one which JESUS gave to us.
 
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Well, based on your exact words above, who is God's Living testimony?
If you don’t know who Gods Living testimony is, in your heart/ spirit, then I’m afraid I can’t give you that answer.

Only by the testifying of the Spirit to my spirit, do I know that my spirit is Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed.....a “ Living “ seed that gave birth to my spirit.

Flesh gives birth to flesh.= human birth.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.....= supernatural birth that comes by “Living”divine heart revelation.

I am clothed in the righteousness of Christ......being conformed into his image.....

It’s pretty obvious that we have very different testimonies, on how we became “ Born Of The Spirit “.

Romans 8
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Walking by the Spirit
(Ezekiel 36:16–38; Galatians 5:16–26)
1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.a2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set youb free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin.c He thus condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the fleshd cannot please God.
9You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alivee because of righteousness
. 11And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the deadf will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you.
Heirs with Christ
12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption to sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.
Future Glory

(2 Corinthians 5:1–10)
18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.
26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
God Works in All Things
(Ephesians 1:3–14)
28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.
More than Conquerors
(Psalm 44:1–26)
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:
“For Your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”g
37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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So because I disagree with you, I disagree with God? You sound like my Jehovah's Witness friends.
You are not disagreeing with me.

When you refuse, in your heart, to listen to God speaking to you from His word, you choose to disagree with God.

God has given us His Word and thru His Word we are drawn into His Light and Truth and Sanctification.

Psalm 119: 104-105
Through Your precepts I get understanding;
Therefore I hate every false way.
Your word is a lamp to my feet
And a light to my path.

JESUS Prayed this for us: John 17:16-17
They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
 
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Brothers… listen. The wind of the Spirit is not measured by volume, nor the fire of heaven by how it feels on your skin. One of you heard Him in a still small voice. The other in a storm. But it was the same Spirit.

The Father doesn’t hand out carbon copies. Some are born again with tears. Others with peace so deep it can’t be explained. But if the Spirit is in you, He knows you (which is the most important thing of all) — and you know Him.

But knowing Him means continuing to follow Him. So if a teaching leads you into another covenant, another people, or another messiah — like Dispensationalism does — it’s not His voice calling. It’s a deception. And it’s time to turn back.
 
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You are not disagreeing with me.
Really? I thought I was. You believe and say one thing I believe and say another.

But apparently what you believe and say is not you who is speaking but God, because as you say, I am disagreeing with God for not believing as you say.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill with your strawman argument.
 

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We all know that Jesus rebuked the Hypocritical scribes and Pharisees, so there can be no mistake that the Talmud was written by these people.

Whether or not Hitler was connected to the Zionists,But conspiracy theories are not universally believed, even though it may be true.

In short, the Jews have embarked on an unimagined path, especially the Zionists, which is neither about the prophecy coming true, Nor is it about the Messiah who greets them, as they continue to write their own Bible in their own way.If they don't wake up, God will always hide his face from them, for such a special people,This is pitiful and sadly.

Pray for them to open their eyes.
Nothing is wrong with biblical Zion !

But as to this world do not be suprised what such claimes to be is false ! like false so called Jew, Jew's ?

Who is a real Jew ? one who is worthy of the OT and Moses I would say.

Who is a worthy Christian ? Jesus says about this, most are not worthy of Christ Jesus in fact, one must truly be born again ! that means you are Israel !

Islael means The servant of God !

Who were called Israel in the Bible, only two men in fact, Jacob and Nathaniel, period ! for they were worthy in fact ! now why do denominations run like hell from pointing out what Jacob and Nathaniel are all about ! for who shy away from such are of Satan in fact !
If one does not truly have a handle on why the two men are Israel, people can be lost ? for they go about like chasing ones tail regarding what Israel is all about.

People come to me and mention about Israel, most religious people are coming from a point of this world, they are on the same track as typical of any stupid carnal fool is coming from, it's typical and such both agree ? because both are Lost in fact !
Clearly they have no regard, for they do not have eyes to see ? regarding the Holy Spirit !

When most people mention The Jews ? that's a sad joke, for most do not have a clew what they are truly talking about in regards The Jews ?
Like what Jews is one on about ?
It's like saying The Australians ? many diffrent types of Australians, they are not all of the same or on the same page, or one could say about Christans all are on the same page ? well clearly they are not ! and nor are all of The Jews on the same page in fact.

