God the Father,God the Son,God the Holy Spirit are ONE!!!
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Grailhunter
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Grailhunter
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I believe in…
God the Father…Yahweh…God Almighty…Creator of Heaven and Earth and Adam and Eve…..
God the Son…Yeshua…the Son of God…Messiah…Savior…Redeemer.
The Holy Spirit…the unnamed God…helper…guide… teacher… strengthener….nurturer…..
I believe the word Trinity expresses three Gods in unity….Tri-unity. Triune would be three in one. The one God formula for the Trinity was not defined until the 4th century with the Ecumenical Council which forced it on Christianity to settle arguments.
I believe the Gods have substances that cannot be defined and probably different but alike enough to sit on thrones and I believe they have separate minds and presences. I believe the “ands” are important as in God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit
Yahweh called Himself Father and Yeshua is called the Son of God. Yahweh defined it this way so we would understand that they have distinct positions and persons. That the Father has positional seniority and authority over the Son, while the Son has all authority over the mission to save humanity…..In words and in motion, two Gods….and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”…..Yahweh was not talking about Himself….The Father is greater than I….Yeshua was not talking about Himself…..Over 50 My Father verses….Yeshua had a Father.
In the four Gospels Father and Son worked together to prepare for the era of salvation and a new relationship with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. Then Christ and the Apostle Paul extended salvation to the Pagan-Gentiles.
God the Father…Yahweh…God Almighty…Creator of Heaven and Earth and Adam and Eve…..
God the Son…Yeshua…the Son of God…Messiah…Savior…Redeemer.
The Holy Spirit…the unnamed God…helper…guide… teacher… strengthener….nurturer…..
I believe the word Trinity expresses three Gods in unity….Tri-unity. Triune would be three in one. The one God formula for the Trinity was not defined until the 4th century with the Ecumenical Council which forced it on Christianity to settle arguments.
I believe the Gods have substances that cannot be defined and probably different but alike enough to sit on thrones and I believe they have separate minds and presences. I believe the “ands” are important as in God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit
Yahweh called Himself Father and Yeshua is called the Son of God. Yahweh defined it this way so we would understand that they have distinct positions and persons. That the Father has positional seniority and authority over the Son, while the Son has all authority over the mission to save humanity…..In words and in motion, two Gods….and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”…..Yahweh was not talking about Himself….The Father is greater than I….Yeshua was not talking about Himself…..Over 50 My Father verses….Yeshua had a Father.
In the four Gospels Father and Son worked together to prepare for the era of salvation and a new relationship with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. Then Christ and the Apostle Paul extended salvation to the Pagan-Gentiles.
Runningman
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On the matter of oneness with God the Father, Jesus prayed that his disciples would not only be one with each other, but also one with the Father and himself in the same way Jesus is. This refers to ontological oneness, not Peter becoming John or John becoming Peter nor the son becoming his Father, etc. The implication is that since the disciples are not God after being one with God then neither is anyone else.
John 17
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Grailhunter
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The oneness concept is a long standing Roman lie out of ecumenical councils to settle arguments about beliefs regarding God the Father and God the Son that Emperor Constantine commanded settled. This belief was mandated under penalty of death or excommunication….much like the statement of faith of this forum, you must believe this or you are not Christian! Silencing the Truth. The oneness concept is not in Bible and does not appear until the 4th century.
Christ explained the oneness concept….
The True concept of “oneness” is really not a matter of arithmetic. In modern times we are all about numbers, but a modern grade schooler would know more about numbers than most of the people of antiquity. The concept of one could have a symbology in this time period, not just the literal one, but also the concept of “unity.” The word “one” in regard to relationships can also mean solidarity. Again, in relation to the Trinity it is the unity and the solidarity, in mind, in heart, and in spirit between Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit. God the Father gives us in Genesis 2:24 an idea of how the concept of two people being one can be applied; “For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother and shall cleave to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.” Yeshua reiterates this concept in Mathew 19:5 & 6 and Mark 10:8, specifically saying, “And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.” Certainly everyone understands that husbands and wives do not merge to be one physical human, nor do they lose their character. They certainly join physically but they are not absorbed into one person, even though the condition of solidarity may exist between them. So in that case the word one is not denoting “the number one” or the singularity of the two persons in the marriage.
