Musk, Johnson, Vance, Lee, other GOP say Russia will win the war in Ukraine, impossible to lose, time to end US billions to Ukraine

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(Bloomberg) -- Elon Musk told US Republican senators “there is no way in hell” that Russian President Vladimir Putin could lose the war on Ukraine, weighing in on a conflict that has been affected by Musk’s own Starlink satellite services.

Musk, the billionaire chief executive officer of Tesla Inc., made the comments in a forum Monday on X Spaces, part of his X social media platform. The discussions included opponents of a Senate bill that would provide further assistance for Ukraine to continue battling the full-scale Russian invasion that began two years ago.

He was joined by Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, JD Vance of Ohio and Mike Lee of Utah, as well as Vivek Ramaswamy, a former Republican presidential candidate, and David Sacks, a co-founder of Craft Ventures LLC.

Musk’s comments came as he agreed with Johnson’s statement that Putin would not lose in Ukraine. Johnson said those who expect a Ukraine victory were “living in a fantasy world.”

“We gotta kill this thing,” Vance said of the $95 billion measure, which includes $60 billion in assistance for Ukraine as well as funding for Israel, Taiwan, and humanitarian aid for Gaza.

Musk added he hoped Americans would contact their elected representatives about the Ukraine bill. “This spending does not help Ukraine. Prolonging the war does not help Ukraine.”

Musk has expressed similar sentiments before on X, doubting Ukraine’s ability to win the war and mocking Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s requests for aid. The tech mogul has come under criticism from Ukraine and Democratic members of Congress.
 
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(Bloomberg) -- Elon Musk told US Republican senators “there is no way in hell” that Russian President Vladimir Putin could lose the war on Ukraine, weighing in on a conflict that has been affected by Musk’s own Starlink satellite services.

Musk, the billionaire chief executive officer of Tesla Inc., made the comments in a forum Monday on X Spaces, part of his X social media platform. The discussions included opponents of a Senate bill that would provide further assistance for Ukraine to continue battling the full-scale Russian invasion that began two years ago.

He was joined by Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, JD Vance of Ohio and Mike Lee of Utah, as well as Vivek Ramaswamy, a former Republican presidential candidate, and David Sacks, a co-founder of Craft Ventures LLC.

Musk’s comments came as he agreed with Johnson’s statement that Putin would not lose in Ukraine. Johnson said those who expect a Ukraine victory were “living in a fantasy world.”

“We gotta kill this thing,” Vance said of the $95 billion measure, which includes $60 billion in assistance for Ukraine as well as funding for Israel, Taiwan, and humanitarian aid for Gaza.

Musk added he hoped Americans would contact their elected representatives about the Ukraine bill. “This spending does not help Ukraine. Prolonging the war does not help Ukraine.”

Musk has expressed similar sentiments before on X, doubting Ukraine’s ability to win the war and mocking Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s requests for aid. The tech mogul has come under criticism from Ukraine and Democratic members of Congress.

Amen
 

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Wait, you mean the Senator that has a father (Ron Paul) that had his own show on Russian propaganda network RT and whose campaign manager (Jesse Benton) went to prison for funneling Russian money to his political campaign is desperately lobbying to deny aid to a country on Putin's acquisition list?
 

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They want to keep them afloat with the hopes that NATO will get directly involved.
 

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Uncle Scam won't even protect MILLIONS of people in the US. US cities are nightmares.
 
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(Bloomberg) -- Elon Musk told US Republican senators “there is no way in hell” that Russian President Vladimir Putin could lose the war on Ukraine, weighing in on a conflict that has been affected by Musk’s own Starlink satellite services.

Musk, the billionaire chief executive officer of Tesla Inc., made the comments in a forum Monday on X Spaces, part of his X social media platform. The discussions included opponents of a Senate bill that would provide further assistance for Ukraine to continue battling the full-scale Russian invasion that began two years ago.

He was joined by Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, JD Vance of Ohio and Mike Lee of Utah, as well as Vivek Ramaswamy, a former Republican presidential candidate, and David Sacks, a co-founder of Craft Ventures LLC.

Musk’s comments came as he agreed with Johnson’s statement that Putin would not lose in Ukraine. Johnson said those who expect a Ukraine victory were “living in a fantasy world.”

“We gotta kill this thing,” Vance said of the $95 billion measure, which includes $60 billion in assistance for Ukraine as well as funding for Israel, Taiwan, and humanitarian aid for Gaza.

