Does God love those He burns in Hell "Forever and Ever"?
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Hidden In Him
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Lambano
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How about this?
Psalm 11:5
5 The LORD tests righteous people, but He hates wicked people and the ones who love violence.
Hidden In Him
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How about it? My trouble is not with what scripture teaches. Your OP insinuates that He "hates" sinners forever, and enjoys seeing them tormented even after they have been subjected to their fate, which makes Him out to be a God of Hate rather than a God is Love, which is how He is identified in scripture.
So which one is it for you? God of love or God of hate?
It obviously is. That's how this thread started, with Scripture!
Quoting God "insinuates"? lol
Let's try again. Thus says God:
Psalm 11:5
5 The LORD tests righteous people, but He hates wicked people and the ones who love violence.
Hidden In Him
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No, just how you interpret it. And I can tell you're just a troll, and not someone who takes the scripture seriously or debates it seriously.
I pretty much gathered that going in, I was just checking to make sure.
I didn't interpret anything! I quoted God!
How ironic!
IOW you don't like what God said that I quoted!
Hidden In Him
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Nah, I'll just keep quoting God's Word, the Bible! It really upsets Bible hating trolls!
Psalm 11:5
5 The LORD tests righteous people, but He hates wicked people and the ones who love violence.
BarneyFife
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Ritajanice
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We know the Love Of God in our hearts..
5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the fleshd cannot please God.
1 Corinthians 2:14 King James Version (KJV) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the fleshd cannot please God.
1 Corinthians 2:14 King James Version (KJV) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we havea peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we stand. And we rejoiceb in the hope of the glory of God. 3Not only that, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4perseverance, character; and character, hope.5And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, whom He has given us. Christ’s Sacrifice for the Ungodly (John 3:1–21) 6For at just the right time, while we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath through Him! 10For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life! 11Not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Death in Adam, Life in Christ (Genesis 3:1–7) 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. 13For sin was in the world before the law was given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who did not sin in the way that Adam transgressed. He is a pattern of the One to come. 15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many! 16Again, the gift is not like the result of the one man’s sin: The judgment that followed one sin brought condemnation, but the gift that followed many trespasses brought justification.17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ! 18So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. 20The law came in so that the trespass would increase; but where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Those who are Born Again received the Spirit of Love, God is 100% pure Love. Spirit gives birth to spirit... Flesh gives birth to flesh. Of course God hates, but, he is not a Spirit Of hate....if God hates it’s a righteous hate and a just hate..God does not hate like the world hates. We fear God , not like the world would fear, we fear God out of love and reverence.....God is a patient God as we well know...he doesn’t want anyone to perish.....people who sow hatred are not of God... |
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"Does God love those He burns in Hell "Forever and Ever"?"
Along the same line, did God love those He drowned in Genesis? Did God love those He burned alive in Sodom?
Psalm 11:5
5 The LORD tests righteous people, but He hates wicked people and the ones who love violence.
Along the same line, did God love those He drowned in Genesis? Did God love those He burned alive in Sodom?
Psalm 11:5
5 The LORD tests righteous people, but He hates wicked people and the ones who love violence.
The only reason we are saved is because of His great love for us. Examples, and read these chapters in context, you will perhaps comprehend the following
Hebrews 12:6
For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives.”
Malachi 1:3
But Esau I have hated, And laid waste his mountains and his heritage For the jackals of the wilderness.”
Romans 9:13
As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Ephesians 2
1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
2 Thess 2
13 But we are [f]bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through [g]sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our [h]epistle.
16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, 17 comfort your hearts and [i]establish you in every good word and work.
Hebrews 12:6
For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives.”
Malachi 1:3
But Esau I have hated, And laid waste his mountains and his heritage For the jackals of the wilderness.”
Romans 9:13
As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Ephesians 2
1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
2 Thess 2
13 But we are [f]bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through [g]sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our [h]epistle.
16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, 17 comfort your hearts and [i]establish you in every good word and work.
3 Resurrections
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You are making the mistake of identifying the "Lake of Fire" as being the same thing as Hell. These are NOT the same thing. Hell (Hades) is simply the grave, unto which all of mankind descends by physically dying the one time. Christ Himself descended into Hades by physically dying the one time, where He only remained for those three days and nights.
But the "Lake of Fire" or the "furnace of fire" as Christ described it was equated with being "the second death" in Revelation 20:14. Remember, it says in Rev. 20:10 that "day and night" are still going on in this location. This is NOT the same as the eternal state for the wicked. Instead, it was the second time that "Death and Hell" were thrown into the city of Jerusalem to plague the besieged inhabitants when the city was dying for the second and final time (compare Revelation 20:14 with Isaiah 28:14-19).
The first death of Jerusalem was under the Babylonian invasion in 586 BC when the city and the temple was burned up. The "second death" of Jerusalem when it turned into a "Lake of Fire" took place in AD 70 when the city and the temple were being burned up again. The Judean Scarlet Beast and the Judean Land Beast / False prophet were both present in the city of Jerusalem as it was being destroyed in the AD 66-70 years of torment for the besieged inhabitants of Jerusalem. Satan and all his devils and unclean spirits were also present in that same location.
Christ had said in Matthew 12:43-45 that the unclean spirits would return to that nation of Israel in seven-fold numbers more wicked than before to make Israel's "last state" worse than their first state when He had been among them. Jerusalem according to Revelation 18:2 became that "habitation of devils and a prison for every unclean spirit" in those AD 66-70 years. That Rev. 20:10 "forever and ever" (eis ton aionon) was the same as the "ends of the ages" (tele ton aionon) which Paul said was then coming upon the first century in 1 Cor. 10:11.
Christ said the fate of the wicked dead is to PERISH in the judgment, not to suffer eternal torment by being burned perpetually. Your doctrine is twisted, and turns God into a sadist, which is against His own nature.
It is the righteous who walk uprightly who are to "dwell with the devouring fire" and to "dwell with everlasting burnings" as Isaiah 33:14-17 wrote. It is the righteous who are to "see the King in His beauty" in this environment on high. That "fiery stream" which issues forth from before the throne of God in Daniel 7:9-10 is what we will dwell with eternally in a blessed state of fellowship.
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All we have to do to understand that people aren't literally on fire or being burned ~ much less in a literal "lake of fire," which seemingly a contradiction in and of itself; a lake is a body of water, not fire ~ is read, even in a cursory fashion, Jesus's parable in Luke 16. The rich man, who is deceased in this illustration, is "in anguish," which is to say he is in a mental pain, not physical, in and of himself, and the "flame" is the cause of that anguish. The flame not literal but rather the "fire" of God's absolutely just condemnation and judgment. This will be the existence of the unrepentant for eternity: immersed, as one would be in water, in this "lake"... so totally enveloped by said condemnation and judgment, God having totally removed His blessing and grace. This is their eternal torment, their "worm (that) does not die and the fire (that) is not quenched" (Mark 9:48) ~ as opposed to the perfect grace, comfort, peace, joy, and rest in eternity of God's elect.
"...making the mistake of identifying the "Lake of Fire" as being the same thing as Hell"
It's no mistake.
Grace and peace to all.
"...making the mistake of identifying the "Lake of Fire" as being the same thing as Hell"
It's no mistake.
Grace and peace to all.
You're playing word games! Jesus clearly warned us of "Hell fire", "the everlasting fire", "the furnace of fire", "the lake of fire".
Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell!
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