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Today, April 6th, the Gospel reading was about the adulterous woman (Jn. 8:1-11). So, I wanted to share that on March 20th, 1944, this scene from Jesus's life was shown to Maria Valtorta, and she wrote down all that she saw and heard in the vision. If interested, you can read what took place in full in chapter 492 in The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. IV, followed by His commentary on what happened which He dictated to Maria.

Then, on September 17th, 1946, Maria Valtorta was shown a scene that took place later that same day on the Mount of Olives (cf. Jn. 8:1-2), where Jesus and the apostles were talking about what happened earlier with the adulterous woman. Again, she wrote down all that she saw and heard in the vision. Below are excerpts:

"Adultery?! And You saved her? You shouldn't!" exclaims Judas Iscariot. Jesus stares at him then He asks: "Why not?"

"Because... It may be detrimental to You. You know how they hate You and try to find charges against You! Certainly... To save an adulteress is to go against the Law."

"I did not say that I wanted to save her. I only said that those who were without sin should throw the stones. And no one struck her, because no one was without sin. So I confirmed the Law that inflicts lapidation on adulterers, but I also saved the woman because not one lapidator could be found."

"But You..."

"Did you want Me to stone her to death? It would have been justice, because I could have stoned her. But it would not have been mercy."

"Ah! she had repented! She implored You and You..."

"No... She was not even repentant. She was only dejected and frightened."

"Then!... Why?... I no longer understand You! Previously I was still able to understand why You forgave Mary of Magdala, John of Endor, also... in short many sin..."

"You may as well say Matthew. I don't take it amiss. On the contrary I will be grateful to you for reminding me of my debt of gratitude to my Master" says Matthew calm and dignified.

"Yes, also Matthew... But they repented their sins, their dissolute lives. But this woman!... I do not understand You any more! And I am not the only one who doesn't..."

"I know. You do not understand Me... You have never understood Me well. And you are not the only one. But that does not change My behaviour."

"Forgiveness is to be granted to those who ask for it."

"Oh! If God should forgive only those who ask to be forgiven! And strike at once those who do not repent after sinning! Have you never felt that you had been forgiven before repenting? Can you really say that you repented and that is why you have been forgiven?"

"Master, I..."

"Listen to Me, all of you, because many among you think that I made a mistake and that Judas is right. Peter and John are here. They heard what I said to the woman and they can repeat it to you. I was not foolish in forgiving. I did not say what I said to other souls whom I had forgiven because they were fully repentant. But I gave that soul time and possibility to arrive at repentance and holiness, if she wishes to reach them. Bear that in mind when you are the masters of souls.

It is essential to possess two things to be true masters and worthy of being masters. The first thing: an austere life for oneself, so that one may judge without the hypocrisy of condemning in other people what one forgives oneself. The second thing: patient mercy to give souls the time to recover and fortify themselves.

Not every soul recovers instantaneously from its wounds. Some do so by successive stages, which are often slow and subject to relapses. It does not befit a spiritual doctor to reject, condemn, frighten them. If you drive them away, they will bound back and throw themselves again into the arms of false friends and masters. Always open your arms and hearts to poor souls, so that they may find in you true and holy confidants, on whose knees they do not feel ashamed to weep. If you condemn them depriving them of spiritual assistance, you will make them more and more unhealthy and weak. If you cause them to be frightened of you and of God, how will they be able to raise their eyes to you and to God?

Man meets man as his first judge. Only he who lives a spiritual life knows how to meet God first. But the creature who has arrived at living spiritually, does not fall into grave sins. His human side may be still weak, but his strong spirit is vigilant and his weaknesses do not become grave faults. Whereas the man who is still subject to flesh and blood commits sin and meets man. Now, if the man who should point out God to him and instruct his spirit, frightens him, how can the guilty person yield completely to him? And how can he say: "I humble myself because I believe that God is good and forgives", if he sees that one of his fellow-creatures is not good?

