No authority!

[theefaith]

1 Peter 1:3-5 KJV
3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4) To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

What does God know that we don't?

Here's a clue . . .

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Is this true as written? Will we appear with Him in glory as this passage says will happen?

Much love!

Yes we practice the virtue of Hope
Our lady’s virtue, that’s why Saturday is dedicated to Mary!

but you must choose to believe present tense Jn 3:16 believes
Abide in Christ Jn 15:1
We have eternal life in grace but can lose it reject Christ in apostasy

 

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Yes we practice the virtue of Hope
Our lady’s virtue, that’s why Saturday is dedicated to Mary!

but you must choose to believe present tense Jn 3:16 believes
Abide in Christ Jn 15:1
We have eternal life in grace but can lose it reject Christ in apostasy

How does this effect the fact that God already knows you will inherit? That you will appear with Christ? These things are clearly stated.

God has reserved an inheritance for you. Are you thinking He could be mistaken about you? I wouldn't think you think that, but what's the alternative?

Much love!

 

[theefaith]

How does this effect the fact that God already knows you will inherit? That you will appear with Christ? These things are clearly stated.

God has reserved an inheritance for you. Are you thinking He could be mistaken about you? I wouldn't think you think that, but what's the alternative?

Much love!

as long as your in Christ!

but You still have free will

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:


Speaking to Christians

1. 1 Corinthians 6:9
   Know ye not that the unrighteous shall notinherit the kingdom of God? Be notdeceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
   
   
   
2. Galatians 5:21
   Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shallnot inherit the kingdom of God.
   
   heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
   
   2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
   
   

 

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as long as your in Christ!

but You still have free will

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory except if you don't.

But that's not what it says.

We should talk about "free will" sometime. No one has that. No one among us has any power to choose except within a certain very narrow set of options, and those options change when we are born again.

Much love!

 

[theefaith]

How does this effect the fact that God already knows you will inherit? That you will appear with Christ? These things are clearly stated.

God has reserved an inheritance for you. Are you thinking He could be mistaken about you? I wouldn't think you think that, but what's the alternative?

Much love!

1 Jn 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I know this hard for you to grasp but it's your style that is arrogant and boastful. There are a lot of Christians like that on both sides of the fence. They arrogantly assert that they do church in the correct and approved way and believe only the correct and approved doctrines of Christianity. Little knowing that their arrogance in that assertion (right or wrong isn't the point) shows they don't know Christ very well at all and aren't pleasing and approved by God at all despite the accuracy of their liturgy and doctrines. Only the Spirit of God can convict you of what I'm saying. If you're a real Christian you'll hear him. How you live is what matters, not how you do church.

And that's where you're wrong.

It doesn't give me ANY pleasure to defeat you in a debate.
It DOES, however, give me great pleasure when lies are exposed so that the truth can be stated.

You can "disagree" with Catholic teaching ALL you want.
Just don't LIE about it because that's a violation of God's Commandment (Exod. 20:16) - and a guarantee that you'll be exposed here . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I know this is going to be tough for you because you operate in a completely different paradigm than us anti-Catholics. All teachers everywhere insist they have the truth and that you should listen to them. That's not the issue. The point is, in this New Covenant every true believer has the discernment given to them by virtue of the indwelling Holy Spirit to discern which teacher to listen to and which teacher to not listen to. This has nothing to do with the believer having the capacity to teach himself. This has everything to do with the believer having the anointing to discern between false teaching and real teaching sent from God. We don't need a Catholic priesthood to tell us who is speaking the truth and who is not. That's how it was in the old covenant. Jesus did away with that weak and corrupt system of guidance. Get with the new program!

Interesting.

Tell me, then - WHY there are literally tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different and competing doctrines - yet YOU claim that ALL were led to this "discernment" by the Holy Spirit?

Some Protestant denominations believe in baptismal regeneration, while others do not.
Some believe in soul-sleep, while others do not.
Some believe in the Holy Trinity, while others do not.
Some believe in doctrine of “once saved, always saved”, while others do not.
Some believe in a pre-tribulation “Rapture”, while others do not.
Some believe that only those who were predestined will make it to HEAVEN, while others do not.
Some believe that some were predestined for HELL, while others do not.
Some believe in a woman’s right to choose abortion, while others do not.
Some believe that practicing homosexuality is a sin, while others do not.
Most believe in contraception, while others do not – and the list goes on . . .

