Does God love those He burns in Hell "Forever and Ever"?

soberxp said:

This is the world,so what to do?

Authoritative religious institutions defined doctrine as dead and then taught a group of people how to understand because of the wrong things. Do not complain that atheists do not believe, because the wrong things, people instinctively resist, I believe that the spirit of God is living in everyone,if not so we are dead already.

False prophets are among us, they distort the word of God, They're blocking the road of life, and that is the result of the world today.

So what to do?

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Welcome soberxp!

The prophecies were given of false teachers teaching destructive doctrines, and the believing of a lie causing strong delusion and great apostacy. Beginning with the church fathers, the church has attempted to rid the church of heresies, which continues to this day. Unfortunately, as @Scott Downey pointed out, most looked for heresies in others, and not within their own teachings. And so, yes, here we are in a world where the wrong things, have and still are, indeed the cause of great apostacy just as it was foretold.

Instead of suspecting heresies and errors to be great and even among themselves, the church has believed they have, and continue to stop all heresy at the door, and therefore think they are on the right path--when they are not--because they have not suspected that they too could be under the same false teachings which were already being taught early on within the church. If they would have taken the warnings to heart, the church leaders of these past centuries would have expected to go through the times of heresies and anticipated the need for corrections--which the scriptures also foretold. But they have not, and still insist that no correction is needed except their correction of others. Which means the promise of also being lead unto all truth and the finish of the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets, is instead a rerun not unlike the error of the Priests and Pharisees who rejected Messiah: Their rejection of Christ in the flesh, and our own rejection of Him in the spirit--which He also foretold.

But who has seen it coming?

Jack said:

What will He do to those He hates?

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Well, let us know when you get there!

WE who believe have the great Shepherd Christ as OUR Shepherd who is the head of the sheep. There are sheep and there are goats, there are no sheep goats. The goats do not have the great Shepherd of the sheep, they follow another.

All shall give account to God for the things done in the body and receive either good or bad. For believers it was a good thing to have believed in His Son, Christ.

We believe as that is the work of God that you believe in Him whom He sent.
God does His work in us and that is why we believed.

See here how Jesus says this,

John 3
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

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Their deeds were done in God. As in God was working in them

Another example, because God loved US, God saved US, giving to us an understanding to know Him who is true.

1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

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v10 here refers also to John 3:21
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Ephesians 2
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

soberxp said:

This is the world,so what to do?

Authoritative religious institutions defined doctrine as dead and then taught a group of people how to understand because of the wrong things. Do not complain that atheists do not believe, because the wrong things, people instinctively resist, I believe that the spirit of God is living in everyone,if not so we are dead already.

False prophets are among us, they distort the word of God, They're blocking the road of life, and that is the result of the world today.

So what to do?

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The Spirit of God living within a person, that promise from Jesus is only for His people.

16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [a]Helper, that He may abide with you forever—

17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

And what to do, is simply tell people the truth, following the acts of the apostles. You cannot make anyone believe, only God can open the heart to heed the things a true Christian tells them.

The apostles preached the message of the gospel to all, but God made it come alive only to the ones He chose to hear and understand the message.
Acts 16

13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there. 14 Now a certain woman named Lydia heard us. She was a seller of purple from the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God. The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul. 15 And when she and her household were baptized, she begged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” So she persuaded us.


Acts 13

Blessing and Conflict at Antioch​

42 [n]So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us:

‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles,
That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”
48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

49 And the word of the Lord was being spread throughout all the region. 50 But the Jews stirred up the devout and prominent women and the chief men of the city, raised up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from their region. 51 But they shook off the dust from their feet against them, and came to Iconium. 52 And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.

Scott Downey said:

And what to do, is simply tell people the truth, following the acts of the apostles. You cannot make anyone believe, only God can open the heart to heed the things a true Christian tells them.

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It’s not that we can’t convince everyone to believe, but rather that many interpretations of biblical teachings today are simply wrong. It’s hard for people to accept something that’s incorrect. Trust me, I know what I’m talking about.

