Does God love those He burns in Hell "Forever and Ever"?
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Stick with the Bible so you don't burn in Hell FOREVER with the Devil. Start with the New Covenant that Jesus provided with His Blood!
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YES! I do hear voices. I have been listening to Jesus for a long time so I have gotten to know Him and when it's Him communicating with me. Plus I have confidence in His ability to make sure I have heard and understood what He is saying.
I have been given faith to believe in Jesus. This was when God the Father of Jesus first opened my eyes to see my sin, then He opened my eyes to see His Sacraficial Lamb Who died for my sins. I put my faith in the fact that His death paid for all my sin. As in the words of that great hymn, It is well with my soul. Why? Because, my sin, oh, the bliss of this glorious thought my sin, not in part but the whole is nailed to the cross and I bear it no more praise the Lord, praise the Lord, oh, my soul!
Ever since then, 35 years ago I have been on an amazing journey with my precious Saviour, Redeemer and Lord Jesus Christ. We have had many conversations together over that time. So we have gotten to know eachother pretty well. He knows my voice and I recognise His. I have no interest in hearing nor entertaining what Satan has to say.
But my Jesus, that's a completely different story. I listen out for Him and when He speaks I listen and respond.
IOW, you don't know if it's Satan talking to you! That's why God gave us the Bible , to recognize Satan!
You can read your Bible in order to recognise Satan.
I'll keep journeying with the Spirit of Christ Who Father sent to me so I can hear Them and continue loving Them. Why? Because I recognise Them Who loved me first and redeemed me from my life of sin.
I definatly don't need a book to maintain my relationship with Them. We simply have eachother. Its truly that simple. Sheep don't need to consult a book in order to follow their shepherd. Nor do they need to consult a scroll to recognise who's not their shepherd. They just listen to the voice.
For you, at least, consider the instructions in the book that you consult. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says.
Before Christ saved you that is where you deserved to be. With believers in Christ, they don't get what they deserve, they have received mercy from God to be saved. We have the righteousness of faith
Hebrews 8 and our new covenant written in Christ's blood. And if you are not a member of this covenant, you do not know God, and God does not know you either. Christ's blood shed for many but not all. His blood washes away the sins of those who believe in Christ, but only for them is the forgiveness of sins. The others are going to perish in an eternal hell fire. His blood atonement is a sign of the New Covenant. We who believe have the atonement (forgiveness) of our sins, while the unbelieving do not have the blood of the atonement applied to their sins. The unbelieving experience the awesome and terrible wrath of God.
Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin, and then the blood of the sacrifice must be sprinkled on the people.
So you see this was part of the OC sacrifices for the people and today we have that blood sacrifice for our sins in the death of Christ, but it must be applied to a person, or it does nothing to forgive them, it actually seals them into wrath as they have rejected the blood of God's new covenant in Christ.
The blood of sprinkling
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the [a]pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace be multiplied.
John 3
9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”
10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
- Matthew 26:28
For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission ofsins.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Mark 14:24
And He said to them, “This is My blood of the newcovenant, which is shed for many.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - 1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
Hebrews 8
The New Priestly Service
Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the [a]sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Luke 7
A Sinful Woman Forgiven
36 Then one of the Pharisees asked Him to eat with him. And He went to the Pharisee’s house, and sat down to eat. 37 And behold, a woman in the city who was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at the table in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster flask of fragrant oil, 38 and stood at His feet behind Him weeping; and she began to wash His feet with her tears, and wiped them with the hair of her head; and she kissed His feet and anointed them with the fragrant oil. 39 Now when the Pharisee who had invited Him saw this, he spoke to himself, saying, “This Man, if He were a prophet, would know who and what manner of woman this is who is touching Him, for she is a sinner.”40 And Jesus answered and said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.”
So he said, “Teacher, say it.”
41 “There was a certain creditor who had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. 42 And when they had nothing with which to repay, he freely forgave them both. Tell Me, therefore, which of them will love him more?”
43 Simon answered and said, “I suppose the one whom he forgave more.”
And He said to him, “You have rightly judged.” 44 Then He turned to the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave Me no water for My feet, but she has washed My feet with her tears and wiped them with the hair of her head. 45 You gave Me no kiss, but this woman has not ceased to kiss My feet since the time I came in. 46 You did not anoint My head with oil, but this woman has anointed My feet with fragrant oil. 47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”
48 Then He said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
49 And those who sat at the table with Him began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”
50 Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”
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Dan Clarkston
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Well none the less there is a hell
So do you think God so loved the world that he sent evil to destroy us all???
