How many baptisms are there? Just one

Wick Stick said:

The 3 participants are (a) God, (b) the believer, and (c) the church.

* As regards the believer, he changes his mind to agree with God. To some, this is "a baptism of repentance," or "John's baptism."
* As regards the church, they accept the adoption of a new brother (or sister) into their ranks. To some, this is "water baptism."
* As regards God, He regenerates the believer by the Spirit. To some, this is "spirit baptism."

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Is this in regards to water baptism, or is there a broader view to consider?

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Wick Stick said:

Yes, water baptism... but there's only one baptism... the water part is about 1/3 of it.

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Do you see the water aspect as being a ceremonial/physical/public expression,
representative of the spiritual reality and transactional benefits?

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Its when we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit which you can do nothing without you are lost without the Holy Spirit.Being born again you receive the spirit of God within you to guild you who is Jesus and the Father.You welcome them in to your temple.

PGS11 said:

Its when we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit which you can do nothing without you are lost without the Holy Spirit.Being born again you receive the spirit of God within you to guild you who is Jesus and the Father.You welcome them in to your temple.

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This topic is about baptism. Can you speak to that?

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Wick Stick said:

Luk 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

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That was John's baptism.

Acts 19:1-7 NIV
While Apollos was at Corinth,
Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus.
There he found some disciples
2 and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when[a] you believed?”
They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
3 So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”
“John’s baptism,” they replied.
4 Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance.
He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.”
5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them,
and they spoke in tongues[b] and prophesied.
7 There were about twelve men in all.

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Wick Stick said:

In Ephesians, Paul identifies just one baptism:

4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
However, it was recently pointed out in another thread here that at least 2 baptisms are known to many of us, perhaps even 3. How do we square up water baptism, and the baptism in the Holy Ghost?
I postulate that there's just one baptism, but there are 3 participants in the baptism, and each has a part to play. When we identify 3 baptisms, perhaps we're really just identifying 3 aspects of the same single thing.
The 3 participants are (a) God, (b) the believer, and (c) the church.
* As regards the believer, he changes his mind to agree with God. To some, this is "a baptism of repentance," or "John's baptism."
* As regards the church, they accept the adoption of a new brother (or sister) into their ranks. To some, this is "water baptism."
* As regards God, He regenerates the believer by the Spirit. To some, this is "spirit baptism."
But aren't these all facets of the same event, by which a person is transformed by being adopted as a son of God?
I think our confusion is because all 3 don't always happen at the same time.

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First, Hebrews 6:2 speaks of baptisms plural.
The baptism with the Holy Spirit is the only baptism
performed by Jesus Himself, and it should be understood
as a baptism of anointing (for ministry of some kind).
Also, no believer can receive any of the 9 spiritual (power) gifts (of 1 Cor 12)
to any powerful extent ... without having the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
Please note: the gift of faith in 1 Cor 12 has nothing to do with
being born again ... it is a gift of super faith for the Lord's purposes.

John Zain said:

First, Hebrews 6:2 speaks of baptisms plural.

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Good post, but further investigation reveals that Hebrews 6:2 (in reference to baptisms) is about Jewish cleansing ceremonies.



Strong's Lexicon
baptismos: Baptism, washing
Original Word: βαπτισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: baptismos
Pronunciation: bap-tis-MOS
Phonetic Spelling: (bap-tis-mos')

Definition: Baptism, washing

Meaning: dipping, washing (of a ceremonial character).
Word Origin: Derived from the Greek verb βαπτίζω (baptizō), meaning "to dip" or "to immerse."
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: The Hebrew equivalent often associated with ritual washings is טָבַל (tabal), Strong's Hebrew 2881, which means "to dip" or "to immerse."

Usage: The term "baptismos" refers to the act of washing or cleansing, often through immersion in water. In the New Testament, it is used to describe both ritual washings and the Christian ordinance of baptism, symbolizing purification and initiation into the faith.

Cultural and Historical Background: In Jewish tradition, ritual washings were common for purification purposes, as prescribed in the Mosaic Law. These washings were a part of daily life and religious observance. In the New Testament context, "baptismos" takes on a new significance with the ministry of John the Baptist, who called for repentance and baptized individuals as a sign of their commitment to a new way of life. Christian baptism, as instituted by Jesus and practiced by the early church, symbolizes the believer's identification with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, marking their entry into the Christian community.

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The gift of supernatural faith which comes by divine heart revelation, is when our spirit has been Born Again, which is a Living supernatural spiritual rebirth....only the Living Spirit can bring our spirit Alive..the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God..

I think you will find that everyone experiences the rebirth very differently..mine was like a bolt of lightning, that came completely out of the blue...God made himself known to my spirit, by His Living testimony the Living Holy Spirit, that’s when my spirit became Born Again.

I have also received power when sent on a mission by God, he has spoken through me to another believer...wether that was an anointing or being baptised to speak on his behalf I’m not sure.....all I know is, when I spoke to the other believer, I knew it was in Gods strength...that was around 8 months ago...at the moment I believe I am waiting for the outcome...plus we all know, we can’t rush God, he is in complete control of the situation..I now have great peace over the situation, that was a very long time coming.

God has shown me that I can trust him 100%...that’s taken 33 years to understand..Jesus put his full trust in God right from the beginning, I’ve had to learn to do that..as I’ve grown and matured in the spirit.

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12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

Wick Stick said:

Immersion is for the church. Immersion is meant to be a recognition by the church that they have received a new adoptee. It makes clear who is "One of Us." The baptizee doesn't receive a direct benefit... only an indirect one from his association with the group.

Repentance is for the convert - he receives a direct benefit from believing. Yes, repentance is part & parcel of baptism:

Luk 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

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I don't have time to read all the threads so I apologize if I am repeating this.

I believe that scripture tells us that there is only one Baptism for salvation. The baptism of The Holy Spirit. AS you know water baptism does not save you nor washes you clean. going to church does not save you, quoting or reading or teaching scripture does not save you, calling on Jesus once does not save you. We are saved when we surrender in belief to who Jesus is and repent (turn away from our sin and turn to Him) and live to be obedient because we believe in what He has said and shown us.

There is One God, One Baptism, One Faith.