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Wrangler
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This makes no sense to me whatsoever. Have you ever given a speech? Most speeches are prepared before the speaker is in front of the audience. Not sure why it is offensive to suppose a deity would prepare a speech.
Again, Matthew did not write the speech. He's the one who had writing materials to help our Lord organize his thoughts. This was a device in this work of fiction to show Matthew as borderline autistic. He wrote things done because he had no idea why things were being done. After he'd question post consideration.
I guess your obsession with 'Jesus divinity' is such that you don't want to acknowledge that he was and is a man. Does Jesus getting thirsty, hungry, tired, frustrated, angry, bleed, died, raised by God and was given all authority in heaven and Earth also offend you as it belittles his divinity? If not, why not.
Sad that the greatest criticism of this religious work that brought millions to Christ does not come from unbelievers.
Rockerduck
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I've preached and prepared sermons, but I'm not Jesus or God. You don't believe God is Omniscient? You don't believe Jesus spoke a healing? How did Jesus heal the 5000.?
Luke 6:19 - And the whole multitude sought to touch Him, for power went out from Him and healed them all.
All Jesus did was walk through the multitude and healed them all.
I'm sorry to disagree with you, but a TV show does not save anyone.
John 6:44 -No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Wrangler
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Rockerduck
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Wrangler
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Rockerduck
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Yes, instant memory of all scriptures, and what the Father wanted Jesus to say.
John 12:49-50 -For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”
Wrangler
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Rockerduck
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Why would God need a speech writer? Jesus said "with God all things are possible". I can stand and preach by the power of the Holy Spirit only. I can post scriptures here all day, because I know the bible. I would not hire an accountant to write me a sermon. Luke 18:27 - But He said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”
Deborah_
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Having seen the episode where Jesus asks Matthew to "help" Him with His sermon, it was at a time when Matthew was feeling useless because he had no practical skills like the other disciples, and believed he wasn't contributing anything to the mission. Jesus was giving him a task that he could do.
However, he actually "did" next to nothing towards the sermon. Jesus used him to bounce ideas off, and when he made suggestions they were things that Jesus was already considering.
Jesus didn't need Matthew's help (so the story doesn't take anything away from His divinity). And there's probably a deeper pattern to this: God doesn't need our help to extend His Kingdom - and yet He graciously allows us to contribute to His work.
However, he actually "did" next to nothing towards the sermon. Jesus used him to bounce ideas off, and when he made suggestions they were things that Jesus was already considering.
Jesus didn't need Matthew's help (so the story doesn't take anything away from His divinity). And there's probably a deeper pattern to this: God doesn't need our help to extend His Kingdom - and yet He graciously allows us to contribute to His work.
Wrangler
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Rockerduck
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Luke 18:27 - But He said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”
ScottA
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Mark 9:40
For he who is not against us is on our side.
Of course there are exception and some go too far, taking too much creative liberty and watering down or taking away the original message. However, our poor attempts to give witness--even our misunderstandings are no problem when translation is God's alone--which is to say, even every shortfall. God is in perfect control, even if we are not.
Are such wanderings to be encouraged? No. But even if one takes a step backwards now and then, God outpaces us, that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
Consider what the outcome would be if we examined every original word of scripture and compared them with what is then quoted of them at a later time in the scriptural record: Misquotes, semantics, paraphrasing, and claims of breaking original context would be numerous. Indeed, imperfect men only did their imperfect best. But the issue is not simply one of human error--although, that too should even be as much as expected. But there is also something greater at work--something ultimately perfect in God's eyes, as it is ultimately by God. In spite of us.
For he who is not against us is on our side.
Of course there are exception and some go too far, taking too much creative liberty and watering down or taking away the original message. However, our poor attempts to give witness--even our misunderstandings are no problem when translation is God's alone--which is to say, even every shortfall. God is in perfect control, even if we are not.
Are such wanderings to be encouraged? No. But even if one takes a step backwards now and then, God outpaces us, that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
Consider what the outcome would be if we examined every original word of scripture and compared them with what is then quoted of them at a later time in the scriptural record: Misquotes, semantics, paraphrasing, and claims of breaking original context would be numerous. Indeed, imperfect men only did their imperfect best. But the issue is not simply one of human error--although, that too should even be as much as expected. But there is also something greater at work--something ultimately perfect in God's eyes, as it is ultimately by God. In spite of us.
Wrangler
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Rockerduck
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Wrangler
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You just gave the verse! All things are possible with God. This includes writing speeches.
Rockerduck
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Ok, but you said the scripture I posted contradicted scripture of the same scripture.
Wrangler
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Rockerduck
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I claimed God doesn't need a speechwriter, not that God can't write speeches. so, we are good.
Wrangler
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So, if God can prepare a speech why are you offended that the Chosen showed Jesus preparing it?
And why do you keep making the Appeal to Strawman? The Chosen never implied Matthew was a speech writer? I corrected you multi ok crime on this and you keep saying it.
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