ScottA, this is too cryptic to make sense of or understand what you are trying to say. As such it is a pointless response.
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DOES NO ONE WANT TO BE CORRECTED?
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ScottA, this is too cryptic to make sense of or understand what you are trying to say. As such it is a pointless response.
Why are you not tracking with your own previous post? It was a very nice post!
I was responding to this statement you made at the end of that previous post:
Here again is my response:
They do, though they have not yet been fully understood by many.
Your statement very much seemed like you were saying that all Christians (paraphrasing) having the Holy Spirit, already have correction and thus have no need of further correction. That would be like saying that when one is born again of the spirit of God they have access to everything--essentially making void God's method of revelation "line upon line, here a little there a little", as if passing over all that remains to be revealed by God in the times to come according to His afore mentioned method.
My response then, was to say that, no, there are still things restrained and sealed until He reveals them according to His own timing. Which, relative to this topic, means that following the foretold false teachers bringing destructive doctrines, the lie causing strong delusion, etc. which was already at work during the time of the apostles and continues to this day--a great amount of correction is in order.
Does that make sense?
ScottA, why I posted the verses you had referenced, and went looking for the third reference given in "(1 Corinthians 23:6)" which does not really exist, that "some have fallen asleep," but the context of the scriptures I quoted does not support your claims that God is finished with Israel as you are consistently claiming.
As I previously posted, your response
From God's prophetic words for Israel in the Old Testament, your claims that Israel is finished is bogus.
Jeremaih wrote Lamentations because he grieved that Israel would continue walking contrary to God for four ages which ends around the start of the year 2045 AD, when once more He will begin gathering Israel to Himself and That He will then redeem them and renew the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession among the Nations covenant with then. That to me sounds very much like God is not finished with the nation of Israel as you seem to be claiming repeatedly.
ScottA start putting you colours up so that people can, without any confusions, know your actual position with respect to Israel, which you are hinting at, that God is finished with Israel.
Please speak plainly and not in riddles so that we can understand what it is that you spoke of.
The error in context is now ages old, as foretold--as I have explained numerous times. Which is the timing of Christ's return for the gentiles after He had finished with Israel, just as He said. But here you are continually beating the same drum of errors already at work during the time of the apostles, repeating the lie, which came from the false teachers who, not seeing Christ return in the flesh, developed their own false and destructive doctrines. And you persist even now after I showed you what you are missing (post #152).
I am willing to explain anything you want, but you have not been willing. Nor have you even reconciled all that is written accepting the fact that errors were foretold to occur during the times you base your beliefs on--just as they did. So, unless, you stop arguing and acknowledge the great errors that make up the building blocks of what has commonly been taught and believed now for centuries, there is no need to continue. The stone you have run into, is not mine, but God's--and everything I have told you is as it is written.
You are not taking God at His word on even the most elementary level.
Unless you can acknowledge that Jesus first came "but for the house of Israel" (as He said), "finished" (as He said), and then moved on to this "other fold" of the gentiles which He "must also bring" (as He said)--you are not ready (or willing) to hear the truth.
not at all we all need correction but its the spirit that convicts and corrects ..yes He will use man but its through the leadership if the spirit
no doubt for the Christian correction is Chastisement granted there is a lot of Junk floating around . in another forum a person posted essential Christian doctrine.. which i agreed with ..But who has the essential i brought out the apostolic differ Calvinist differ etc and each group has scriptures including all the different Baptist.. they removed the post afraid of the truth
Lambano
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Who is authorized to give correction? How would we know?
Who speaks for God?
The reason I asked that question (which nobody picked up on): A book I am reading makes point that Peter in the book of Acts and later Paul were authorized by the Holy Spirit to CORRECT THE BIBLE and make circumcision, sabbath observance, and the kosher dietary laws optional for God's people. The author of Hebrews expanded this into completely obsoleting the covenant made between God and His people and replacing it with a vaguely defined "New Covenant". The concept of God issuing a course-correction on the Bible didn't go over well in the first century, and it wouldn't go over well today.
