Hell's Population Clock

Webers_Home said:

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● Rev 21:3-4 . . Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with
them. They will be His people, and God himself will be with them and be
their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more
death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed
away.

Much of the the tears, the mourning, the crying, and the pain will most
certainly be related to the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-
-15, which will likely be a public spectacle.

In other words: people will have to watch as friends, associates, and loved
ones are literally pale with terror, lips trembling, mouths too dry to speak,
shrieking, sobbing, screaming, weeping, yelping, and bellowing like wounded
dogs as their eyes dart about in sheer white-knuckled panic, desperately
looking for someone, anyone, to help them as powerful celestial beings drag
them off to a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of
molten iron.

The Bible says the lost will be given a fair trial (Jude 1:14-15) which
suggests some of us might be subpoenaed as witnesses for the prosecution
where we will have to testify not for. but instead, against people we know
and love; including our own kin, i.e. moms, dads, grandparents. brothers,
sisters, cousins, nephews and nieces, and quite possibly spouses too.

Paul said the greatest of all gifts is love (1Cor 13:13). But let me tell you
something: Love is inconvenient. Sensitive folk cannot sit through a scene
like the one described above and not be moved by it. The effect will be so
overwhelming that nothing less than the power of God will suffice to get
them over it.
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It won't be a long drawn-out affair. But apparently, we will be witnessing this.

Mathew 25 describes it, as does the great judgement at the end, where the old creation is swept away, right before the New Heavens and Earth appear, with the books being opened, the wicked are judged by their deeds.
While the righteous are not judged worthy of the second death due to their faith. We overcome the world by our faith in Christ who saves us from our sins.

Then the righteous enter into the kingdom created for them, with the wicked departing from God and the righteous into eternal punishment. They will be forcefully separated from God and us, as described by being cast alive into the lake of fire by the angels, we don't do that.

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Matthew 25
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [c]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

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41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer [d]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’

46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Here you go , more on this, the ones wailing and teeth gnashing are of those being cast alive into the lake of fire. So yes they are cast alive into fiery lake, conscious they are. We have the parable explained so as to understand what is happening at the end. But of course, not full details, this is a summary of the events at the Day of Judgment.

And the Tares are gathered first, contrary to how some say the righteous are gathered first, as in a rapture of the righteous years before the Day of Judgment. See these events all happen on the Last Day at the time of the harvest.

And the Tares, are not sown by the Son, they are sown by the Enemy, the Devil. People are what they are. The Son of Man sows the good seed in His field the world. If you are a believer in Christ, this means He sowed you, you are the handicraft of God.

The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares​

24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’

29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

The Parable of the Tares Explained​

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”

37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.

38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.

39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.

40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.

41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,

42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Webers_Home said:

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From what I gather: Matt 25:31-46 takes place on earth. The location for
Rev 20:11-15 isn't given except that it won't be on earth.

Rev 20:11-15 will take into consideration every sin on the books, whereas
Matt 25:31-46 will only concern itself with anti-Semitism.

In addition, no dead are resurrected for Matt 25:31-46, whereas all the dead
are resurrected for Rev 20:11-15.
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it is all part of the same event. Which occurs at the end of the age (world)
Rev 20
Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.

There is only one LAST DAY, and one final judgement.

And it does not take place on earth as at this time earth is gone, as is heaven.
IT does happen at Christ's return, the destruction of the world, the judgement, and the creation of the new earth and new heaven.

Example

2 Tim 4
I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom:

Scott Downey said:

Example

2 Tim 4
I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom:

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and what was his charge
TO PREACH THE WORD to be INSTANT in season and out of season ,to reprove and rebuke................
march on in the trenches my friend . The end will surely come . The hour is late
and all who denied Christ will wail .
Those who hate truth do not love TRUTH and GOD IS , CHRIST is , THE SPIRIT is TRUTH
as is HIS every word . Put on , strap on , all armour in these last days . Times will only increase in delusion
and the sour bud ripens even now as we speak . The vine of the earth will be cast into the great winepress of the wrath of GOD
all might and of the LAMB . And by sorry doctrine , by lies , by fables this leaders decieve this people
and worse many love to have it so . The delusion is going viral now and will get worse . Time to stand and contend
as all saints have through all ages , firm to the end . contend for the true faith
and remind all of the dire importance of knowing the scrips . March on through the trenches
our work is not in vain in the LORD . Souls are in deadly danger of hell fire for they sit under men
who have twisted and formed pretzel doctrines by which if a man do eat will surely destroy him .