Soooooo, how did the Holy Spirit teach ALL of them to "discern" differently??

 

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1 Jn 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Amen!

1 Peter 1:22-25 KJV
22) Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24) For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25) But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Much love!

 

[theefaith]

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory except if you don't.

But that's not what it says.

We should talk about "free will" sometime. No one has that. No one among us has any power to choose except within a certain very narrow set of options, and those options change when we are born again.

Much love!

spiritual anarchy!

faith alone!

Christ did it all!
I believe, now I can get a haram!

 

[theefaith]

Amen!

1 Peter 1:22-25 KJV
22) Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24) For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25) But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Much love!

you can choose to not let it abide in you
You can sin unto death (mortal sin)
Reject Christ!
Apostasy?
heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Eph 2 refers to redemption not salvation
Or explain romans
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
And
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Well I take reading may not be a strong point of yours.

If god wanted Eph. 2, Romans 13:11, and Romans 10:9-10 to say redemption He would have inspired that word redemption (apolytrōsis) and not salvation (soteria)

Seriously thee faith, if you want to argue the bible, then argue the bible and not a made up redefining of the words used in the bible.

 

[BreadOfLife]

We don't need a Catholic priesthood to tell us who is speaking the truth and who is not. That's how it was in the old covenant. Jesus did away with that weak and corrupt system of guidance. Get with the new program!

In case you haven't heard - this IS the "New Program" . . .

John 17:20-21
“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through THEIR WORD, that they may all be ONE, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me."

 

[theefaith]

Well I take reading may not be a strong point of yours.

If god wanted Eph. 2, Romans 13:11, and Romans 10:9-10 to say redemption He would have inspired that word redemption (apolytrōsis) and not salvation (soteria)

Seriously thee faith, if you want to argue the bible, then argue the bible and not a made up redefining of the words used in the bible.

no it say quote:
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

this Cannot refer to salvation

I must believe and confess but here it says not of yourselves!!

if it is only by Christ is refers to redemption!!

 

[Illuminator]

Jesus said that the unity of Christians would be objective evidence to the world that He had been sent by God (John 17:20-23). How can the world see an invisible "unity" that exists only in the hearts of believers?

 

[theefaith]

Jesus said that the unity of Christians would be objective evidence to the world that He had been sent by God (John 17:20-23). How can the world see an invisible "unity" that exists only in the hearts of believers?

Matt 5:14
Ye (the apostles/ the church) are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
(There is only one church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors!) Jn 10:16

 

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Seriously thee faith, if you want to argue the bible, then argue the bible and not a made up redefining of the words used in the bible.

Arguments over words brings ruin.

Once someone demonstrates that they will dispute over whether a word in Scripture means what that word means, it's over.

I find that the end of pretty much every dispute over the interpretation of a passage, if someone is actually able to debate to a reasonable conclusion, it pretty much always, seems to me, comes down to someone pointing to a verse and saying, Yes, it says THAT, but it actually means THIS.

If concluded that a correct understand will harmonize throughout the Bible, without having to do that.

Much love!

 

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In case you haven't heard - this IS the "New Program" . . .

John 17:20-21
“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through THEIR WORD, that they may all be ONE, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me."

That's the apostles, not the CC 'priesthood'.

We read the Gospels, and believe.

Much love!

 

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and their successors!

This part is added and does not appear in Scripture.

Why would I need a human 'priest' since I've become a son of God, and Jesus is my Priest?

Much love!

 

[theefaith]

no it says quote:
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

this Cannot refer to salvation

I must believe and confess but here it says not of yourselves!!

belief and confession are of myself
Volition choose to do so

if it is only by Christ is refers to redemption!!

 

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Jesus said that the unity of Christians would be objective evidence to the world that He had been sent by God (John 17:20-23). How can the world see an invisible "unity" that exists only in the hearts of believers?

I think it's if we live that way.

These forums are a terrible demonstration of that.

Much love!