Does God love those He burns in Hell "Forever and Ever"?
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Ronald David Bruno
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Actually the correct translation is "for ages and ages". Think about itnif that word meant eternity, it would tra slate for eternity and eternity. Aionios has variable meanings. When applied tjntemporal realms _ that will someday pass away _ it means ages, lifetimes, generations. When applied to God or His domain, it means eternity.
Back to doe God love reprobate? He did, bit after a certain time, let's them go. His judgment grieves Him, but it is not an act of love to destroy the world in a Flood, nor will it be an act of love when He judges the reprobate.
Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Rom. 1;24-25
Besides meeting Father and Jesus face to face, this is the event I look forward to the most.
To see the demonstration of God's love towards those in the lake of fire when they finally bend their knee in repentance and are reconciled to their God and Creator.
Awesome. I love God's mercy and grace. This event may be the greatest display of them ever.
I see your reasoning. So does God have the ability to stop the person from raping that child? If He doesn’t than maybe its out of God's control. But if God does, than He deliberately chooses to not intervene and chooses to let this horrendous acts from occurring, is it still on God. With great power comes great responsibility.
So it was God's decision to see to it that millions of people died in a flood.
A trillion years maybe? Your unBilical opinions do not overrule God of the Bible.
Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER!
Ronald David Bruno
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2 Peter 3:10 is one event, a moment in time, when the 1st heavens, 1st earth, Death, Hades and everyone in it are destroyed....talk about a BiG Bang!
More and more truth surfaces of why you forsook the Bible. You fell for Satan's Universalism HOAX!
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Yay! We agree on that. God does as He pleases, having no one to answer to or ask permission from.
Which God are you referring to? I'm referring to God of the Bible that you forsook.
Taken
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Jack -
People- a person is “a living manKIND of Body, with a Living Soul In that Body.”.
When the Body, (formed of the dust of the earth), mortally dies, it is returned to the dust of the Earth. It is dead because it’s Life (Blood) no longer functions.
The Living Soul, with ( with its Life, Gods Breath, ) departs out from the dead Body, and continues Living.
IF, the living soul IS Saved, it is escorted by angels to heaven, to wait in peace and comfort, with God, for Judgement day.
IF, the living soul is NOT Saved, it is sent to hell, to wait separated from God, in tortourus discomfort, for Judgement day.
(The spirit of man, is natural, born, of mans seed, learns, believes, it’s truth, without doubt, It is the Truth in a man’s Heart.
(which is different from, truths, lies, deception, ever changing mans Carnal Mind)
A man whose living soul Has been Saved, ALSO, receives, a Covenant with God.
The Hebrews/ Tribes, were First to receive the Covenant with God, By their WORD (confession of Belief / AND a “piece of their Body”, willingly Given unto Death, as A mrasure of good faith, of their Agreement WITH God, that their allegiance be to Him Alone, ie. their God.
( This introduced the circumcision of the Foreskin,).
OT gives one insight, and the NT, concurs, for any man Pledging his own Body unto Gods care. ( Death of his mortal body ), as well, be given to Gods care….requires that man. To willingly Condess his Belief, IN God….to God, from the mans Thoughts in his
God is Spirit.
Communication from man to God.
Is mans Spirit (Truth in his heart) to Gods Spirit, who IS TRUTH.
A mans truth (natural truth, born of a mans seed)…
However God has Offered manKIND, an Order and Way….to Have the mans “natural spirit”….re/born…quickened….born Again….
From Gods SEED.
That ACT, WORKS of God, is performed, in Secrecy, hidden from mans EYES.
That is a spiritual event of God circumcising the Mans Heart, giving the man a New Heart, AND a new Seed (Gods Seed) in the mans Heart, to birth that man A NEW TRUTH, Gods Truth.
The Spirit of Gods Truth, enters WITH-IN the new Heart, and Feeds , the mans Heart…Gods Truths and And Gods Understanding of His Truths.
In short called : Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
In short called: converted.
In short called: quickened, which means, a Spirit, born of Hods Seed, “can Never Die.”
Thus, when the mortal BODY of a man Dies, it rots, returns to the Earth from whence it came…
However…the Living Soul, with Gods Life (His breath)…;
Saved…goes to heaven.
UnSaved…goes to hell.
The spirit of man…
born Again of Gods Seed…goes to heaven.
Not born again…dies with natural body..
Unsaved living souls are present in hell.
Their dead body, dead truth (spirit)…rot returning to Dust.
More Details…regarding…mans…body, soul, spirit…during End of days as we have known them…. Climax to Judgement….of the Body, soul, spirit.