Webers_Home said:

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From what I gather: Matt 25:31-46 takes place at the end of the seven-year
tribulation when Christ returns to earth in person to set up his 1,000 year
theocratic kingdom-- a.k.a. the millennium. In point of fact, the folks
gathered for Matt 25:31-46 will consist of tribulation survivors.

Also from what I gather: Rev 20:11-15 takes place 1,000 years later on
down the road after Matt 25:31-46 following the completion of Christ's
theocratic kingdom.
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Except, the saints who die in the flesh are alive with eternal life from the moment they believe in Christ.
And go into heaven and reign with Him that very day and onwards. They do NOT need to come to life to reign with Him in heaven as they are already alive having eternal life. (John 5:24). Their millennial reign is also in heaven and not on the earth.

A thousand years is used to signify a long time, but this is figurative. That reigning in heaven is for every saint who died in the Lord
We are made to sit in heavenly places right now as kings and priests to God, not in the future. And those who are martyred have a special place they go in heaven. BUT ALL believers do reign with Him in heaven as kings and priests as they overcome this world by their faith as a current reality.

Revelation 1
To Him who [b]loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us [c]kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

There is no scriptural evidence saying the 1000 years occurs on the earth.

The first resurrection is Christ the first fruits. He is in heaven, God raised Him up and glorified HIM first. before us. In all things Christ is preeminent.
Then Christ raised US up together with Him as in brought us into heaven, we ascended with Christ into heaven, and rule with Him there a 'thousand years', which is symbolic, not literally a thousand years.

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Read for confirmation Ephesians 2:6-7

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
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The verses here do not say they came to life again, which would be unscriptural as they have eternal life and do not need to come to life again. The unbelievers are dead and do need to come to life again and are subject to the second death on the Day of Judgement.
But believers are separated from that.

John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Rev 20, v5 'the rest of the dead' are subject to the second death in the lake of fire, but not a single saved person is.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.


The first resurrection is Christ. not us. We are not yet having a glorified body, even when in heaven reigning as kings and priests unto God.
We get our resurrection when Christ returns to judge the world.
All people are resurrected together on the Last Day. not before. The Last Day is the Resurrection and the Day of Judgement, the Age of the Resurrection.


John 6:39
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

John 6:40
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54
Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:24
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

John 12:48
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

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You cannot have the judgement of the wicked and the resurrection of the dead happening at separate times separated by 3.5 years as that is unscriptural, does not agree with Christ and Paul's words., Christ judges the living and the dead at His appearing, on the LAST DAY.
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2 Tim 4
I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom:

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This other raising Paul teaches is NOT OUR resurrection, but His resurrection, He is the first resurrection.
Everyone who believes has been raised in a first resurrection with Christ, but it is not our own resurrection yet, we are not yet glorified as He is when we believe in Christ. We don't yet have a glorified body, but we are raised with Christ. Maybe some can comprehend this.

Colossians 2
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body [a]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

Colossians 3

If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

Ephesians 2

6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

Jesus never taught a literal thousand year reign with Him on the earth. Or a separate rapture first from a latter appearing.

Jesus did teach like this about the tribulation and rapture

Mark 13

The Great Tribulation​

14 “So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ [f]spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house, nor enter to take anything out of his house. 16 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 17 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 18 And pray that your flight may not be in winter. 19 For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be. 20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days.

21 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it. 22 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the [g]elect. 23 But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand.

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24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His [h]elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.