Who is this guy who's correcting us? Who is he to change our understanding of the eternal word of God? If the Holy Spirit spoke corrective words that corrected the written text, most of us would flat out reject it (and stone the messenger). As was done in Peter and Paul's ministry. It's the same old prophet problem going back to OT times - who is authorized to speak for God? How would we know?
@St. SteVen Tag; you're "it".
Who speaks for God?
The reason I asked that question (which nobody picked up on): A book I am reading makes point that Peter in the book of Acts and later Paul were authorized by the Holy Spirit to CORRECT THE BIBLE and make circumcision, sabbath observance, and the kosher dietary laws optional for God's people. The author of Hebrews expanded this into completely obsoleting the covenant made between God and His people and replacing it with a vaguely defined "New Covenant". The concept of God issuing a course-correction on the Bible didn't go over well in the first century, and it wouldn't go over well today.
Who is this guy who's correcting us? Who is he to change our understanding of the eternal word of God? If the Holy Spirit spoke corrective words that corrected the written text, most of us would flat out reject it (and stone the messenger). As was done in Peter and Paul's ministry. It's the same old prophet problem going back to OT times - who is authorized to speak for God? How would we know?
@St. SteVen Tag; you're "it".
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Ronald Nolette
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Well you think youa re beyond reproach and want people to accept you as the true one. So what you accuse others of you are just as guilty of yourself!.
Perhaps I have beaten around the bush--but no, I have openly stated that what I am bringing to the table--it is given to be by God. Which to some sounds like arrogance...and that is why I have seemingly skirted around the issue of authority. A good question for everyone to ask, is: How would YOU (meaning all) go about speaking of the things given to you by God?--and I don't mean warm and fussy things--I was caught up to the third heaven in the presence of God.
As for who is authorized: only those sent by God--as this is His way.
As for how one would know...His sheep hear His voice. This is the order of the day. Which, unfortunately has a "broad way" and a "narrow way" of being defined, and many are those who go in by the broad way.
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Wow, you really have it all wrong!
I did not say or suggest that I am "beyond reproach", but rather that He who has sent me is beyond reproach.
Nor do I "want people to accept me"--I'm a no body. But I have presented what ought to be accepted, for it is from God.
As for accusing--I have "accused" no one, but have directed what is true with God to a few who have a need to know.
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Since there are already many like you saying the same things and using the Bible to justify their doctrines, how do you prove that you are the one people should choose instead of someone else?
Moreover, does the Bible say that a person would appear on an internet forum saying that we should accept his views, and that to know the truth we should follow that person?
What real guidance should we expect from our God, and from his Son Jesus in our times? Not a human leader, an individual, for sure:
Matt. 24:4 In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you, 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many."
That is not what I am doing, and "proving" what is said, is not how this works. On the contrary, if God chooses to someone to speak, the go and even if reluctantly as Jonah, and declare as God directs. The burden then is finished for the one sent, which then falls upon those who hear it.
As for following me--please don't. I did not ask or suggest any such thing. Follow Christ--but do understand that “When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men.” Selectively, as is His way. And so shall it be until the times are fulfilled.
I am not saying I am Christ--heaven forbid! But I will repeat what He himself said: "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." If you have not hear Christ in me--not according to what you may have believed in light of the many warnings of false teachings--but according to the scriptures, not in part, but in full--then take it up with God--not me.
by my spirit saith the Lord
6So he answered and said to me:
Zechariah 4
“This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel:
‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’
Says the Lord of hosts.
Thank you--this is good!
And how did Zechariah go about speaking of the things given to him by God?
by the Holy spirit if what we speak is not of God directed by the spirit of truth that dwells in us.. its flesh aka us... how else i mean seriously .. your trying make a ant hill into a mountain.. if were missing a point speak up stop jumping around the bush
I am being accused for acting within the parameters given to me by God. I don't like that mountain either.
But thanks for posting a reminder of just what revelations and words from God are suppose to look like, how they come, and what we should expect! It's encouraging.
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