Musk added he hoped Americans would contact their elected representatives about the Ukraine bill. “This spending does not help Ukraine. Prolonging the war does not help Ukraine.”

Musk has expressed similar sentiments before on X, doubting Ukraine’s ability to win the war and mocking Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s requests for aid. The tech mogul has come under criticism from Ukraine and Democratic members of Congress.
I Agree 100%, America should have never been involved in Ukraine, same as giving financial support to a 3rd world country and its dictatorship, give us more $$$

Its my opinion and that of many that there's many off shore bank accounts that are bursting at the seams with American tax payer dollars, one could only imagine the names attached to these accounts,, will they allow the great American ripoff and slaughter of Ukranians to $continue$?
 

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Ukraine never wins this war.

Unless Nato gets involved and all of Europe ends up in disaster.
Ukraine is a money pit, money that should be spend elsewhere.

I am not a Ukraine hater, but this is the truth.

Nato never should have expanded towards the Russian borders by making former Sovjet States into members.
That's the bottom line of this whole issue.

The west did not live up to the promises made when the iron curtain came down.
Ukraine is a lost case, they should give up before more 1000s get killed.
It's that simple.
 
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(Bloomberg) -- Elon Musk told US Republican senators “there is no way in hell” that Russian President Vladimir Putin could lose the war on Ukraine, weighing in on a conflict that has been affected by Musk’s own Starlink satellite services.

Musk, the billionaire chief executive officer of Tesla Inc., made the comments in a forum Monday on X Spaces, part of his X social media platform. The discussions included opponents of a Senate bill that would provide further assistance for Ukraine to continue battling the full-scale Russian invasion that began two years ago.

He was joined by Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, JD Vance of Ohio and Mike Lee of Utah, as well as Vivek Ramaswamy, a former Republican presidential candidate, and David Sacks, a co-founder of Craft Ventures LLC.

Musk’s comments came as he agreed with Johnson’s statement that Putin would not lose in Ukraine. Johnson said those who expect a Ukraine victory were “living in a fantasy world.”

“We gotta kill this thing,” Vance said of the $95 billion measure, which includes $60 billion in assistance for Ukraine as well as funding for Israel, Taiwan, and humanitarian aid for Gaza.

Musk added he hoped Americans would contact their elected representatives about the Ukraine bill. “This spending does not help Ukraine. Prolonging the war does not help Ukraine.”

Musk has expressed similar sentiments before on X, doubting Ukraine’s ability to win the war and mocking Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s requests for aid. The tech mogul has come under criticism from Ukraine and Democratic members of Congress.
Well with what Zelensky did in rejecting peace and demanding the US keep giving aid for free while promising to repay European aid, it is time we shut the spigot!
 
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Musk, Johnson, Vance, Lee, other GOP say Russia will win the war in Ukraine, impossible to lose, time to end US billions to Ukraine

Well, they aren't wrong.... the US cannot continue sending billions and billions to Ukraine as it's not only an endless money pit that is draining our resources and harming our national security, but it's also flirting with starting WW3

The bottom line here is the war needs to be stopped so let Putin keep the Russian speaking areas that Ukraine was not taking care of anyway and let's be done with it.

Everyone seems to forget Putin is a nutjob that at some point will start shooting off nukes which will start WW3 causing billions to die

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Wait, you mean the Senator that has a father (Ron Paul) that had his own show on Russian propaganda network RT and whose campaign manager (Jesse Benton) went to prison for funneling Russian money to his political campaign is desperately lobbying to deny aid to a country on Putin's acquisition list?

If you really felt that strongly about defending Ukraine... WHY have you not gone over there to fight? clueless-scratching.gif




They want to keep them afloat with the hopes that NATO will get directly involved.

When that happens welcome to WW3 as that will bring China, North Korea, Iran, and Pakistan in to help Russia.... and soon after that nukes start flying.




Nato never should have expanded towards the Russian borders by making former Sovjet States into members.
That's the bottom line of this whole issue.

The west did not live up to the promises made when the iron curtain came down.

Yep, that's the root cause.

Putin is doing what the US threatened to do back when Russia put nukes in Cuba... we were ready to go to war over it and if the nukes had not been removed we would have gone to war over it.
 
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If you really felt that strongly about defending Ukraine... WHY have you not gone over there to fight?
look, I believe in keeping promises.

There's a treaty with Ukraine that we would help them should Russia attack.

