Biblical Repentance

Titus · Jan 21, 2025

MatthewG said:
I believe the definition is change of mind in Greek. @Titus. I think it’s good to use the definitions in what the term identifies with. When John the Baptist was baptizing people, they were showing they had changed their mind and were going to look towards God. John said there would be Jesus who would baptize in in Holy Spirit and fire.

If you’re looking for sanctification? That would be after the change of mind.

Strong's Hebrew 6944: Refers to holiness or sacredness, often used in the context of things set apart for God.

- קָדוֹשׁ (qadosh) - Strong's Hebrew 6918: Meaning holy or sacred, used to describe God, people, or objects dedicated to God.

Usage: Hagiasmos refers to the process of making something holy or set apart for God's purposes. In the New Testament, it often describes the spiritual growth and moral purity expected of believers as they are transformed into the likeness of Christ. It encompasses both the initial act of being set apart at salvation and the ongoing process of spiritual maturation and moral purity.

Would be what you might be looking for, rather than repentance itself. It’s where we become more like Christ by allowing him to flow through us by the Holy Spirit, and that fire burns away our desires to perhaps indulge the flesh as much.

Hello, the discussion is on Jesus' parable of the two sons.
The question that has yet to be answered,

If the first son that said I will not but repented and went to work in his father's vineyard...
If he chose not to go and work could he have repented?
Or would he have repented even if he did not go and work?

I'm familiar with the Greek definition of repentance.
And it cannot answer my question to give the definition.
I accept completely the definition but it alone cannot answer my question.
Also if you have never read the parable I'd appreciate that you do not respond.
That goes for everyone who has come on here to tell me what repentance is.

Hope you will try and give an answer Sir.

Titus · Jan 21, 2025

Romans 1:16,
- for I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ for it is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes for the jew first and also for the greek

Greek definition for the word it :to be, to become, to exist,

Giving the word definition of the Greek word DOES NOT EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS IN ROMANS 1:16.

That's all I'm trying to show, why you are not proving anything by telling me what Greek definition of repentance is.

CONTEXT MATTERS

MatthewG · Jan 21, 2025

Both of those sons didn’t listen to the father. They didn’t listen the first time. Jesus did though, he was the son who listened. I never seen him repent, ever in the scripture as far as I know. The Pharisees also answered wrong. Jesus said the prostitutes and the tax collectors would enter the kingdom before they did. Why? Would that be? Because they looked to the one who could save them? The Pharisees sought after the Law. The others sought in faith towards God and believed in his sent son.

Don’t know if that helps. Thank you for the direction.

MatthewG · Jan 21, 2025

Rahab was a harlot but was mentioned in the hall of fame concerning Faith.

MatthewG said:
Both of those sons didn’t listen to the father. They didn’t listen the first time. Jesus did though, he was the son who listened. I never seen him repent, ever in the scripture as far as I know. The Pharisees also answered wrong. Jesus said the prostitutes and the tax collectors would enter the kingdom before they did. Why? Would that be? Because they looked to the one who could save them? The Pharisees sought after the Law. The others sought in faith towards God and believed in his sent son.

Don’t know if that helps. Thank you for the direction.

Titus · Jan 21, 2025

MatthewG said:
oth of those sons didn’t listen to the father. They didn’t listen the first time. Jesus did though, he was the son who listened. I never seen him repent, ever in the scripture as far as I know. The Pharisees also answered wrong. Jesus said the prostitutes and the tax collectors would enter the kingdom before they did. Why? Would that be? Because they looked to the one who could save them? The Pharisees sought after the Law. The others sought in faith towards God and believed in his sent son.

Don’t know if that helps. Thank you for the direction.

You Sir are different from the other men who have come on here so far, with the exception of Amigo de Christo and Windmill Charge.

Thank God someone actually acknowledged what i'm teaching on.
Very thankful for you Sir.

Ill give an answer when some others give a response as well.
Maybe i'll go ahead and give an explanation before they respond.
We will see.
But i will give an answer about the lesson we can learn from Jesus'teaching on the parable of the two sons, eventually.

Lambano · Jan 21, 2025

Simonides said:
Steve Brown was one of my mentors when I first came to Christ, never personally met the man, but he was a great blessing to me.

I found his ministry to be helpful when things started falling apart. Thus demonstrating that Calvinists don't have to be horse's asses.

Lambano · Jan 22, 2025

Titus said:
I'm not getting into a exegesis of Hebrews 10:26-27 with you.

The only point I am making is the Bible is clear we are not to go on sinning.
Can we agree that is what Hebrews 10:26-27 is condemning?

Simonides said:
Respectfully Brother, the theme of the Book of Hebrews is the far surpassing Glory and Sufficiency of Christ.

And why does the author rattle on about the superiority of Christ to the Temple and OT sacrificial system? The superiority of Christ is a tool the author uses in the service of his main purpose in writing his letter: To warn against falling away from Christ.

Hebrews contains 5 distinct warning passages against apostacy: Hebrews 2:1-4, Hebrews 3:7-4:1, Hebrews 5:11-6:20, Hebrews 10:26-39 (the passage under discussion here), and Hebrews 12:14-29. The target audience is not directly identified, but because they were obviously familiar with the Temple and sacrificial system, it is reasonable to deduce that they were Jewish Christians who were at risk of abandoning Christ (under threat of persecution and death?) and going back to Judaism.

The verse in question is chapter 10 verse 26. The author has just spent two-and-a-half chapters explaining the superiority of Christ and the New Covenant over the Old Covenant's Temple and sacrificial system, and the old system's obsolescence, culminating in chapter 10, verse 18: Now where there is remission of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.