Consider the early disciples and apostles—why did so many believe when they preached the Gospel? I’ve pondered this for a long time, and it took me years to realize: they spoke truth without error. But things changed after the seven churches began to falter (Revelation 2–3). Since then, distortions have crept in.

soberxp said:

It’s not that we can’t convince everyone to believe, but rather that many interpretations of biblical teachings today are simply wrong. It’s hard for people to accept something that’s incorrect. Trust me, I know what I’m talking about.

Consider the early disciples and apostles—why did so many believe when they preached the Gospel? I’ve pondered this for a long time, and it took me years to realize: they spoke truth without error. But things changed after the seven churches began to falter (Revelation 2–3). Since then, distortions have crept in.

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The closer we stick to what the scripture actually says and not what man says, the closer we are to the truth of what God speaks from His heart to us. Otherwise, we are just making up stuff, adding on and taking away from what God says. Still God is merciful, but not to the false teachers and false prophets. We are warned for not many of us to be teachers, as they will incur a stricter judgement.

Jack said:

Like God's mercy when He drowned all on Earth but 8, making them an example? The Bible say more about God's wrath than His love!

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The thing is is that the contents of the bible only span from creation of this physical creation to the coming of the New Jerusalem.

But it doesn't provide details how the Creator made the angels nor what we are going to do once we move into the New Jerusalem and for eternity.

Thankfully the Spirit of God has been revealing more. And it is truly amazing. The twists in God's blockbuster movie is incredible. The things we experience in this life on this planet is like nothing compared to what awaits us in the future everlasting kingdom of God when He reconciles all things to Himself and rules over all forever without end.

Jack said:

God created everything by His Word.

Gen 1:3 "God said"
Gen 1:6 "God said"
Gen 1:9 "God said"
Gen 1:11 "God said"
Gen 1:14 "God said"
Gen 1:20 "God said"
Gen 1:24 "God said"
Gen 1:28 "God said"

Psalm 33:6
6 By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

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Where and what are the details of the angels being created? Certainly not provided by those who contributed to the bibles. Maybe they received detailed revelation but weren't allowed to record them. Maybe God revealed them to others who didn't have the means of recording them.

The bibles do not contain or deliver all truth.

The Spirit of Truth does have access to all truth (in Christ, not the bibles) and is in the process of delivering it to us.

Jack said:

Psalm 33:6
6 By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

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That doesn't give any of the details of how He went about doing that? It's only a general statement.

One 2 question said:

Where and what are the details of the angels being created? Certainly not provided by those who contributed to the bibles. Maybe they received detailed revelation but weren't allowed to record them. Maybe God revealed them to others who didn't have the means of recording them.

The bibles do not contain or deliver all truth.

The Spirit of Truth does have access to all truth (in Christ, not the bibles) and is in the process of delivering it to us.

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Jack said:

If you think God is gonna come to your home and draw you a picture don't count on it.

Psalm 33:6
6 By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

That tells us all we need to know about it.

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I'm curios, who told you that is all we need to know about it?

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Jack said:

Better question: Who told you it isn't?

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I did not make the statement, you did. So tell your other readers who may also be curious, who told you that is all we need to know about it (how God created the angels)?

Jack said:

Very evasive! Again, who told you the Bible isn't all Christians need to know about God?

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Again, I did not make the statement, you did. So tell your other readers who may also be curious, who told you that is all we need to know about it (how God created the angels)?

Jack said:

Very evasive! Again, who told you the Bible isn't all Christians need to know about God?

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I hear directly from Jesus Who I listen out for. This was recorded in the bible you read. I receive revelations from my Father Who Created all things and will reconcile all things to Himself. The Spirit of Truth continues to bring the thoughts and word of God to me that is beyond what is contained in the bible.

I have no genuine desire of forsaking this practice of relating with my Father directly and going back to exclusively studying a book, the bible.

If Father hasn't developed this type of direct relationship with you, then I'd encourage you to stick with what you know but also try and practice listening to Father, to Jesus and Their Spirit within you that may very well come from beyond the pages of the bible.