Does God love those He burns in Hell "Forever and Ever"?

Taken · Mar 17, 2025

Jack said:
Scripture please. 'Death' NEVER means 'cease to exist' in the Bible.

Matt. 10:
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Jack said:
Why would Jesus make up a horror story using literal Biblical people?

He Didn’t.

Jack said:
Luke 16:22-28 The rich man died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hell, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'27 Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'

Yes, Hell is a place where Un saved living souls are tormented….
As well, so are Celestial Fallen spirits (Angels) that can not Die ( tormented forever).

How is something with no life in it Tormented for a minute or forever?

Does a dead body scream in torments when autopsied or cremated?

One 2 question · Mar 17, 2025

Taken said:
Jack -
People- a person is “a living manKIND of Body, with a Living Soul In that Body.”.

When the Body, (formed of the dust of the earth), mortally dies, it is returned to the dust of the Earth. It is dead because it’s Life (Blood) no longer functions.

The Living Soul, with ( with its Life, Gods Breath, ) departs out from the dead Body, and continues Living.

IF, the living soul IS Saved, it is escorted by angels to heaven, to wait in peace and comfort, with God, for Judgement day.

IF, the living soul is NOT Saved, it is sent to hell, to wait separated from God, in tortourus discomfort, for Judgement day.

(The spirit of man, is natural, born, of mans seed, learns, believes, it’s truth, without doubt, It is the Truth in a man’s Heart.
(which is different from, truths, lies, deception, ever changing mans Carnal Mind)

A man whose living soul Has been Saved, ALSO, receives, a Covenant with God.

The Hebrews/ Tribes, were First to receive the Covenant with God, By their WORD (confession of Belief / AND a “piece of their Body”, willingly Given unto Death, as A mrasure of good faith, of their Agreement WITH God, that their allegiance be to Him Alone, ie. their God.
( This introduced the circumcision of the Foreskin,).

OT gives one insight, and the NT, concurs, for any man Pledging his own Body unto Gods care. ( Death of his mortal body ), as well, be given to Gods care….requires that man. To willingly Condess his Belief, IN God….to God, from the mans Thoughts in his ~~MIND]~~? No, his HEART? Yes.

God is Spirit.
Communication from man to God.
Is mans Spirit (Truth in his heart) to Gods Spirit, who IS TRUTH.

A mans truth (natural truth, born of a mans seed)…
However God has Offered manKIND, an Order and Way….to Have the mans “natural spirit”….re/born…quickened….born Again….
From Gods SEED.

That ACT, WORKS of God, is performed, in Secrecy, hidden from mans EYES.
That is a spiritual event of God circumcising the Mans Heart, giving the man a New Heart, AND a new Seed (Gods Seed) in the mans Heart, to birth that man A NEW TRUTH, Gods Truth.
The Spirit of Gods Truth, enters WITH-IN the new Heart, and Feeds , the mans Heart…Gods Truths and And Gods Understanding of His Truths.
In short called : Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
In short called: converted.
In short called: quickened, which means, a Spirit, born of Hods Seed, “can Never Die.”

Thus, when the mortal BODY of a man Dies, it rots, returns to the Earth from whence it came…

However…the Living Soul, with Gods Life (His breath)…;
Saved…goes to heaven.
UnSaved…goes to hell.

The spirit of man…
born Again of Gods Seed…goes to heaven.
Not born again…dies with natural body..

Unsaved living souls are present in hell.
Their dead body, dead truth (spirit)…rot returning to Dust.

More Details…regarding…mans…body, soul, spirit…during End of days as we have known them…. Climax to Judgement….of the Body, soul, spirit.

Soul saved, spirit quickened. Body risen in glory, to never again die.

Soul not saved, spirit dead, with natural body….
Living soul returned to natural body.
Body risen up, by life in the soul.
Body and soul Judged / Sentenced.
Life in Soul, returns to God…
Remains…?
Lifeless Body
Lifeless natural spirit
Lifeless Soul
Thrown into the lake of Fire- Destroyed- Forgotten.