Beyond what is listed in the examples above, in the New Testament Yeshua gives us a clearer explanation of this concept of one. Speaking to God the Father (He was not talking to Himself) Yeshua says this about the concept of one... John 17:19-24 For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
Because Yeshua says “just as” this is an exactness, a duplication of a condition that we can achieve, and He states that this condition of “oneness” can apply to us, but it has nothing to do with absorption or singularity, but rather a condition of spiritual union and solidarity between God and us. The next verse further defines this by describing a unity with Christ that would cause the same condition with us as it did with them, a condition of perfection. Again, not talking to Himself, in John 17:23 “I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, that the world may know that Thou didst send Me, and didst love them, even as Thou didst love Me.” In this context millions of people could be made one...one being a abstract concept of one, but a more literal meaning of unity, solidarity, and perfection and even a “body” that is considered one....the body of Christ or the body of the Church being one. And then, the next verse is probably one of the best verses to put this oneness concept into perspective. The leading verses are speaking of the works of the Holy Spirit and then ends with this explanation. 1st Corinthians 12:11-13 “But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills. For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and were all made to drink of one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.”
The same is true of the Godhead, which is made up of three Gods, but if there would have been a hundred named Gods that talked with each other and did all the above, the Church would have labeled them all one in order to get their theology to work and to say there is only one God. Certainly multiple persons in one God is a difficult concept, but the more persons the more difficult the concept becomes. If there would have been eight, sixty, or a hundred persons it would have been a concept near to impossible to convey. Tri-unity is difficult enough, but sixty-unity would have been intolerable and unacceptable. But as it was, three aspects of one god was a common scenario in Pagan beliefs, the triple goddess is a good example. Christianity worshipped Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit which was familiar to the Pagans converting to Christianity….Gentiles. And so was the story of a god impregnating a woman and giving birth to a god.
Christ explained the oneness concept….
The True concept of “oneness” is really not a matter of arithmetic. In modern times we are all about numbers, but a modern grade schooler would know more about numbers than most of the people of antiquity. The concept of one could have a symbology in this time period, not just the literal one, but also the concept of “unity.” The word “one” in regard to relationships can also mean solidarity. Again, in relation to the Trinity it is the unity and the solidarity, in mind, in heart, and in spirit between Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit. God the Father gives us in Genesis 2:24 an idea of how the concept of two people being one can be applied; “For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother and shall cleave to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.” Yeshua reiterates this concept in Mathew 19:5 & 6 and Mark 10:8, specifically saying, “And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.” Certainly everyone understands that husbands and wives do not merge to be one physical human, nor do they lose their character. They certainly join physically but they are not absorbed into one person, even though the condition of solidarity may exist between them. So in that case the word one is not denoting “the number one” or the singularity of the two persons in the marriage.
Beyond what is listed in the examples above, in the New Testament Yeshua gives us a clearer explanation of this concept of one. Speaking to God the Father (He was not talking to Himself) Yeshua says this about the concept of one... John 17:19-24 For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
Because Yeshua says “just as” this is an exactness, a duplication of a condition that we can achieve, and He states that this condition of “oneness” can apply to us, but it has nothing to do with absorption or singularity, but rather a condition of spiritual union and solidarity between God and us. The next verse further defines this by describing a unity with Christ that would cause the same condition with us as it did with them, a condition of perfection. Again, not talking to Himself, in John 17:23 “I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, that the world may know that Thou didst send Me, and didst love them, even as Thou didst love Me.” In this context millions of people could be made one...one being a abstract concept of one, but a more literal meaning of unity, solidarity, and perfection and even a “body” that is considered one....the body of Christ or the body of the Church being one. And then, the next verse is probably one of the best verses to put this oneness concept into perspective. The leading verses are speaking of the works of the Holy Spirit and then ends with this explanation. 1st Corinthians 12:11-13 “But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills. For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and were all made to drink of one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.”
The same is true of the Godhead, which is made up of three Gods, but if there would have been a hundred named Gods that talked with each other and did all the above, the Church would have labeled them all one in order to get their theology to work and to say there is only one God. Certainly multiple persons in one God is a difficult concept, but the more persons the more difficult the concept becomes. If there would have been eight, sixty, or a hundred persons it would have been a concept near to impossible to convey. Tri-unity is difficult enough, but sixty-unity would have been intolerable and unacceptable. But as it was, three aspects of one god was a common scenario in Pagan beliefs, the triple goddess is a good example. Christianity worshipped Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit which was familiar to the Pagans converting to Christianity….Gentiles. And so was the story of a god impregnating a woman and giving birth to a god.
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There is but One God, One Throne in Heaven. His name is unknown but on earth we have referred to Him in many names: YHVH/Adonai/Jehovah/The Great I AM, I AM that I AM, Elohim, Yeshua
Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one name. Because man can not understand this does not make it not so.
Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one name. Because man can not understand this does not make it not so.
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