Soul saved, spirit quickened. Body risen in glory, to never again die.
Soul not saved, spirit dead, with natural body….
Living soul returned to natural body.
Body risen up, by life in the soul.
Body and soul Judged / Sentenced.
Life in Soul, returns to God…
Remains…?
Lifeless Body
Lifeless natural spirit
Lifeless Soul
Thrown into the lake of Fire- Destroyed- Forgotten.
Regarding angels( who ARE Spirits…can Not Die (just as a man with Gods Seed. A born again spirit, can not die)…
Such angels, having exercised their FREEWILL to be AGAINST God…can never Die…and there IS no forgiveness Offered for A SPIRIT Against God…Thus the Live Forever…in the torture of eternal Separation From God, in hell, in the Lake of Fire…with no power to escape.
Because Spirits (angels) Presently Have the power to appear to the Eyes of human men…AS a human man…
When Scripture notifies you…
The Beast AND the False Prophet Are thrown into the Lake of Fire…
You Should “understand”…
The Beast…is any “underhanded” nation / global Governor (Pres, King, whatever Title)…
And the “False Prophet”…is an “underhanded” global Religious Leader (whatever Title, Dali Lama, Imam, Pope)
…
Because of their global influences…Will be Bodily…entered with-in By Evil Spirits…to Direct Their… citizens, congregates … and Ultimately, such Spirits thrown into the Lake of Fire /As their Judgement / Sentence.
No Alive human body is tortured in hell.
No Alive Soul is thrown into the Lake of Fire.
No Alive spirit of man is thrown into the Lake of Fire.
God IS Just and full of Grace toward manKIND.
Even the man who Rejects God…shall have all LIFE removed from his, body, soul, spirit…Before his remains are Destroyed and forgotten.
(Different story and reason, Spirits Against God, are tortured forever).
Glory to God,
Taken
Luke 16:22-28 The rich man died and was buried.
23 And being in torments in Hell, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us. 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER!
I know for sure it will be as Jesus and God said, His promises to us He will do. God is not a liar.
He watches over His word to perform it.
If God was otherwise, none of what is written down for us you could trust. And men take His words and turn them into a mishmash and well, nothing of truth is left, it can become whatever they want to believe
Taken
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If you do not know The Who, what, when, why, where….you can confuse…Applications…to Humans that apply to spirits.
Celestial beings are spirits, they can not die.
Human , terrestrial, earthly, beings are a body. their body Shall Die. They have a spirit.
Their spirit shall die with their body….if their spirit is Not born again of Gods Seed.
The body also has a soul…it belongs to God, and it’s Life (Gods Breath) belongs to God.
Whatever your parents Named your Body….So Also does that Become The Name of the Soul God Blew with-in your body…and the Name of you spirit.
Your body, your thoughts, your heart, your word, your headache, your mind, your feet, the living soul with- in you, or Departed out of you dead body…
All are possessively” speaking about “your identity”
My heart, my headaches, my tired feet…or His stomach ache, his sorrow, he is sad, or rest his soul, oh his body was injured…
Possessive pronounces…about what is your identity…Whatever is or was IN you…is identified by your Name given your Body.
My name, my disease, my broken bone, my soul, my spirit, my achey body…
All possessive to one individual human kind of being.
Living Souls were having a conversation in hell.
All living souls depart dead body’s and continue Living…it’s Gods life in the souls.
They are called by their names.
Living souls;
Do not require Eyes, nose, ears, mouth, tongue, body …
To:
See, smell, hear, speak, taste, feel touch….<—- it’s a body that requires those things!
After Judgement Day…
Souls Saved continue Living.
Unsaved souls?
The life returns to God and their Lifeless Body (dead, no blood) and lifeless soul (Gods breath/ Life removed) Destroyed.
How do you conclude A lifeless body and lifeless soul, suffer torments Forever?
That is false.
Forever torments Applies to Spirits who rejected God, called Devils.
They can not die. They suffer Forever.
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
BILLIONS of humans will receive the exact same fate.
Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
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Taken
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Yes….because They HAVE Life IN them.
No….because they have NO life IN them
If a Living thing (that can not die) is thrown into a fire pit…since it can not die and has no Power to escape, it suffers forever.
If a lifeless Body and Lifeless soul is thrown into the same fire pit…HOW does something WITHOUT Life in it…
Suffer at all, let alone Forever?
soberxp
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Scripture please. 'Death' NEVER means 'cease to exist' in the Bible.
Why would Jesus make up a horror story using literal Biblical people?
Luke 16:22-28 The rich man died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hell, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'27 Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
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