You are to be the term of comparison, the measure of what God is, just as a farthing is the part that makes one understand the value of a talent. But if you are cruel to souls, you tiny parts who are part of the Infinite and you represent Him, what will they think that God is? What intolerant harshness will they ascribe to Him?"
(The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. IV)
 
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According to Maria Valtorta's account of what took place, the following words Jesus wrote in the dust were the sins of the adulterous woman's accusers as they were speaking to Him:

« Usurer »
« False »
« Irreverent son »
« Fornicator »
« Murderer »
« Desecrator of the Law »
« Thief »
« Libidinous »
« Usurper »
« Unworthy husband and father »
« Blasphemer »
« Rebellious to God »
« Adulterer »

And, after Jesus said, "If there is one of you who has not sinned, let him be the first to throw a stone at her," and while the adulterous woman's accusers started to disperse, Jesus started writing the following:

« Pharisees »
« Vipers »
« Sepulchres of rottenness »
« Liars »
« Traitors »
« Enemies of God »
« Revilers of His Word »
 
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The woman can't commit adultery without a man but the man isn't condemned. Why is that?
 

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The woman can't commit adultery without a man but the man isn't condemned. Why is that?
while that is a good question its not the one we should be asking .
JESUS came to call to repentance
NOT TO JUSTIFY SIN . so beware for many now do this under the guise of a false mercy and a false love .
And many COMMIT will full adultery with the VERY HARLOT HERSELF beliving they bathe in the love of God .
BUT IT AINT . Now as for why the man was not brought .
WELL take a good look at WHY they even BROUGHT HER to JESUS .
IT was TO have SOMEMTHING to accuse HIM of .
You do realize even the jews KNEW that the ROMANS would not allow
them to PUT ANYONE to death . THEY were trying to trick JESUS , THEY were HYPROCRITES themselves .
BUT i must admit , AS USUAL JESUS SPOKE THE TRUTH .
LET HE who is without SIN amongst you all , cast the FIRST STONE . no stones flew that day
AND JESUS also still warned HER TO GO and SIN NO MORE .
 
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while that is a good question its not the one we should be asking .
JESUS came to call to repentance
NOT TO JUSTIFY SIN . so beware for many now do this under the guise of a false mercy and a false love .
And many COMMIT will full adultery with the VERY HARLOT HERSELF beliving they bathe in the love of God .
BUT IT AINT . Now as for why the man was not brought .
WELL take a good look at WHY they even BROUGHT HER to JESUS .
IT was TO have SOMEMTHING to accuse HIM of .
You do realize even the jews KNEW that the ROMANS would not allow
them to PUT ANYONE to death . THEY were trying to trick JESUS , THEY were HYPROCRITES themselves .
BUT i must admit , AS USUAL JESUS SPOKE THE TRUTH .
LET HE who is without SIN amongst you all , cast the FIRST STONE . no stones flew that day
AND JESUS also still warned HER TO GO and SIN NO MORE .
In the bible story of the adulterous woman the crowd was willing to stone the woman to death while her male lover was not accused. And that is still mostly true today.
 

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John 8:3-5 . . As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and Pharisees
brought a woman they had caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of
the crowd and said to Jesus: Teacher, this woman was caught in the very act of
adultery. The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?

That incident is very handy for showing Jesus was a stickler for due process.

Moses' law requires the testimony of at least two witnesses in capital cases. (Deut
17:6-7) Well; one by one the potential witnesses recused themselves and in the
end, there were no longer any grounds for detaining her in custody.

* Incidentally: had Jesus problems with misogyny, that would've been a golden
opportunity for him to take it out on somebody.
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In the bible story of the adulterous woman the crowd was willing to stone the woman to death while her male lover was not accused. And that is still mostly true today.

The reason for why the man wasn't present isn't found in any of the four Gospels. Now, considering the Pharisees were, as Jesus explained, insincere being scandalised at something they had committed thousands of times before, and were attempting to trap and accuse Jesuus, and thus they didn't really care about justice being done to either guilty party, perhaps they only chose to bring forward the woman out of societal bias, as women were often marginalized and their testimony was not always considered valid in legal matters. Or, the man got away in their attempt to apprehend him. Or, the man was one of the Pharisees, Scribes, or another Jewish leader, and thus didn't come forward. Or, it's another reason.
 
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Jesus knew what was in their deceitful heart, first of all it was to test him what will be His verdict.

They were scribes and lawyers of the Law of Moses, and in various ways they challenged Him to make a mistake.

But His answers made them baffled and turned away, till they hold council what's the best way to have Him killed.

Jesus the wisest need not ask them why the man likewise who's guilty is not present.

Jesus said that He did come to judge but to make peace, and give the grace and truth He brought from the FATHER.

And, even though He's to judge, He will be right and fair in judgement.

That's why plain and simple He told the adulteress woman that her sins are forgiven, sin no more.

