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FAQ: Why do so many conventional Christians insist it is necessary to
believe Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life?


REPLY: None of the Old Testament sacrifices were restored to life. Their
bodies all remained deceased: some of them were even used for food, and
the remains of others were incinerated outside the camp. So it's logical to
expect that Jesus' body would remain deceased.

However; every resurrection recorded in the Bible-- both the new testament
and the old --restored people's dead human body to life. But there is
another matter of far greater consequence to consider.

Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins, and was raised
to life for our justification.

The first half of that verse speaks of Isa 53:6 which reads like this:

"We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way;
and The Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all."

But although Jesus' crucifixion satisfies justice for people's iniquity, the
people remain guilty; similar to when speeders pay a fine for going too fast.
Their payment satisfies justice for speeding, but the broken law stays on the
books. In other words: a paid fine clears no one of the crime.

The second half of Rom 4:25 speaks of justification-- translated from the
Greek word dikaíoosin which basically pertains to acquittal: defined as an
adjudication of innocence due to a lack of sufficient evidence to convict.

In other words: Jesus' crucified dead body had to be restored to life to make
it possible for sinners to be granted exoneration. Were Jesus' body to
remained deceased, nobody would get past the books spoken of by Rev
20:11-15 where the losers will be subjected to a mode of death akin to a
foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

* Were I the Devil, I would make it my mission in life to invalidate Christ's
physical resurrection because by means of its acceptance sinners have the
opportunity to be cleared of all wrong-doing from first to last. Failure to
believe his crucified dead body was restored to life will result in people's loss
of the one God-given opportunity to wipe the books; and thus they'll remain
on a direct path to the wrong side of things even though their iniquity was
forgiven by means of Christ's crucifixion.

1Cor 15:17 . . If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are
still in your sins.

Pop Clock Update: 4,605 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 253,717,080
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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Here's a question that not even God can answer.

Heb 2:1-3 . .We must pay much closer attention to what we have heard,
lest we drift away from it. For if the word spoken through angels proved
unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just
recompense, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?

The Greek word translated "neglect" basically means to ignore, disregard,
set aside, to make light of, viz: assign a low priority.

I watched an interesting lecture on YouTube recently during which the
speaker asked, in so many words: What do a great number of folks in Hell
have in common other than their circumstances? The answer given was
stupidity, and I think I have to agree.

Jesus told a parable about some folks who were adequately catechized but
let day to day concerns distract them from taking action on the information
they were given. In other words they procrastinated; probably intending to
getting around some day to thinking about their afterlife prospects.

He told another parable wherein a number of folks invited to a wedding
found a variety of excuses not to attend. The host was wroth and banned
the original guests so that even if they changed their minds about attending,
they would not be allowed.

Well; I think the Bible is telling us that Heaven has little patience with things
like neglect, indifference, and procrastination. It says, in so many words: If
you hear the message, don't delay to respond because now is your time,
today is your opportunity for salvation.

The message, it its basic form, is very simple.

Heb 2:9 . .We see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for
the suffering of death, that he by the grace of God should taste death for
every man.

Isa 53:6 . . All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one
to his own way; and The Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

The only thing those dummies in Hell had to do to avoid that awful place was
RSVP God with a simple prayer in their own words that goes like this:

"Lord, I know I'm a sinner. I would like to take advantage of your son's
death."

Those sixteen words would've made a tremendous difference in their afterlife
situation but no, they let the opportunity to make peace with God slip thru
their fingers.

Heb 12:25-26 . . See to it that you do not refuse Him who speaks. If they
did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how
much less will we, if we turn away from Him who warns us from heaven?

