My KJV Debate with Jeff Dollar
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These changes are making the Word no easier to understand, plus they change the whole meaning. And, the last verse take, Matthew 5:44 totally missing in the NIV, ESV, NASB, LSB, NLT etc...!!
Very easy to understand and is of much importance!
You share a very important message and I pray that others will be mature enough to at least look into what you have to say HL!
Have a great day and looking forward to your new slides!
I would not attend a church or fellowship in a group of 3 or more that uses a Modern Bible.
Now, if it is was a close friend or something, I would allow them to use their own translation choice, but I see that as more of a potential outreach situation. Fellowshipping with 3 ore more calls for a situation of being on the same page in my humble opinion. 1 Corinthians 1:10 says we are all to speak the same thing. This is only possible if we have a standard. There are major differences even in the different NIV editions over the years. Earlier editions of the NIV describe Jesus healing a leper with compassion (Mark 1:41). However, one of the latest NIV edition reveals Jesus healing the leper with indignation (anger). In context, no reason is provided for Jesus' anger. This NIV update contradicts Jesus' words elsewhere. In Matthew 5:22, Jesus warns that being angry without a cause puts us in danger of the judgment.
This is not a problem if the Pastor or Christian leader of the Bible study gives the sense and or explains the uncommon words in the KJV. This is a part of the excitement of learning Gods Word. There are spiritual meanings attached to the archaic wording in the KJV that is lost in the Modern Bibles.
Proverbs 25:2 (KJV):
"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."
Psalm 78:2 (KJV):
"I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old."
1 Corinthians 1:27 (KJV):
"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;"
Deborah_
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I've heard this many times. It simply isn't true - as anyone who is truly familiar with the NIV will know.
If the word 'fornication' has been removed it's because it's hardly used these days. The NIV is a translation into modern English, after all! Language evolves continuously, unfortunately we Christians have a tendency to be ultra-conservative.
Yes, the KJV is God's perfect Word in English. No doubt about it. I see it settled with the Pure Cambridge KJV edition in circa 1900 (When English was standardized). As for the New Testament Greek: 99.99% of the Greek in Beza's 5th major edition (1598) is what underlies the KJV. There are only 20 or so translatable differences in the Beza Greek that does not line up with what the KJV translators chose.
I have leaned towards the Greek in the last year because of Nick Sayers channel. While I do not agree with everything Nick Sayers says, I do appreciate him going into the Greek that underlies the KJV. Nick is for defending the KJV by looking to the original languages.
The Greek while it does not contradict the KJV English, can sometimes offer an added depth or meaning that is not present in the English, which fits the context and the rest of the Bible. I mention this a little in my debate when I referred to the English word "hell" and the English word "LORD."
The original languages is sort of like an additional safeguard that we are understanding the correct meaning of the uncommon words (archaic words) in the KJV. I would love to one day do an improved version of something like the Defined King James Bible put out by D.A. Waite. Here are some pics of the Defined KJV::
As you can see in this above page, D.A. Waite (who is passed away now) has added the definitions for certain uncommon words at the bottom of the page to correspond with the bolded text with a specific number.
My hope is to do a project like this but offer the reader a deep dive into going into 17th century literature that backs up that word, and the Hebrew and Greek supporting literature (translated into English). I also would add words he did not define and improve a small number of his definitions.
Yes, I am strongly against Calvinism. There are KJV-only advocates who are Calvinist like Will Kinney, Dr. Ken Matto. They each have websites that are really exceptional, though.
If you ever need an apologetic on defending a certain verse of the King James Bible, Will Kinney's site is probably the best.
If you are looking for differences, Matto (who is passed away) has a good comparison page:
(Note: With Matto's page here, you have to scroll down a little bit to see the listing of the Old Testament and New Testament differences between the KJV and the Modern Bibles).
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I would love to show you these differences. I plan on updating my slide from the debate involving the textual differences in the original languages that reflect changes even in the English. Once, I am finished, I will post the link to download free the Powerpoint slides, and upload a video of an improved reading of my updated slide from my debate. This way, you can properly see the changes for yourself.
May God bless you greatly in the Lord today.
I agree. One of my goals in life is to let more believers know of the major differences. Changes that do affect doctrine.
Yes, this is a wrong change. The Critical Text side will say that these truths are found elsewhere in the Bible. While this is true, it is a watering down of these very important truths we must know. There are other instances I strive to point out that are bombshells or major changes in doctrine, or missing commands in Modern Bibles like in 2 Timothy 2:15 (a translation difference), and 1 Timothy 6:5 (an underlying textual difference). Things like these should greatly disturb any truth seeker.
Thank you again for the kind words.
I have family coming to visit, and we are planning to visit the Bible Museum, and Spy Museum in Washington, DC this week with them (if all goes well). So, I will not able to work my follow up projects until next week. So, hopefully maybe by March 5-7th I can start to make my updated works available (Lord willing).
May God bless you.
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Rockerduck
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Not where I teach. I use fornication in missionary work all the time as its forceful. Street evangelists use it all the time too. I asked God what bible I should use. The Holy Spirit said to me get "the red bible", and I saw it in a vision. I looked high and low for what looked like that bible. Then I found it, it is the KJV. Mind you, what Jesus says to do, I'll do. As I said in Post #15. The KJV is a supernatural book the seems to "give" you a scripture when you need it, and not even looking for it. Its one way God speaks to us.
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