What was Hitler talking about regarding The Jews ? clearly he loved the so called Zionist ! and if it was not for Hitler, The State of Israel would never of got off the ground in fact ! But the powers that be never want to point this fact out !
Why ! for something may be exposed ? people may look into it ? Don't look to deep !
What do people mention about why and how, did the State come about ? yes they are right ! but why ? because of Hitler killing all of them Jews ! That's why it was passed in fact ! Hitler was the only one who was all for the State, way before it was passed in fact !

Fact was back before 1980's no one looked up to The Jews in fact, not one Nation's people did in fact !
I remember being asked in Churches that I went to, where do you come from ? in regards my Jewish sirname, I said were were X generations of Christians. so all good !
When I mentioned about The Jews with Christians, They were not in line with the Jews at all, such was a gasp of fright, that anyone would look up to The Jews. But this was in regards such as Jews and their dealings regarding their history regarding Money dealings, not to trust them at all ! and their dissregard for Christ Jesus !

If one would idolise the Jews for their dealings with money, Christians yould not give you the time of day in fact !
I have a mate who total admiration for the Jews devilish cunning in love with undermining people 24/7 for he admires all such underhanded workings ! It's all about oneself getting rich and nothing but in fact. Possessed !

I said people like that are a Leach, Vampire, or like a Tick, for they poison and make the body very sick ! and such a society become a pox an abomination ! you then created a socity of 2 classes the very rich and very poor ! that's a total pathetic Nation. once the middle class is gone your Nation is total crap ! Who wants to live in a place dominated over like that type of hell people.

But some people brand all Jews as like that, but they are not all like that at all, I have even seen Jews in Israel have great hatred of such type of Jews directly, but TV always cuts all such out, so the world can not see any such mentionings. for all such it's claimed Anti-Semitic ! HAHA even Jew's are demanded Anti-semitc, if they speek the truth about something.

The Anti-Semitic god's will get them Jews ? just for speeking their own thoughts. such is a god that only total Godless morons will swallow !
 
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Really? I thought I was. You believe and say one thing I believe and say another.

But apparently what you believe and say is not you who is speaking but God, because as you say, I am disagreeing with God for not believing as you say.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill with your strawman argument.

When you refuse to listen to God speaking to you from His word, you choose to disagree with God.

God has given us His Word and thru His Word we are drawn into His Light and Truth and Sanctification.

Psalm 119: 104-105
Through Your precepts I get understanding;
Therefore I hate every false way.
Your word is a lamp to my feet
And a light to my path.

JESUS Prayed this for us: John 17:16-17
They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
 

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Like this - “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

You failed your own educational dictates!!!

Including being a accuser of the brethren with this, and I quote your own words:
"If you’re still waiting for a geopolitical redemption apart from the cross,
If you think a nation that rejects the Son will be saved by a timeline instead of His blood —
You’re not being led by the Holy Spirit.
You’re being led by a system built 1,800 years after the Gospel was already fulfilled."

None of which I ever stated or adhere too!!!

You quoted Matthew 23:37–39 — as did I.

We agree that Jesus mourned over Jerusalem and longed to gather them.
We also agree He said:
'You will not see Me again until you say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord."

That’s not a Scofield timeline — it’s a call to repentance and recognition of the Messiah.

If you don’t believe in a geopolitical redemption apart from Christ, if you reject the idea of a future national salvation without the cross — then my words weren’t aimed at you. But if you do… then my statement stands. Because Jesus didn’t die to establish a religious system 1,800 years later — He died to fulfill the Gospel once and for all.

I didn’t accuse you personally — I exposed a system that twists His words to serve an agenda Christ never taught.

If that offended you, then ask why.
Because if the shoe doesn’t fit, you shouldn’t feel the sting.
But if it does… maybe it’s time to take it off.

As for me?
I believe Jesus when He said:
'It is finished.'
And I don’t need a prophecy chart to trust in His blood.
 

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Nothing is wrong with biblical Zion !

But as to this world do not be suprised what such claimes to be is false ! like false so called Jew, Jew's ?

Who is a real Jew ? one who is worthy of the OT and Moses I would say.

Who is a worthy Christian ? Jesus says about this, most are not worthy of Christ Jesus in fact, one must truly be born again ! that means you are Israel !

Islael means The servant of God !

Who were called Israel in the Bible, only two men in fact, Jacob and Nathaniel, period ! for they were worthy in fact ! now why do denominations run like hell from pointing out what Jacob and Nathaniel are all about ! for who shy away from such are of Satan in fact !
If one does not truly have a handle on why the two men are Israel, people can be lost ? for they go about like chasing ones tail regarding what Israel is all about.