Pop Clock Update: 4,618 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 254,433,328
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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Sheol has enlarged itself And opened its mouth beyond measure

Isaiah 5​

Impending Judgment on Excesses​

8 Woe to those who [e]join house to house;
They add field to field,
Till there is no place
Where they may dwell alone in the midst of the land!
9 In my hearing the Lord of hosts said,
“Truly, many houses shall be desolate,
Great and beautiful ones, without inhabitant.
10 For ten acres of vineyard shall yield one bath,[f]
And a homer of seed shall yield one [g]ephah.”
11 Woe to those who rise early in the morning,
That they may [h]follow intoxicating drink;
Who continue until night, till wine inflames them!
12 The harp and the strings,
The tambourine and flute,
And wine are in their feasts;
But they do not regard the work of the Lord,
Nor consider the operation of His hands.
13 Therefore my people have gone into captivity,
Because they have no knowledge;
Their honorable men are famished,
And their multitude dried up with thirst.

14 Therefore Sheol has enlarged itself
And opened its mouth beyond measure;
Their glory and their multitude and their pomp,
And he who is jubilant, shall descend into it.
15 People shall be brought down,
Each man shall be humbled,
And the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled.
16 But the Lord of hosts shall be exalted in judgment,
And God who is holy shall be hallowed in righteousness.

17 Then the lambs shall feed in their pasture,
And in the waste places of the [i]fat ones strangers shall eat.
18 Woe to those who [j]draw iniquity with cords of [k]vanity,
And sin as if with a cart rope;
19 That say, “Let Him make speed and hasten His work,
That we may see it;
And let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw near and come,
That we may know it.
20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!
22 Woe to men mighty at drinking wine,
Woe to men valiant for mixing intoxicating drink,
23 Who justify the wicked for a bribe,
And take away justice from the righteous man!
24 Therefore, as the [l]fire devours the stubble,
And the flame consumes the chaff,
So their root will be as rottenness,
And their blossom will ascend like dust;
Because they have rejected the law of the Lord of hosts,
And despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
25 Therefore the anger of the Lord is aroused against His people;
He has stretched out His hand against them
And stricken them,
And the hills trembled.
Their carcasses were as refuse in the midst of the streets.
For all this His anger is not turned away,
But His hand is stretched out still.
 

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Here's a question that not even God can answer.

Heb 2:1-3 . .We must pay much closer attention to what we have heard,
lest we drift away from it. For if the word spoken through angels proved
unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just
recompense, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?

The Greek word translated "neglect" basically means to ignore, disregard,
set aside, to make light of, viz: assign a low priority.

I watched an interesting lecture on YouTube recently during which the
speaker asked, in so many words: What do a great number of folks in Hell
have in common other than their circumstances? The answer given was
stupidity, and I think I have to agree.

Jesus told a parable about some folks who were adequately catechized but
let day to day concerns distract them from taking action on the information
they were given. In other words they procrastinated; probably intending to
getting around some day to thinking about their afterlife prospects.

He told another parable wherein a number of folks invited to a wedding
found a variety of excuses not to attend. The host was wroth and banned
the original guests so that even if they changed their minds about attending,
they would not be allowed.

Well; I think the Bible is telling us that Heaven has little patience with things
like neglect, indifference, and procrastination. It says, in so many words: If
you hear the message, don't delay to respond because now is your time,
today is your opportunity for salvation.

The message, it its basic form, is very simple.

Heb 2:9 . .We see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for
the suffering of death, that he by the grace of God should taste death for
every man.

Isa 53:6 . . All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one
to his own way; and The Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

The only thing those dummies in Hell had to do to avoid that awful place was
RSVP God with a simple prayer in their own words that goes like this:

"Lord, I know I'm a sinner. I would like to take advantage of your son's
death."

Those sixteen words would've made a tremendous difference in their afterlife
situation but no, they let the opportunity to make peace with God slip thru
their fingers.

Heb 12:25-26 . . See to it that you do not refuse Him who speaks. If they
did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how
much less will we, if we turn away from Him who warns us from heaven?

Pop Clock Update: 4,618 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 254,433,328
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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One of the men with whom I worked in a boatyard back in the decade of the
1970s said he wouldn't mind Hell all that much because he'll have lots of
friends there, but I can't help but wonder if he'll be able to find any of them
because Jesus said the majority has been ending up down there.