Regarding angels( who ARE Spirits…can Not Die (just as a man with Gods Seed. A born again spirit, can not die)…

Such angels, having exercised their FREEWILL to be AGAINST God…can never Die…and there IS no forgiveness Offered for A SPIRIT Against God…Thus the Live Forever…in the torture of eternal Separation From God, in hell, in the Lake of Fire…with no power to escape.

Because Spirits (angels) Presently Have the power to appear to the Eyes of human men…AS a human man…
When Scripture notifies you…
The Beast AND the False Prophet Are thrown into the Lake of Fire…

You Should “understand”…
The Beast…is any “underhanded” nation / global Governor (Pres, King, whatever Title)…
And the “False Prophet”…is an “underhanded” global Religious Leader (whatever Title, Dali Lama, Imam, Pope)
…
Because of their global influences…Will be Bodily…entered with-in By Evil Spirits…to Direct Their… citizens, congregates … and Ultimately, such Spirits thrown into the Lake of Fire /As their Judgement / Sentence.

No Alive human body is tortured in hell.
No Alive Soul is thrown into the Lake of Fire.
No Alive spirit of man is thrown into the Lake of Fire.

God IS Just and full of Grace toward manKIND.

Even the man who Rejects God…shall have all LIFE removed from his, body, soul, spirit…Before his remains are Destroyed and forgotten.

(Different story and reason, Spirits Against God, are tortured forever).

Glory to God,
Taken

As John described it, a lake of fire was prepared for Lucifer and his angels who are spirit, then it is designed and made specifically to accommodate spirits. As they aren't physical beings, literal fire would not affect them. So what's the point of it?

Therefore is this containment place spiritual in nature not physical.

Taken · Mar 17, 2025

One 2 question said:
As John described it, a lake of fire was prepared for Lucifer and his angels who are spirit, then it is designed and made specifically to accommodate spirits. As they aren't physical beings, literal fire would not affect them. So what's the point of it?

Therefore is this containment place spiritual in nature not physical.

The only “power” celestial Spirits possess, is What Power God Gives them.

It is Gods Power, He can also take Away.
Fallen Spirits will have No power to escape the lake of Fire.

Celestial Spirits (angels) that exercise their FREEWILL and Turn Against God…
1) there is no forgiveness offered “them”.
2) they cannot die.
3) God has a Pre-planned, new heaven / new earth…with His hony faithful angels
AND
His created manKIND who exercised their FREEWILL to be forever with God,
And thus God;
Has MADE those individuals…
…soul saved
…to have a Forever living spirit, born of Gods Seed
…and…the Promise to raise up their Body, anew, sinless, holy, “glorified”…
…and return to their glorified body, their forever living soul and forever living born again spirit…
… and forever live with God, SSeD Him as He IS (Spirit) … in a World VOID of Evil spirits and men who were Against God…
… with no Death, disease, sorrow, pain, suffering, ugly, hate, jealousy, lying, cheating, stealing.

What is the point…?
Separation Forever from Evil Beings that can never Die, being Separated Forever from God and His Faithful manKind, and Angels …
Who desired to be with Him And “He” Be their God.

Glory to God,
Taken

Gottservant · Mar 17, 2025

Jack said:
Revelation 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

I think that God loved them more than others, to begin with - that's why they have such tremendous power.

Jack · Mar 17, 2025

Taken said:
Matt. 10:
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

EVERLASTING destruction, a process that never ends.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

Taken said:
He Didn’t.

That's right. It's clearly literal.

Taken said:
Yes, Hell is a place where Un saved living souls are tormented….

Souls = people, "tormented day and night FOREVER".

Taken said:
As well, so are Celestial Fallen spirits (Angels) that can not Die ( tormented forever).

How is something with no life in it Tormented for a minute or forever?

Does a dead body scream in torments when autopsied or cremated?

No but the person in Hell will SCREAM "FOREVER and ever" with the Devil.

Taken · Mar 18, 2025

Jack said:
EVERLASTING destruction, a process that never ends.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

That's right. It's clearly literal.

Souls = people, "tormented day and night FOREVER".

No but the person in Hell will SCREAM "FOREVER and ever" with the Devil.

We are not on the same page.

What would you say is the makeup of a “Whole” manKIND of being?

Jack · Mar 18, 2025

Taken said:
We are not on the same page.