Granted, Ukraine exacerbated the situation....and made Russia speed up its timetable and go to war.

Neither party is an innocent.
AND

No one wins at War. Everyone involved loses. One side loses less. (Sometimes)

As it is Russia is economically bankrupt and unviable. Not much different than Ukraine at the moment. Russia's reputation is on the line of being the big strong bear when it's spent all this time and gained nothing except dead Russian citizens and an economy in the toilet for decades to come.

Ukraine?
It's lost every bit of infrastructure, mining, and farmland in the East and South. Many of its citizens too. It's also heavily in debt and nothing to show for it. It won't be anywhere to go for 40+ years....if then.

Crimea? The swamp. Was a vacation beach and tourist destination. Not now. Not in the future either. Not for decades.

So who is winning?
Who is going to win?
Neither side in my opinion.
 

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There's a treaty with Ukraine that we would help them should Russia attack.

No... actually there is not.
You did understand that Ukraine is not a member of NATO right? clueless-scratching.gif

Besides, under the US Constitution our leaders are required to protect US citizens first and foremost... it's UN-Constitutional for the US to be the world's policeman which dems and repubs both have misunderstood

As it is Russia is economically bankrupt

Actually that is not true as they have found ways to get around efforts to block them from selling oil and natural gas... they are selling this stuff in great volume and are doing very well economically

China and India as well as a few other nations are buying Russian oil and natural gas like crazy.... and there's not much the US can do about it unless we want to nuke all of them which ain't gonna happen.


Who is going to win?

Russia will... because the west did not honor their promise to Russia at the end of the cold war to not allow nations on their boarder to become NATO members... the US and NATO had been pushing to let Ukraine become a NATO member and Russia attacked before that could happen.

The west did not keep it's promise to Russia and that's what started all of this.
 

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No... actually there is not.
You did understand that Ukraine is not a member of NATO right? View attachment 60927

Besides, under the US Constitution our leaders are required to protect US citizens first and foremost... it's UN-Constitutional for the US to be the world's policeman which dems and repubs both have misunderstood



Actually that is not true as they have found ways to get around efforts to block them from selling oil and natural gas... they are selling this stuff in great volume and are doing very well economically

China and India as well as a few other nations are buying Russian oil and natural gas like crazy.... and there's not much the US can do about it unless we want to nuke all of them which ain't gonna happen.




Russia will... because the west did not honor their promise to Russia at the end of the cold war to not allow nations on their boarder to become NATO members... the US and NATO had been pushing to let Ukraine become a NATO member and Russia attacked before that could happen.

The west did not keep it's promise to Russia and that's what started all of this.
Maybe you should pay attention to the news a bit more....not MSM or the conspiracy theorists. Then you would know that all of this you just said is not the truth. Oh it's being reported widely....it's just not true.
 

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This War in Ukraine is all about Money in regards Oil and Gas !
That's why Biden created and forced Russia to enter into that War that was taking place !

Ok now what about the People in East Ukraine ? well they were totaly disregarded in fact by who ? Not by Russia in fact ! Russia wanted them people to have a right to Vote in fact ! and who was it that rejected their rights ? Not Russia in fact !

Russia would not of entered into this idiot War it Trump was in power for a fact ! They would of been alowed to a right to be able to Vote ! and no one would of been sacrficed for the Fat Cats oil and Gas rights ! every one killed etc etc blood is on the hands of Joe Biden and all who have a finger in the Pie of Oil and Gas rights, that they have invested in, like B J once PM of England is said to invested most of his wealth in a deal that Ukraine wins. that's why he was such a retard about it all ! So who got him to invest so much of his wealth in it ? not to mention all of the others in Governments around the world ! because if they could pull it off ! that's a hell of a good investment returns for them in fact.

So how do we find out who and how People in power of Governments especially one who can bay for Wars to continue be truly exposed found out ! with their nose in it for personal ill gotten gains ?
What was Joe Biden getting kick backs for and his stupid druged up moron son. all was hidden, but stank like hell, lucky the MSM is in on it with them, or Bidens would of been exposed easy !

Joe Biden forced Putins hand into entering the War in fact !

Not to mention Russia is never going to let their number one Miltary Base go in fact ! anyone who thinks that anyone is going to take over that Base is a total moronic fool ! but Zelensky wants to do it if he can ! not to mention Zelensky clearly wants to start WW3 That's how totaly retarded dangerious that total childish idiot moron he is ! how many people in Ukraine has he got killed etc in fact ! he is the Butcher of Ukraine.