Well, souls have been filtering into perdition not only the past 2,000 years
since Christ, but also since before the Step Pyramid of Djoser, and even
before the Flood and the Tower of Babel. I won't speculate how many years
have gone by since Cain and Abel, but I've heard it said it's at the very least
something like 6,000 years. If the majority really has been going there like
Jesus said: then sixty centuries would amount to a very large number of
souls to search for that man's friends.

Pop Clock Update: 4,673 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 257,463,608
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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The bodies and souls headed for the lake of fire depicted by Rev 20:11-15
are slated for termination.

Matt 10:28 . . Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill
the soul. Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in
Hell.

The thing is: a dead soul is no longer a sentient soul, neither is a dead body
a sentient body. So then, it appears to me that the bodies and souls of the
people terminated in the lake of fire will become unresponsive; consequently
the people will likely be unable to communicate.

Pop Clock Update: 4,678 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 257,739,088
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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The bodies and souls headed for the lake of fire depicted by Rev 20:11-15
are slated for termination.

Matt 10:28 . . Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill
the soul. Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in
Hell.

The thing is: a dead soul is no longer a sentient soul, neither is a dead body
a sentient body. So then, it appears to me that the bodies and souls of the
people terminated in the lake of fire will become unresponsive; consequently
the people will likely be unable to communicate.
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In order to understand Matthew 10:28 we have to understand the meanings of the words "soul" and "hell".

The word translated as soul here is psuchēn, which means "breath of life".

Definition: Soul, life, self, inner being
Meaning: (a) the vital breath, breath of life, (b) the human soul, (c) the soul as the seat of affections and will, (d) the self, (e) a human person, an individual.

Word Origin: Derived from the verb ψύχω (psuchō), meaning "to breathe" or "to blow."


The word translated as hell here is "Gehenna"

Definition: Gehenna, hell
Meaning: Gehenna, and originally the name of a valley or cavity near Jerusalem, a place underneath the earth, a place of punishment for evil.

Word Origin: Derived from the Hebrew גֵּי־הִנֹּם (Gê Hinnom), meaning "Valley of Hinnom"


So, Jesus is saying fear him who can destroy both body and [life] in [the valley of hinnom]. This implies that the body could be destroyed without destroying the life. It also implies that life is destroyed in the garbage dump behind Jerusalem. ... What are we missing here?
 

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I can't help but envy God. He's above it all; safe and secure and never in
any danger of war, natural disasters, disease, economic calamities, old age,
and most especially perdition.

But us? We're like insects, no, worse than that, we're as helpless, as fragile,
and as vulnerable as the vegetation that's been burning in Los Angeles.

Isa 40:6-8 . . All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers
of the field. The grass withers and the flowers fall, because the breath of The
Lord blows on them. Surely the people are grass. The grass withers and the
flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever.

Pop Clock Update: 4,683 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 258,014,568
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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In order to understand Matthew 10:28 we have to understand the meanings of the words "soul" and "hell".

The word translated as soul here is psuchēn, which means "breath of life".

Definition: Soul, life, self, inner being
Meaning: (a) the vital breath, breath of life, (b) the human soul, (c) the soul as the seat of affections and will, (d) the self, (e) a human person, an individual.

Word Origin: Derived from the verb ψύχω (psuchō), meaning "to breathe" or "to blow."


The word translated as hell here is "Gehenna"

Definition: Gehenna, hell
Meaning: Gehenna, and originally the name of a valley or cavity near Jerusalem, a place underneath the earth, a place of punishment for evil.

Word Origin: Derived from the Hebrew גֵּי־הִנֹּם (Gê Hinnom), meaning "Valley of Hinnom"


So, Jesus is saying fear him who can destroy both body and [life] in [the valley of hinnom]. This implies that the body could be destroyed without destroying the life. It also implies that life is destroyed in the garbage dump behind Jerusalem. ... What are we missing here?

