Anti-incarnationists.

Magdala · Feb 26, 2025

Some anti-incarnationists, such as @TheHC, not only believe that Jesus isn't God, but also believe that God is incapable of incarnating Himself as a human being.

I'm asking him, and others who share this belief, to give their explanation for why God is incapable of incarnating Himself as a human.

Thank you in advance.

Aunty Jane · Feb 26, 2025

LuxMundi said:
Some, such as @TheHC and @Aunty Jane, believe that God is incapable of incarnating Himself as a human being.

I'm asking them, and others who share this belief, to give their explanation for why God is incapable of incarnating Himself as a human.

Thank you in advance.

No idea why you need to bait people into pointless conversations with you…?

We have been through this several times….God is “capable” of anything he wants, but the question is why would he need to incarnate himself as a human, when the redemption price set by him does not require it.

All Jesus needed to be was sinless…a perfect equivalent of Adam, which is why he is called “the last Adam”.
His life paid for what Adam lost for us. God is not and never could be the equivalent of Adam.

God is immortal and so he would not incarnate himself as a human because he cannot die. It’s a simple concept….”a life for a life” was God’s law…..only a sinless mortal life could pay the ransom price.
God was sinless…but he was not, and could not be mortal, no matter what shape he took.

Why so you think he “sent“ his son?

APAK · Feb 26, 2025

LuxMundi said:
Some, such as @TheHC and @Aunty Jane, believe that God is incapable of incarnating Himself as a human being.

I'm asking them, and others who share this belief, to give their explanation for why God is incapable of incarnating Himself as a human.

Thank you in advance.

Before that, can you first provide the details of what you actually believe in: the process, the mechanics of how a supposed pre-existent being of one person/personality retained its integrity of that same previous existence in addition and in union with a new human existence, and at the same time, managed to be conceived within a human body, and come out human male baby. And why and how would the Triune God do such a complex thing to go to the Cross and die for our sins. And who was in charge and oversaw of the entire operation, the Father, the Son or the Spirit. Or all three were in charge at the same time without any delegation?

Magdala · Feb 26, 2025

APAK said:
Before that, can you first provide the details of what you actually believe in: the process, the mechanics of how a supposed pre-existent being of one person/personality retained its integrity of that same previous existence in addition and in union with a new human existence, and at the same time, managed to be conceived within a human body, and come out human male baby. And why and how would the Triune God do such a complex thing to go to the Cross and die for our sins. And who was in charge and oversaw of the entire operation, the Father, the Son or the Spirit. Or all three were in charge at the same time without any delegation?

I can provide details, which come from the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as They dictated them to Maria Valtorta. I'll present them in another thread. This thread is about the beliefs of anti-incarnationists. Do you believe that God is capable or incapable of incarnating Himself as a human?

Magdala · Feb 26, 2025

Aunty Jane said:
[...] God is “capable” of anything he wants [...]

I'm relieved that you believe God is capable of incarnating Himself as a human.

Aunty Jane said:
All Jesus needed to be was sinless…a perfect equivalent of Adam [...] God is not and never could be the equivalent of Adam.

If a sinless human is the perfect equivalent of Adam, then why would God not be the perfect equivalent of Adam when He is sinless, and capable of incarnating Himself as a human?

Aunty Jane said:
God is immortal [...]

God is immortal in spirit form, because spirits are incorporeal, and thus are not subject to the limit of physical death.

Aunty Jane said:
God [...] could not be mortal [...]

You said that God is capable of incarnating Himself as a human, and humans are mortal, and thus how can you also say that God couldn't be a mortal? Are you saying that God is capable of incarnating Himself as a human, but incapable of undergoing physical death as a human?

TrevorHL · Feb 26, 2025

Greetings LuxMundi,

LuxMundi said:
This thread is about the beliefs of non-incarnationists. Do you believe that God is capable or incapable of incarnating Himself as a human?

Incapable. God does not act inconsistently with his character, his purpose, his ways and his revealed word. Jesus was a human, the Son of God by birth Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35, John 1:14.

Kind regards
Trevor

Magdala · Feb 26, 2025

TrevorHL said:
Incapable. God does not act inconsistently with his character, his purpose, his ways and his revealed word.

How would God incarnating Himself as a human be acting inconsistently?

TrevorHL · Feb 26, 2025

Greetings again LuxMundi,

LuxMundi said:
How would God incarnating Himself as a human be acting inconsistently?

You may be used to such a concept to justify your Trinitarians concepts, and speculating about the many contradictions entailed in such a concept, but I prefer to stay with what I consider the Bible simply and clearly teaches.

Kind regards
Trevor

Magdala · Feb 26, 2025

TrevorHL said:
Incapable. God does not act inconsistently with his character, his purpose, his ways and his revealed word.

TrevorHL said:
[...] I prefer to stay with what I consider the Bible simply and clearly teaches.

And so, allegedly, Scripture teaches that God incarnating Himself as a human would be acting inconsistently. How so?

TrevorHL · Feb 26, 2025

Greetings again LuxMundi,

LuxMundi said:
And so, allegedly, Scripture teaches that God incarnating Himself as a human would be acting inconsistently. How so?

TrevorHL said:
I prefer to stay with what I consider the Bible simply and clearly teaches.

Kind regards
Trevor

Magdala · Feb 26, 2025

@TrevorHL, so you've chosen to leave your assertion unsubstantiated.

TrevorHL · Feb 26, 2025

Greetings again LuxMundi,

LuxMundi said:
@TrevorHL, so you've chosen to leave your assertion unsubstantiated.

I substantiated my perspective with three Scriptural references which you have not in any way answered:

TrevorHL said:
Jesus was a human, the Son of God by birth Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35, John 1:14.

Kind regards
Trevor

Magdala · Feb 27, 2025

TrevorHL said:
Greetings again LuxMundi,

I substantiated my perspective with three Scriptural references which you have not in any way answered:

Kind regards
Trevor

We will know if they do or not if you can explain how those verses substantiate your assertion that God incarnating Himself as a human would be acting inconsistently.

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