People come to me and mention about Israel, most religious people are coming from a point of this world, they are on the same track as typical of any stupid carnal fool is coming from, it's typical and such both agree ? because both are Lost in fact !
Clearly they have no regard, for they do not have eyes to see ? regarding the Holy Spirit !

When most people mention The Jews ? that's a sad joke, for most do not have a clew what they are truly talking about in regards The Jews ?
Like what Jews is one on about ?
It's like saying The Australians ? many diffrent types of Australians, they are not all of the same or on the same page, or one could say about Christans all are on the same page ? well clearly they are not ! and nor are all of The Jews on the same page in fact.

What was Hitler talking about regarding The Jews ? clearly he loved the so called Zionist ! and if it was not for Hitler, The State of Israel would never of got off the ground in fact ! But the powers that be never want to point this fact out !
Why ! for something may be exposed ? people may look into it ? Don't look to deep !
What do people mention about why and how, did the State come about ? yes they are right ! but why ? because of Hitler killing all of them Jews ! That's why it was passed in fact ! Hitler was the only one who was all for the State, way before it was passed in fact !

Fact was back before 1980's no one looked up to The Jews in fact, not one Nation's people did in fact !
I remember being asked in Churches that I went to, where do you come from ? in regards my Jewish sirname, I said were were X generations of Christians. so all good !
When I mentioned about The Jews with Christians, They were not in line with the Jews at all, such was a gasp of fright, that anyone would look up to The Jews. But this was in regards such as Jews and their dealings regarding their history regarding Money dealings, not to trust them at all ! and their dissregard for Christ Jesus !

If one would idolise the Jews for their dealings with money, Christians yould not give you the time of day in fact !
I have a mate who total admiration for the Jews devilish cunning in love with undermining people 24/7 for he admires all such underhanded workings ! It's all about oneself getting rich and nothing but in fact. Possessed !

I said people like that are a Leach, Vampire, or like a Tick, for they poison and make the body very sick ! and such a society become a pox an abomination ! you then created a socity of 2 classes the very rich and very poor ! that's a total pathetic Nation. once the middle class is gone your Nation is total crap ! Who wants to live in a place dominated over like that type of hell people.

But some people brand all Jews as like that, but they are not all like that at all, I have even seen Jews in Israel have great hatred of such type of Jews directly, but TV always cuts all such out, so the world can not see any such mentionings. for all such it's claimed Anti-Semitic ! HAHA even Jew's are demanded Anti-semitc, if they speek the truth about something.

The Anti-Semitic god's will get them Jews ? just for speeking their own thoughts. such is a god that only total Godless morons will swallow !
I know what you mean, there are always exceptions, there are always different people, like different points of view.

But for the Bible, there is only one truth, no more different point of view, and that is obedience to God's word.

Only if more people obey God's Word will the world become more and more like the true kingdom of heaven, otherwise it will be a hellish scene.

But I really don't have hope for the world, I don't hate the gap between rich and poor, I don't hate the rich or the Jews, People get the results they want.

I want the kingdom of God, they want to be rich and Hell, Fair enough.
 
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I know what you mean, there are always exceptions, there are always different people, like different points of view.

But for the Bible, there is only one truth, no more different point of view, and that is obedience to God's word.

Only if more people obey God's Word will the world become more and more like the true kingdom of heaven, otherwise it will be a hellish scene.

But I really don't have hope for the world, I don't hate the gap between rich and poor, I don't hate the rich or the Jews, People get the results they want.

I want the kingdom of God, they want to be rich and Hell, Fair enough.

"Only if more people obey God's Word will the world become more and more like the true kingdom of heaven, otherwise it will be a hellish scene."

Thats exactly what the misled, Dispensationalist Evangelicals are building over in Tel Aviv right now.. Satan's throne. They're the ones causing this nightmare.
 
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"Only if more people obey God's Word will the world become more and more like the true kingdom of heaven, otherwise it will be a hellish scene."

Thats exactly what the misled, Dispensationalist Evangelicals are building over in Tel Aviv right now.. Satan's throne. They're the ones causing this nightmare.
But modern Israel does not know that an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth belongs to Satan's throne.

They are still following the Old Testament teaching of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

But God has changed the teaching to love for love, love for hate,love for enemy.
 

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