And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Which implies consciousness in the Lake of Fire , which is the final destination of all the wicked.

  1. Revelation 14:10
    he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

  2. Revelation 14:11
    And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Satanic Rebellion Crushed​

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

The Great White Throne Judgment​

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Everlasting punishment in the fire
Matthew 25

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer [d]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
 

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It is a testament to the number of false teachers on this site when a thread like this is long lived.

Biblical illiteracy is patently obvious. However, the ill mind that presumes in its own dysfunction to calculate the number of souls they imagine enter Hell in a given day is vile and a perverse effort to play God.

You should be ashamed. Till then,you are a shame.
 

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According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all
matters pertaining to the afterlife; most of the world's responsible souls
haven't been making it to safety when they cross over to the other side.
Correct!

God bless you.
Glory to God,
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And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Which implies consciousness in the Lake of Fire , which is the final destination of all the wicked.

No.

Wicked applies…primarily To HUMANS.
Evil applies…primarily To FALLEN ANGELS.

Humans are NOT naturally born with the truth…they may Learn the truth, then reject the Truth…then…they are called…Wicked.

Angels were created with the Truth…and Angels who chose to Reject the Truth…then…they are called Evil… add “D”…to describe Fallen Angels…and that is: D + evil = Devil(s).


They who SHALL be Tormented forever and ever…ARE Fallen Angel spirits, who can Never Die.
Angels “ARE” spirits.
Human MEN SHALL NOT be tormented forever and ever.

Human manKIND “ARE” a mortal BODY.
All “mortal” Body’s LIFE (Blood), shall, must DIE.

Human manKIND “HAS” a soul.
The SOUL’S Life (Gods Breath) Shall NEVER die.

Human manKIND “HAS” “a NATURAL mortal SPIRIT”…
(It is the NATURAL Truth IN their HEART)
All Natural mortal spirits of manKIND shall, must Die.
(Mortal means…it Shall/must/will Die)

* IF … a man willingly Lays down HiS Bodily Life (Crucified with Christ Jesus)….
* WHEN …(the man IS bodily Alive…)
* That man IS Willingly, Truthfully, Laying DOWN unto DEATH, (unto To the Lord God…)
* The Death of his “mortal Body AND natural mortal spirit”

In turn…the Response
BY:

the Lord Jesus…is to ForGive …(that mans body, soul, spirit…For Having BEEN AGAINST the Lord God Almighty)
BY:
the Lamb of God…is to BAPTIZE that man With the Holy Spirit of God.
BY:
Christ…(the Power of God, the Seed of God)…
Is to Give that man the SEED of God,,,(to RE-Birth his dead spirit.)
BY:
Jesus…Is to Restore, Save that mans soul.
BY the Spirit of Truth
(Jesus IS the Truth, IS the Word of God, IS the Spirit of Truth.)

Men who Bodily Die…NEVER having RECEIVED…
Forgiveness…
A saved soul…
A born again spirit…
* Their body IS dead…Lifeless.
* Their souls LIFE (Gods breath) Returns to God. MAKING their SOUL LIFELESS.
* Their “natural spirit” (NEVER having received a “born AGAIN spirit”, Mortally dies when their body dies.
That spirit IS LIFELESS.

Unbelieving LIFELESS…DEAD…bodys’ and unsaved souls’ of DEAD men…
Are Disposed of…Thrown INTO the Lake of Fire…burned up…Remembered no more.
(LIFELESS bodys and souls, feel, know nothing.
No they are not torture forever and ever.

Tortured forever and ever “applies to” Fallen Angels…WHO “ARE” spirits and can Never Die.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
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I do not see any scriptural evidence to suggest people are unconscious in Hell or the Lake of Fire, which is also enhanced Hell, or the final disposition. Tormented forever, everlasting punishment, where their worm does not die. Consider also their worm as them, their spirit, what's left of it. Daniel says they awake, that implies conscious torment.