Webers_Home said:

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To the best of my knowledge thus far; Jesus is on track to return to
Jerusalem seven years after the rapture to set up the theocratic kingdom
predicted in the old testament, and of course everyone unified with him will
return too. Well; I for one plan on taking some time off to visit all the sights
I missed this time around.

For example, the only foreign country I've ever been to is Mexico and even
then just the border towns of Tijuana and Tecate so I have a lot to catch up
on; that's if anything is left. It appears to me from accounts in the book of
Revelation that the world will undergo catastrophic damage during the
interim between the rapture and when the Lord gets back so I may be in for
some disappointment on a few fronts.

But what the hay; at least I won't be on the wrong side of things with that
myriad of lost souls down below who have nothing to look forward to except
the great white throne event depicted by Rev 20:11-15.

Oh! and another thing; according to Matt 26:29, Luke 22:15-16, and Luke
22:28 30, folks who make the cut for the kingdom will be able to dine upon
ordinary foods and beverages. Just imagine the pleasure of touring the world
and tasting samples of cuisine in every culture on earth; and in perfect
safety too because according to Isa 2:4 there won't be any war zones to
worry about; and Isa 11:6-9 suggests that danger from the animal kingdom
will no longer be a concern.

FAQ: What is the purpose of the rapture?

REPLY: It's primarily an evacuation.

For example Rev 16:17-18 predicts a global earthquake so overwhelming on
the Richter scale that cities all over the world will collapse at once.

Something like 2,829 lost their lives when the World Trade Center was
demolished by a terrorist attack in 2001. Well that was only a few acres of
New York City. Just imagine the body count when all of Manhattan comes
down at once. along with other major cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco,
Mexico City, Paris, Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, et al.

The carnage will be beyond belief; and that's just one of the many
apocalyptic events set to take place.
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The rapture as taught today is an end time delusion. The church from the beginning did not believe anything like what has been taught by Darby in 1830, it was a new doctrine.

And add in the 3rd Jewish temple to be built where animal sacrifices to God will be accepted during the millennial reign is another new false doctrine of the end times.

All the Left Behind books are Christian fiction.

Webers_Home said:

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FAQ: Did Jesus ever instruct anyone to pray to himself?

REPLY: Yes.

● Matt 11:28-29 . . Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I
will give you rest.

● John 4:10-14 . .If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for
a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living
water.

● John 7:37 . . On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and
said in a loud voice; "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink."

When Jesus says "come" and/or "ask" he expects his audiences to
reciprocate with an RSVP.

● John 5:39 . . .You diligently study the scriptures because you think that by
them you possess eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about
me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

NOTE: Prayer can be thought of as rapport: defined as a friendly relationship
marked by ready communication and mutual understanding; which is the
opposite of Matt 7:22-23 wherein Jesus informs a number of super-pious
individuals that he never knew them, i.e. they somehow failed to initiate an
intimate, person-to-person, association with the one man in Christianity that
matters most.

Pop Clock Update: 4,717 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 259,887,832
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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In a strange way the large increasing numbers you keep recording serves to bring long term hope and expectation to me.

Reason being, ALL these that end up in the lake of fire as John describes it, will at one point in time, repent, be forgiven, be reconciled and serve their Creator.

What a grand reunion and homecoming! I can't wait to see this event.

So greater the number, greater the impact it will produce.

These are the one who have sinned much, have been forgiven much and will love much.

Webers_Home said:

I can't imagine the profound sadness I might experience from looking out
across the lake of fire and observing folks floating around out there like
apples in a bobbing tub realizing that some of them could very possibly be
loved ones.

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Yet can you imagine the God and Creator you have gotten to know would keep your family members in this place you have imagined without any chance of parole or pardon?

My God is into correction, transformation, forgiveness, mercy and grace. I'm so glad He will in time redeem and reconcile all your family from the lake of fire.

I agree that doing time for one's crime is necessary to bring beings to repentance. I have no doubts whatsoever that your family and all of Adam's family will eventually develop a repentant heart.

Lucifer, the devil, Satan and his angels will also. They will return to their Creator and be reconciled to Him forever.

It would be wonderful if these loved ones didn't have to spend any time in that horrible place.