Now, we must not think the man has an advantage and goes scot free, for he will have a day of reckoning.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
 
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The reason for why the man wasn't present isn't found in any of the four Gospels. Now, considering the Pharisees were, as Jesus explained, insincere being scandalised at something they had committed thousands of times before, and were attempting to trap and accuse Jesuus, and thus they didn't really care about justice being done to either guilty party, perhaps they only chose to bring forward the woman out of societal bias, as women were often marginalized and their testimony was not always considered valid in legal matters. Or, the man got away in their attempt to apprehend him. Or, the man was one of the Pharisees, Scribes, or another Jewish leader, and thus didn't come forward. Or, it's another reason.
YOU have this so called prophet writing in the sand something that would take a long time to write! Don't think Jesus spent that much time writing down the accusations.
 

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John 8:6-9 . . Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them: He
among you without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her. Again he
stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away
one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still
standing there.

It's fun to speculate about what Christ wrote on the ground in the incident of the
woman taken in adultery. Well, as for me; I suspect it was the names of girlfriends
that the woman's accusers had on the side that they thought nobody knew about.
Hence when Christ said "let him who is without sin cast the first stone" he wasn't
talking about sin in general; no, he was talking about the same sin; viz: adultery.
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YOU have this so called prophet writing in the sand something that would take a long time to write! Don't think Jesus spent that much time writing down the accusations.

Do you want to see the proofs that Maria Valtorta was a spokesperson of God? And, what evidence do you have that Jesus didn't what she saw Him write?
 

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Well, as for me; I suspect it was the names of girlfriends
that the woman's accusers had on the side that they thought nobody knew about.
Hence when Christ said "let him who is without sin cast the first stone" he wasn't
talking about sin in general; no, he was talking about the same sin; viz: adultery.

Not so, because Jesus said, "If there is one of you who has not sinned, let him be the first to throw a stone at her", not "If there is one of you who has not committed adultery." Refer back to post #2 to see what Jesus wrote.
 
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John 8:6-9 . . Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them: He
among you without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her. Again he
stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away
one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still
standing there.

It's fun to speculate about what Christ wrote on the ground in the incident of the
woman taken in adultery. Well, as for me; I suspect it was the names of girlfriends
that the woman's accusers had on the side that they thought nobody knew about.
Hence when Christ said "let him who is without sin cast the first stone" he wasn't
talking about sin in general; no, he was talking about the same sin; viz: adultery.
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He could be drawing, as to seem like He's writing something.

When the inspiring GOD and chosen Apostle witnesses in the New Testament never specify, then it's all later 'fabrication' of men.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
 

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I am 100% confident in my own mind that Maria Valtorta's followers are in the
same category as the delusional souls following Mary Baker Eddy and Ellen G.
White.
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Do you want to see the proofs that Maria Valtorta was a spokesperson of God? And, what evidence do you have that Jesus didn't what she saw Him write?
Well what proof do you have that she has empirical evidence she saw what Jesus wrote?

Give me Maria Valtorta beliefs and I will tell you if she ha sspoken for God or not.
 

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Not so. Refer back to post #2 to see what Jesus wrote.
Quote the inspired and compiled Holy Bible scripture, that is the sufficient truth. (2Timothy3:16&17)

This is a Bible Discussion platform for you information, thank you.
 

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Mother Teresa complained in private letters to spiritual counselors that she felt
scarcely the slightest glimmer of The Lord's presence in India virtually the entire
five decades she was there. The Lord's perpetual absence eventually led Teresa to
question whether there really is a supreme being out there.

In contrast, Maria Valtorta reported personal conversations with, and dictations
from, Jesus Christ which she recorded in her line of books.

Now both women were Catholics, and I assume excellent Catholics; so then why
such a gross disparity in their spiritual experiences?
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2 Corinthians 11:
14. And no marvel; for satan himself is transformed into an angel of Light.
15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


Jesus Christ chosen Apostles even having the Holy Ghost, who'll lead them into the full truth.

And bring to remembrance Christ's teachings, and declare further that which of Christ from Heaven.

They themselves did not mention what Jesus wrote on the ground, and not written down in the New Testament.

According to their epistles, there were already perversion and perverted church on their own.

1 John 2:
18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that anti-Christ shall come, even now there many anti-Christs; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
 

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I am 100% confident in my own mind that Maria Valtorta's followers are in the
same category as the delusional souls following Mary Baker Eddy and Ellen G.
White.

How can you be 100% confident Maria Valtorta was delusional when you haven't read all of her writings, much less the proofs that support her writings being of supernatural origin?