Mark 9:44-48
[where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.] If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame, than, having your two feet, to be cast into hell, [where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.]read more.

John 5:29

and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Daniel 12:2

Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

Source: 8 Bible verses about Eternal Punishment
 

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I do not see any scriptural evidence to suggest people are unconscious in Hell or the Lake of
Fire,

I tend to think the jury is still out on that one because the bodies and souls headed
for the lake of fire depicted by Rev 20:11-15 are slated for termination.

Matt 10:28 . . Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Hell.

In the beginning, Adam was created a living soul. Well; the thing is: a dead soul is
no longer a sentient soul, and a dead body is no longer a sentient body. So then, it
appears to me that the bodies and souls of the people terminated in the lake of fire
will become unresponsive; suggesting maybe they will exist there as vegetables.


NOTE: The rich man confined in Hades per Luke 16:19-31 is portrayed as sentient,
which tells me his soul had not yet been terminated.
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I tend to think the jury is still out on that one because the bodies and souls headed
for the lake of fire depicted by Rev 20:11-15 are slated for termination.

Matt 10:28 . . Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Hell.

In the beginning, Adam was created a living soul. Well; the thing is: a dead soul is
no longer a sentient soul, and a dead body is no longer a sentient body. So then, it
appears to me that the bodies and souls of the people terminated in the lake of fire
will become unresponsive; suggesting maybe they will exist there as vegetables.


NOTE: The rich man confined in Hades per Luke 16:19-31 is portrayed as sentient,
which tells me his soul had not yet been terminated.
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Well ok, here are all the verses where the word is used, G622

Luk 17:27
They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed G622 them all.

Luk 15:32
It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, G622 and is found.



Transliteration
apollymi (Key)
Pronunciation
ap-ol'-loo-mee
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Part of Speech
verb
Root Word (Etymology)
From ἀπό (G575) and the base of ὄλεθρος (G3639)
Greek Inflections of ἀπόλλυμι [?]
mGNT
90x in 34 unique form(s) TR
92x in 32 unique form(s) LXX
271x in 57 unique form(s)
ἀπολεῖσθε — 2x
ἀπολεῖται — 1x
ἀπολέσαι — 8x
ἀπολέσας — 3x
ἀπολέσει — 9x
ἀπολέσῃ — 9x
ἀπολέσθαι — 3x
ἀπολέσουσιν — 1x
ἀπολέσω — 1x
ἀπολέσωμεν — 1x
ἀπολέσωσιν — 3x
ἀπόληται — 8x
ἀπόλλυε — 1x
ἀπόλλυμαι — 1x
ἀπολλύμεθα — 3x
ἀπολλυμένην — 1x
ἀπολλύμενοι — 1x
ἀπολλυμένοις — 4x
ἀπολλυμένου — 1x
ἀπολομένου — 1x
ἀπόλοῦνται — 1x
ἀπολοῦνται — 5x
Ἀπολῶ — 1x
ἀπολωλὸς — 1x
ἀπολωλός — 3x
ἀπολωλότα — 2x
ἀπολωλὼς — 2x
ἀπόλωνται — 1x
ἀπώλεσα — 2x
ἀπώλεσεν — 4x
ἀπώλετο — 4x
ἀπώλοντο — 4x
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The KJV translates Strong's G622 in the following manner: perish (33x), destroy (26x), lose (22x), be lost (5x), lost (4x), miscellaneous (2x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
  1. to destroy
    1. to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin
    2. render useless
    3. to kill
    4. to declare that one must be put to death
    5. metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell
    6. to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed
  2. to destroy
    1. to lose
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
ἀπόλλυμι apóllymi, ap-ol'-loo-mee; from G575 and the base of G3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:—destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
 
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Matt 10:28 . . Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Hell.

Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire at the end. God is not revisiting His judgement again.
It is over, done, final, finished. As opposed to some who say Hell and judgement is temporary as after this, we get New Earth and New Heavens. So, them that are cast into the fire are never coming back out.

Book of Isaiah ends with the new heavens and the new earth with God declaring certain things as part of His judgement.
Again, like Christ says the reference to their worm shall not die and fire is not quenched, and they are loathsome to look at, an abhorrence. Mentions they are visible, intact, dead. Not gone really like had never existed. Something of them remains.


Isaiah 66
22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

24 “And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die,
And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
 

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Matt 10:28 . . Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Hell.

Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire at the end. God is not revisiting His judgement again.
It is over, done, final, finished. As opposed to some who say Hell and judgement is temporary as after this, we get New Earth and New Heavens. So, them that are cast into the fire are never coming back out.

Book of Isaiah ends with the new heavens and the new earth with God declaring certain things as part of His judgement.
Again, like Christ says the reference to their worm shall not die and fire is not quenched, and they are loathsome to look at, an abhorrence. Mentions they are visible, intact, dead. Not gone really like had never existed. Something of them remains.


Isaiah 66
22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

24 “And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die,
And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
You're arguing with an intellect that presumes they can calculate the number of persons who die and go to Hell on any given day.

Do you think a lexicon is relevant to their delusion? They're playing GOD before God sits in judgement of the dead.

They enjoy manufacturing a delusion for themselves as they send non-existent people into the Hell they worship.

If they're going to allow their delusion to run rampant have you ever asked yourself,why then don't they focus on Heavens population clock?
 

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Rev 21:3-4 . . Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with
them. They will be His people, and God himself will be with them and be
their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more
death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed
away.

Much of the the tears, the mourning, the crying, and the pain will most
certainly be related to the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-
-15, which will likely be a public spectacle.

In other words: people will have to watch as friends, associates, and loved
ones are literally pale with terror, lips trembling, mouths too dry to speak,
shrieking, sobbing, screaming, weeping, yelping, and bellowing like wounded
dogs as their eyes dart about in sheer white-knuckled panic, desperately
looking for someone, anyone, to help them as powerful celestial beings drag
them off to a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of
molten iron.

The Bible says the lost will be given a fair trial (Jude 1:14-15) which
suggests some of us might be subpoenaed as witnesses for the prosecution
where we will have to testify not for. but instead, against people we know
and love; including our own kin, i.e. moms, dads, grandparents. brothers,
sisters, cousins, nephews and nieces, and quite possibly spouses too.

Paul said the greatest of all gifts is love (1Cor 13:13). But let me tell you
something: Love is inconvenient. Sensitive folk cannot sit through a scene
like the one described above and not be moved by it. The effect will be so
overwhelming that nothing less than the power of God will suffice to get
them over it.
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STRONGS G622:

ἀπόλλυμι and ἀπολλύω ([ἀπολλύει John 12:25 T Tr WH], imperative ἀπόλλυε Romans 14:15 [cf. Buttmann, 45 (39); WH's Appendix, p. 168f]); future ἀπολέσω and (1 Corinthians 1:19 ἀπολῶ from a passage in the O. T., where often) ἀπολῶ (cf. Winers Grammar, 83 (80); [Buttmann, 64 (56)]); 1 aorist ἀπώλεσα; to destroy; middle, present ἀπόλλυμαι; [imperfect 3 person plural ἀπώλλυντο 1 Corinthians 10:9 T Tr WH]; future ἀπολοῦμαι; 2 aorist ἀπωλόμην; (2 perfect active participle ἀπολωλώς); [from Homer down]; to perish.