If the Lord wanted to destroy man, He never would have sent Jesus...
It's his will that all men be saved, not destroyed so shouldn't you have a more balanced message frequently reminding people they can / should repent of any sinful stuff they are involved with and get right with the Lord
Or is it that you are taking pleasure is people going to hell and not repenting?
Reckon Jesus... FAILED.... to provide His Word to mankind and nothing in the Bible is
true and there's no Jesus and we're all just on our way to hell and there is no salvation???
If so you be wasting yo time talkin about the Lord because without His written Word you have no basis for believing He even exists at all
God spoke them in to existence... like in Genesis when He said Light be... and light was.
God did... this is what He said in His Word and those the love and honor the Lord... accept His Word
Those that don't.... don't.
The devil tells people they need extra biblical knowledge... which is how we got all the false religions all claiming to be true.
We can see how the devil operates in the Book of Genesis when the Lord told them not to eat of that tree and if they did they would die..... we see the devil come along and question the truthfulness of what God said to impart doubt to Adam and Eve and then he offered his own commentary which was false information added to what God said.
That's how 'ol slewfoot operates and he';s still doing that today
No to say there is not a boatload of truth in the old testament... because there is.
Jesus said...the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13), and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)
So there is only ONE Voice to hear and that's the Holy Ghost.... and Jesus He would lead us in to all Truth and that God's Word is Truth.... without God's written m Word one has no way of know if the "voice" they are hearing is the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.... or demons.
Nobody would even know there is a Jesus or that there is salvation thru Him if not for God's written Word.
The devil has done a very effective job at getting people to not believe God had all that He wants man to know put in written form.... which opens the door for more satanic deception
Yep!
Not all of us. Some of us believe and serve Him.
But BILLIONS reject Jesus/God of the Bible.
Scripture please.
If it was my pleasure I wouldn't relay God's warnings. I would just let them continue to Hell.
Mt 7 Narrow is the way that leads to life and FEW there be who find it.
Few? Yeah like the Genesis Flood. Only 8 on Earth was saved. Like Sodom, only 3 were saved.
There's PLENTY of proof!
Romans 1:20
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
Dan Clarkston
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That does not mean the Lord did not provide salvation for each and every person.
The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)
God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)
God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)
Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)
In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.
See list above
Again... does not mean it's God's will that only fee find it.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
The false brethren that follow teachings of that unrepentant murderer John Calvin sadly do not accept the whole counsel of God... they be scripture twisters and cherry pickers!
Without God's written Word.... one is left with the lies of satan concerning salvation
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
The devil also acknowledges that God exists, so what? Big deal!
Just looking at nature man can and should know God exists.... that doesn't get them saved.
Romans 10:14
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
This is why Jesus tells His people in the Great Commission to go out in to all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Dan Clarkston
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Here's the WHY....
2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Dan Clarkston
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OSAS is false doctrine.... I never said that was true or even mentioned that doctrine of demons.
Dan Clarkston
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But not on the calvinism part tho.... calvinism is a demonic trick of the devil to deceive people
Dan Clarkston
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Earlier when I said "It's his will that all men be saved", you asked for scriptures for that.
Only those that believe in the false doctrine of limited atonement would ask for scriptures showing it's God's will that all be saved. Just because the majority of people go to hell does not mean that it's God's will not does it mean God decided some folks will be assigned to hell before they are even born with no opportunity for salvation.
That unrepentant murderer John Calvin taught that it's God's will that only a few be saved which is not true according to what God says in His Word
One cannot be a Christian and believe the lies of that unrepentant murderer John Calvin
So, I hope you aren't following his satanic scripture twisting and cherry pickin... it does not end well
Only those that believe in the false doctrine of limited atonement would ask for scriptures showing it's God's will that all be saved. Just because the majority of people go to hell does not mean that it's God's will not does it mean God decided some folks will be assigned to hell before they are even born with no opportunity for salvation.
That unrepentant murderer John Calvin taught that it's God's will that only a few be saved which is not true according to what God says in His Word
One cannot be a Christian and believe the lies of that unrepentant murderer John Calvin
So, I hope you aren't following his satanic scripture twisting and cherry pickin... it does not end well
I believe God is totally righteous. And He said only a FEW will be saved.
I don't know anything about Calvin. I gave up on others' opinions decades ago.
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