The Peoples right to Vote could of saved how many lives etc etc, it's a clear fact !

Putin never wanted War in fact ! Putins Russia was in fact forced into it all !
Putin would of been kicked out of power in Russia if he had just sat on his hands. Biden got involved and then Russia was forced into it in fact !

Why were and now are we so involved in what goes on in Ukraine and Russia Boarders ? They are not our good mates at all, how long has Ukraine totaly hated the West ? now they are best mates ? really ! and their Nazis as well ? what a creep show ! seriously.

Zelensky is no Leader he is a Puppet ! the first day of kicking off the War The MSM claimed he was on par with W Churchill remember that ! a filthy depraved sexual creep Commedian elavated to the rank of W Churchill in one day ! o_O :rolleyes: only a total retard would make such a claim. like who would swallow such total nonsense only a total moron would !

Then again who makes a claim that Russia is in a full scail War with Ukraine ? that's an outright Lie in fact !
Then again who said that Russia will run out of fire power, remember that ! just another outright stupid idiot foolish Lie !
Why do the MSM say such outright idiot things ! It's just propaganda in fact.

Remember WW2 what the Media said about the Japs ? they were all 5ft tall and half blind and could not fight their way out of a wet papper bag. but our lot got a hell of a shock as to the reality of the Japs Warfare.
 

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look, I believe in keeping promises.

There's a treaty with Ukraine that we would help them should Russia attack.

Granted, Ukraine exacerbated the situation....and made Russia speed up its timetable and go to war.

Neither party is an innocent.
AND

No one wins at War. Everyone involved loses. One side loses less. (Sometimes)

As it is Russia is economically bankrupt and unviable. Not much different than Ukraine at the moment. Russia's reputation is on the line of being the big strong bear when it's spent all this time and gained nothing except dead Russian citizens and an economy in the toilet for decades to come.

Ukraine?
It's lost every bit of infrastructure, mining, and farmland in the East and South. Many of its citizens too. It's also heavily in debt and nothing to show for it. It won't be anywhere to go for 40+ years....if then.

Crimea? The swamp. Was a vacation beach and tourist destination. Not now. Not in the future either. Not for decades.

So who is winning?
Who is going to win?
Neither side in my opinion.
Your right no one Wins in such a War in fact, but for who ?
Who is truly behind creating such a War. like who truly Wins ? The Fat Cats who want something ?
Peoples lives are clearly sold out for what 20cents say, is that what one is truly worth ? to who ? the Fat Cats seriously !
So clearly People can still be tossed into the Fire of idiot Wars still in the year 2025.

I say stop the War now and see what the cost of it will be to the People of Ukraine, seriously they are RS ! Finished as a Nation that they once were, their men in their prime have been sold out big time for what ! Nazis ? and who else ! it's not Ukraine anymore it's finished ! who is going to take over from all the dead men in their prime ? Islamic people or from Africa will fill their shoes ? thanks to the likes of UN and such who make demands and threats over all of Europe a strangel hold on their duely elected Governments mandates in fact ! or get their Nations economy attacked !
The Satanic UN, NATO are unelected Nazi like total criminal thugs in fact nowadays, they have changed their spots in fact and are run by criminal intent.
Then all such criminal make out that Trump is the monster ! Trump is not dominating like they do withy stupid idiot Malice as they do.
 

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When Russia was on the border about to invade, Ukraine should have sent a delegation to Russia to negotiate peace, or if peace could be had. That didn't happen. Zelensky drew a line in the sand instead of saving his Country.
 

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When Russia was on the border about to invade, Ukraine should have sent a delegation to Russia to negotiate peace, or if peace could be had. That didn't happen. Zelensky drew a line in the sand instead of saving his Country.
All that was needed was for a people to have the rights to Vote !
That was rejected ! Then Joe Biden stuck his nose into it all in a huge way, so then came the War !
Russia was forced into it, because of Joe Biden !

Zelensky is only a Puppet ! he has no worthy truly Political ability at all in fact ! the retard could not even talk to Putin !
Zelensky is an out and out Rat ! Nazi loving dingbat ! Butcher of Ukraines people !
Ukraine did not need this moron Zelensky at all !

Bring on elections in Ukraine and watch Zelensky loose by say 90% ? bring back the other Political Partys again to have a voice !