1. to destroy i. e. to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to, ruin: Mark 1:24; Luke 4:34; Luke 17:27, 29; Jude
1:5; τὴν σοφίαν render useless, cause its emptiness to be perceived, 1 Corinthians 1:19 (from the Sept. of Isaiah 29:14); to kill: Matthew 2:13; Matthew 12:14; Mark 9:22; Mark 11:18; John 10:10, etc.; contextually, to declare that one must be put to death: Matthew 27:20; metaphorically, to devote or give over to eternal misery: Matthew 10:28; James 4:12; contextually, by one's conduct to cause another to lose eternal salvation: Romans 14:15. Middle to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed;

a. of persons;
α. properly: Matthew 8:25; Luke 13:3, 5, 33; John 11:50; 2 Peter 3:6; Jude 1:11, etc.; ἀπόλλυμαι λιμῷ, Luke 15:17; ἐν μαχαίρᾳ, Matthew 26:52; καταβαλλόμενοι, ἀλλ’ οὐκ ἀπολλύμενοι, 2 Corinthians 4:9.
β. tropically, to incur the loss of true or eternal life; to be delivered up to eternal misery: John 3:15 [R L brackets], John 3:16; John 10:28; 17:12 (it must be borne in mind, that according to John's conception eternal life begins on earth, just as soon as one becomes united to Christ by faith); Romans 2:12; 1 Corinthians 8:11; 1 Corinthians 15:18; 2 Peter 3:9. Hence, οἱ σωζόμενοι they to whom it belongs to partake of salvation, and οἱ ἀπολλύμενοι those to whom it belongs to perish or to be consigned to eternal misery, are contrasted by Paul: 1 Corinthians 1:18; 2 Corinthians 2:15; 2 Corinthians 4:3; 2 Thessalonians 2:10 (on these present participles, cf. Winers Grammar, 342 (321); Buttmann, 206 (178)).

b. of things; to be blotted out, to vanish away: ἡ εὐπρέπεια, James 1:11; the heavens, Hebrews 1:11 (from Psalm 101:27 (Ps. 102:27); to perish — of things which on being thrown away are decomposed, as μέλος τοῦ σώματος, Matthew 5:29f; remnants of bread, John 6:12; — or which perish in some other way, as βρῶσις, John 6:27; χρυσίον, 1 Peter 1:7; — or which are ruined so that they can no longer subserve the use for which they were designed, as οἱ ἀσκοί: Matthew 9:17; Mark 2:22; Luke 5:37.

2. to destroy i. e. to lose;

a. properly: Matthew 10:42; Mark 9:41 (τὸν μισθὸν αὐτοῦ); Luke 15:4, 8, 9; Luke 9:25; Luke 17:33; John 12:25; 2 John 1:8, etc.

b. metaphorically, Christ is said to lose anyone of his followers (whom the Father has drawn to discipleship) if such a one becomes wicked and fails of salvation: John 6:39, cf. John 18:9. Middle to be lost: θρὶξ ἐκ τῆς κεφαλῆς, Luke 21:18; θ. ἀπὸ τῆς κεφαλῆς, Acts 27:34 (Rec. πεσεῖται); τὰ λαμπρὰ ἀπώλετο ἀπό σου, Revelation 18:14 (Rec. ἀπῆλθε). Used of sheep, straying from the flock: properly, Luke 15:4 (τὸ ἀπολωλός, in Matthew 18:12 τὸ πλανώμενον). Metaphorically, in accordance with the O. T. comparison of the people of Israel to a flock (Jeremiah 27:6 (Jer. 50:6); Ezekiel 34:4, 16), the Jews, neglected by their religious teachers, left to themselves and thereby in danger of losing eternal salvation, wandering about as it were without guidance, are called τὰ πρόβατα τὰ ἀπολωλότα τοῦ οἴκου Ἰσραήλ: Matthew 10:6; Matthew 15:24 (Isaiah 53:6; 1 Peter 2:25); and Christ, reclaiming them from wickedness, is likened to a shepherd and is said ζητεῖν καὶ σώζειν τὸ ἀπολωλός: Luke 19:10; Matthew 18:11 Rec. [Compare: συναπόλλυμι.]

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