What would you say is the makeup of a “Whole” manKIND of being?

Is that Scripture?

Taken · Mar 18, 2025

Jack said:
Is that Scripture?

Yes.

Mark 2:
[17] When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Who do you think ARE whole?

Jack · Mar 18, 2025

Taken said:
Yes.

Mark 2:
[17] When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Who do you think ARE whole?

Why would Jesus use the words, everlasting, eternal, the lake of fire, forever and ever, Lu 16 Hell, when warning us of the Fire? Exact same Greek word, everlasting life, everlasting punishment, NEVER ending.

Taken · Mar 18, 2025

Jack said:
Why would Jesus use the words, everlasting, eternal, the lake of fire, forever and ever, Lu 16 Hell, when warning us of the Fire? Exact same Greek word, everlasting life, everlasting punishment, NEVER ending.

Because that which Can NOT die AND is Against God Shall suffer eternal punishment.

Have you decided what specifically is the Whole of man?

Jack · Mar 18, 2025

Taken said:
Because that which Can NOT die AND is Against God Shall suffer eternal punishment.

Have you decided what specifically is the Whole of man?

My main interest is defending the Bible and pulling people from the everlasting fire. Nothing more important than escaping Hell Fire.

Kabone · Mar 18, 2025

Pearl said:
Does He love them? Does a loving parent continue to love an offspring who chooses to ignore them?

I see it more equivalent to if a child chooses to ignore their loving parent, does the parent tie them to the bed, douse the house with gasoline, and just before they strike the match tells them ‘I will always love you’?

Jack · Mar 18, 2025

Kabone said:
I see it more equivalent to if a child chooses to ignore their loving parent, does the parent tie them to the bed, douse the house with gasoline, and just before they strike the match tells them ‘I will always love you’?

So Jesus was wrong when He warned us of "EVERLASTING FIRE", the furnace of fire, the lake of fire, Hell Fire???

Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER!

Taken · Mar 18, 2025

Jack said:
My main interest is defending the Bible and pulling people from the everlasting fire. Nothing more important than escaping Hell Fire.

Okay, So I’ll answer my own question.

Because while you want to promote for men to escape Hell…
You should know WHAT the whole of a man IS and WHAT is the LIFE of each part of the Whole of a man…
And WHAT God Offers TO Change regarding the Whole of a man and HOW to Receive that Offering.

The whole of a man is his:
Body
Soul
Spirit

The Spiritually Whole man…is WHEN:

A man begins with sincere Repentance, For Not having BEEN WITH God

The Whole of a man;
Willingly gives his natural Body and it’s Life (blood), unto Death to God, for God.

Willingly Accepts Gods Offering, for God To Restore the mans corrupt Soul and Keep it’s Life in his soul (Gods Breath).

Willingly Accepts Gods Offering, for God to CIRCUMCISE the mans Heart, plant Gods SEED with the mans Heart, and give that man Gods SPIRIT of TRUTH….effecting the RE-BIRTH of the mans natural spirit to a spiritual spirit., To be born of Gods Seed And forever, Keep Gods Life (“Seed” ) with in that man.

That such man was “CREATED” natural and has been “MADE”, by the willingness of the mans True Confessed Belief;
by, through, of the POWER of God, transformed FROM a Natural “whole” man TO a “spiritual WHOLE man.”
A ONE Time event, that is Forever (OSAS).

Glory to God,
Taken

Taken · Mar 18, 2025

Kabone said:
I see it more equivalent to if a child chooses to ignore their loving parent, does the parent tie them to the bed, douse the house with gasoline, and just before they strike the match tells them ‘I will always love you’?

God loves all of His Creations. Period.

God CAN NOT “MAKE” His Creations Love Him…
Any more than anyone can MAKE another Love them.

The bottom line is Simple…
God has a PLAN…a new house if you will…

New Heaven, New Earth, New Kingdom, New Rules (so to speak)….
No Death
No Disease
No Wars
No Famines
No Liars, Cheats, Thieves,
No Fearful Animals
No Laborious Days
No Planting, tilling, harvesting
More and more…

Not a big Secret…for the individual “human”who freely Chooses to Reject God…
ok…you can not occupy His “New”…House.
Their Consequence?
Destroyed and Forgotten

Angels have the Same Choice.
Their Consequence for Rejecting God?
Their Eternal Life IN Hell, with no Escape.