The author then exhorts his audience to faithfulness: 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. Then comes the kicker, for those who do not hold fast: 26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Note the echo of verse 18.

Do you see the overall flow of the letter?

Do you see why I say that this verse is not about sin per se?

Simonides · Jan 22, 2025

MatthewG · Jan 22, 2025

Titus said:
You Sir are different from the other men who have come on here so far, with the exception of Amigo de Christo and Windmill Charge.

Thank God someone actually acknowledged what i'm teaching on.
Very thankful for you Sir.

Ill give an answer when some others give a response as well.
Maybe i'll go ahead and give an explanation before they respond.
We will see.
But i will give an answer about the lesson we can learn from Jesus'teaching on the parable of the two sons, eventually.

Okay.

mailmandan · Jan 22, 2025

Lambano said:
All sin is willful. "Gosh, I don't know how I ended up in bed with that woman. It just happened."

In regard to Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" here carries the idea of deliberate intention, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, deliberate, action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God. (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9)

Lambano · Jan 22, 2025

mailmandan said:
This is a matter of practice.

I want to focus on this, because, as an engineer who writes specs, it begs the question, "How many sins per hour counts as 'practice'?", which is absolutely NOT the attitude God wants us to have.

I think the author recognizes that God views unintentional situations differently, as Leviticus 4 indicates. But I still have to maintain that sin is deliberate and almost always premeditated. (And poor impulse control is no excuse anyway.)

mailmandan said:
The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God. (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9)

Also, your citing of 1 John 3:9 is a related exegetical issue. In order to get past the obvious contradiction with 1 John 1:8 (those born of God cannot sin vs. if we say we have no sin, we're lying), a common work-around is to cite the present active indicative form of ποιέω to say that the author is talking about "practicing sin continuously". I suppose that's better than claiming that it means if someone commits even one sin, they're not born again (which discourages those who are honest with themselves and with God about where they miss the mark), and more truthful than claiming sinless perfection for oneself, but it obscures the author's point. As John states in 1 John 2:1 (cited above), the main purpose of his letter is to exhort his "little children" to strive against sin. I once did a count, and there is something like 26 exhortations to resist sin in the letter, up to and including the very last verse. 1 John 3:9 appeals to his readers' identity as children of God as a reason to fight sin. (If the OP had wanted to cite something to support his thesis that repentance includes striving against your own sin, 1 John would've been a better choice than Hebrews 10:26.) The exegetical point here is to ask what the author's intent is and how does the verse support that purpose? This goes beyond word studies and translation issues.

Titus · Jan 22, 2025

1 John 3:9 = 1John 5:18
- whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin for His seed remaineth in him and he cannot sin because he is born of God

- we know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself
and that wicked one toucheth him not

Born of God does not sin because he protects himself.
The idea of the author is keeping Gods commandments observing the teachings guarding his faith

Proof guarding ones faith keeps him from sin,
1John 5:3-4,
- for this is the love of God that we keep His commandments for whosoever is born of God over cometh the world and this is the victory that overcometh the world even our faith

Guarding our faith by keeping his commandments protects us from satan the wicked one who leads us into sin.

Simonides · Jan 22, 2025

marks · Jan 22, 2025

Lambano said:
I think the author recognizes that God views unintentional situations differently, as Leviticus 4 indicates. But I still have to maintain that sin is deliberate and almost always premeditated. (And poor impulse control is no excuse anyway.)

I think the range goes all the way from casual indifference to some seemingly insignificant wrong thought or action, to the most fierce struggles against the compulsions and delusions and obsessions of mental illness.

Much love!

Titus · Jan 22, 2025

Simonides said:
Good post Lambano,
I'm not sure why your post wasn't quoted here, but this was meant to be a reply to post# 131

I experienced a rather dramatic conversion, being delivered overnight of more sins, and more heinous sins than most believers will ever have to deal with, only to fall away and into the bondage of even more sin of an even more heinous nature, and then after many many years of spiritual despair, at Gods appointed hour was finally restored.

This unfortunate, though providential journey of mine, has left me uniquely qualified to speak on this subject of sin. And at some future point in time, if it be Gods will, I intend to write extensively about the things I have learned. In the mean time, the wanderer, the prodigal, the publican, all lost sheep and struggling souls, are ever in my prayers.

In regards to willful sin. It was revealed to me not long after my restoration, that all willful sin requires the suspension of belief. As there are only two sins listed in the bible for which there can be no forgiveness, Blasphemy of the Spirit and Unbelief, it should not be difficult to understand why Paul and the Apostles were continually exhorting the brethren to resist sin.

I could literally write a book on this subject. But that will do for now.

Would you like to answer the subject matter of my article?
The two sons parable, Matthew 21:28-32

Could the son who first told his father he would not work in his fathers vineyard but later repented and went....
Could this son have repented if he did not go and work in his fathers vineyard?

Simonides · Jan 22, 2025

Titus · Jan 22, 2025

Simonides said:
Let me first ask you a question. Do you really believe that God punishes His children?

Hebrews 12:6,
- for the Lord disciplines the ones He loves and He punishes each one he loves as His child

Simonides · Jan 22, 2025

Titus · Jan 22, 2025

Simonides said:
And which translation would you be quoting that from Titus?

Hebrews 12:6,
- for whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth and scourages every son whom He loves King James Bible

Chasteneth in the Greek means disciplines like a father spanking his child with a rod.
Scourages in the Greek means to whip, to flog, being strapped to a pole or frame for punishment

Hebrews 12:11,
- Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present but painful nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it
New King James

Titus · Jan 22, 2025

Simonides said:
And which translation would you be quoting that from Titus?

I've now answered three of your questions.

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