Angles begin their Life, A Spirit, which can Not Die.

Humans Do Not begin A Spirit, they Shall Die.
And Humans who Reject God, NEVER receive Gods Gift of a Spirit Born of Gods Seed, thus DO NOT Live Forever.

A “Dead thing with NO Life IN it , does not Live or Suffer.

Gods Grace extends to Humans who Reject Him…that they ARE NOT given Forever Spiritual Life…they Die, they feel nothing, they are Destroyed, Forgotten.

Jack · Mar 18, 2025

Taken said:
Okay, So I’ll answer my own question.

Because while you want to promote for men to escape Hell…
You should know WHAT the whole of a man IS and WHAT is the LIFE of each part of the Whole of a man…
And WHAT God Offers TO Change regarding the Whole of a man and HOW to Receive that Offering.

The whole of a man is his:
Body
Soul
Spirit

The Spiritually Whole man…is WHEN:

A man begins with sincere Repentance, For Not having BEEN WITH God

The Whole of a man;
Willingly gives his natural Body and it’s Life (blood), unto Death to God, for God.

Willingly Accepts Gods Offering, for God To Restore the mans corrupt Soul and Keep it’s Life in his soul (Gods Breath).

Willingly Accepts Gods Offering, for God to CIRCUMCISE the mans Heart, plant Gods SEED with the mans Heart, and give that man Gods SPIRIT of TRUTH….effecting the RE-BIRTH of the mans natural spirit to a spiritual spirit., To be born of Gods Seed And forever, Keep Gods Life (“Seed” ) with in that man.

That such man was “CREATED” natural and has been “MADE”, by the willingness of the mans True Confessed Belief;
by, through, of the POWER of God, transformed FROM a Natural “whole” man TO a “spiritual WHOLE man.”
A ONE Time event, that is Forever (OSAS).

Glory to God,
Taken

I truly doubt that any of that will matter to the BILLIONS of humans in the everlasting fire. Hell will be filled with humans who don't believe in Hell.

Hey You! · Mar 18, 2025

Jack said:
Revelation 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Yes @Jack, God Loves Hellions; he just Loves them less than he Loves the Saints...

Hey You! · Mar 18, 2025

Pearl said:
No Jack, I'm saying that the ones who 'burn in hell' were never God's children.

That's right @Pearl .Our "Becoming" a Child of God through 'Adoption', is a Fundamental Hermeneutic for Theology; thus we can never believe that God burns his Children in Hell even for one moment...

I'm a Fundamentalist. It tastes bitter to some, but Orthodoxy keeps Heterodoxy at bay. God 'Apapeo Loves' the World, but he doesn't 'Storge Love' the World. Look at it like this @Jack , suppose All are born Children of God; they still have to become the Bride of Christ. Storge Love is Familial Love; IE the Love a Father has for his Children, and the Love a Bridegroom has for his Bride. If anyone is not the Bride of Christ, God does NOT Storge Love that person; because the requirement to be Loved by God is to be welcomed into His Family...

God Loves that Hellion less, because he is not in a Covenant relationship with them as their Adopted Child through Faith; nor is he their Bridegroom by the same Means. And even worse, they are not God's Friend. Friendship with the World is ENMITY with God. Phileo Love is Brotherly Love; Abraham was a friend of God; the World isn't...

Saints/Believers receive the Agape, Storge and Phileo Love of God. The Greek word for God Hating Esau, means to 'Love less'. God Agapeo Loving the World, but not Phileo Loving the World, is God 'loving the World' less than God Loves the Saints; and this lesser love is Hatred. God Hates Sinners...

Be a Fundamentalist...

Jack · Mar 18, 2025

Proverbs 6:16-19
16 These six things the LORD hates, ...
19 A false witness who speaks lies,

Jack · Mar 18, 2025

Wrangler said:
For the record Revelation 20:10 does not refer to people but the devil and the beast, right?

Nah.

Does God love those He burns in Hell "Forever and Ever"?

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