No authority!

[theefaith]

That defies the description of the temple of God given in scripture. Peter says the Chief Shepherd is Christ, and he calls himself a fellow elder, not THE elder. And so we non-Catholics follow that model—the scriptural one. Not your model where Peter, then successive individuals holding the Catholic created office of the Pope are the sole foundation of the church.

The foundation is and always will be the the prophets and the apostles. And all the rest of us, regardless of our office and calling and gifting are built on top of that already established foundation. Christ being, both, the capstone and the cornerstone of that building. The Catholics created a distorted, non-Biblical model of the building and temple of God.

matt 28:19-20

Eph 2:20

 

[theefaith]

Yours is nothing more than a study club with fellowship, hows the fellowship lately? Covid killed it!

 

[theefaith]

Only one church founded by Christ jn 10:16

 

[theefaith]

That defies the description of the temple of God given in scripture. Peter says the Chief Shepherd is Christ, and he calls himself a fellow elder, not THE elder. And so we non-Catholics follow that model—the scriptural one. Not your model where Peter, then successive individuals holding the Catholic created office of the Pope are the sole foundation of the church.

The foundation is and always will be the the prophets and the apostles. And all the rest of us, regardless of our office and calling and gifting are built on top of that already established foundation. Christ being, both, the capstone and the cornerstone of that building. The Catholics created a distorted, non-Biblical model of the building and temple of God.

acts 1 has the apostolic succession and if applies to judus how much more to Peter?

Fathers have care of their children, spiritual fathers care for our souls!

Pope, papa, father, yes spiritual father!

Isa 22 father

Christ is the head of the church!
Peter is appointed by Christ as the head of the church on earth!
Supreme pastor and teacher of the faithful!

Matt 10:2
First apostle Peter:

Matt 17:27
Jesus and Peter are one:
Jesus even works a miracle to make this point. 27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

Mt 16:18 Peter received the keys of the kingdom: (jurisdictional authority of the universal church) and the power to bind and loose:

Lk 22:32
Peter commanded to confirm his breathren:

Lk 22:32
Jesus prays for Peter:

Jn 21:17
Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:

Matt 10:2
Peter is the prince of the apostles, head of the universal church on earth!

Jn 20:21-23
Peter and the apostles receive the Holy Spirit and the power to forgive sins:

Acts 1:15 1:17 1:26
Peter declares Judas office of apostle valid and vacant and chooses a successor:

Acts 2:14
Peter preaches the first sermon on Pentecost:

Acts 2:38
Peter requires baptism as the outward sign and initiation into the new covenant!

Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,

Acts 5 authority of the apostles verified by them being stricken dead by God verifying Matt 16:18 matt 18:18 whatsoever you bind on earth is bound in heaven and the apostles have the light of the Holy Spirit!


1 Tim 1 Paul is Timothy’s spiritual father.
1 Jn 2:1 little children are adult Christians, John is their spiritual father.

Apostles have Care for our souls
(Acts 20:28 Jn 21:17 Heb 13:17)

———

The successors of Moses having kingdom authority of the keys and the power to bind and loose Mt 23 was taken from them Mt 21:43 and given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors: Mt 16:18 Mt 18:18 and Jesus says this power and authority is to be obeyed!

Rom 13:2
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
(If it applies to civil authority, how much more to religious authority)

Mt 28:18-20
all authority is given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors requiring obedience, rom 1:5 obedience to the faith!
And Jesus say to Peter, the apostles, and their successors: behold I am with you even until the end of the world!!!
So the apostles have to remain until the end!

Lk 10:16 He who hears you hears me...
(The apostles and their successors)

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Without a central authority there can be no unity of the spirit, no obedience to the faith!
God - Christ - Peter - the apostles - the apostles successors - the people

Hierarchy is the nature of authority!

God always establishes order in obedience to hierarchical authority!

 

[theefaith]

If God wished Mary to be worshipped as the RCC does and be co-redemptrix, co-Mediatrix, He would have included it in SCripture! He didn't so you shouldn't either.

still waiting?

 

[Wrangler]

show me how the sacred “context” of John 1 makes Jesus not the word???

I think I've already shown you this several times already. Where is the sacred “context” of John 1 that makes Jesus the word??? It does not exist. It's pure 4th century man-made doctrine.

 

[Wrangler]

Matt 17:27
Jesus and Peter are one:

Does this make Peter also God? If not, why not?

 

[amigo de christo]

If folks had even a tenth of the zeal for preaching JESUS and biblical doctrine , as they do for preaching Rome or etc
the world could have again been turned upside down for the faith . Folks its time to follow Christ and learn those bibles .
Cause we got a madhouse of decievers pumping all sorts of false doctrine and yet saying WE the CHURCH
and if ya aint part of THEIR CHURCH you an apostate .
Well i wont be following apostate Rome . Let us follow Christ and have all zeal for His teachings and the teachings of the apostels
all good sound biblical doctrine .

 

[Taken]

Lk 1:28 full of grace

Yet again you say one thing, then blindly pick a Scripture that doesn't even mention what you say.

Reasoning fail.

Luke 1:
[28] And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

 

[Taken]

Jesus is the truth and He must teach us!

Being taught by Jesus requires one to open their ears and hear what he says, instead of
making up your own Gospel and pretending it is verified in Gods inspired Word.

 

[Taken]

sorry Lk 1:30

Mary being favored is "How you receive Salvation?


Luke 1:30
[30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

What is your source for such nonsense?

 

[Taken]

yes consented

Mary consented to YOUR Salvation?

What is your source for such nonsense?

 

[Illuminator]

Cause we got a madhouse of decievers pumping all sorts of false doctrine and yet saying WE the CHURCH

and if ya aint part of THEIR CHURCH you an apostate .
Well i wont be following apostate Rome .

Straw man fallacy. "Rome" doesn't teach that. ""Rome" teaches that all who are baptized in Christ are Christians. That includes rebellious radical Protestants like you. I have repeated CCC817-820 several times, but it falls on deaf ears. We offer an olive branch and sowers of division spit on it.

Let us follow Christ and have all zeal for His teachings and the teachings of the apostels all good sound biblical doctrine .

Until you come up with evidence that Jesus and the Apostles taught "faith alone" and "scripture alone", you are just preaching man made traditions that started in the 16th century. They are novel inventions that didn't exist before.

 

[justbyfaith]

Straw man fallacy. "Rome" doesn't teach that. ""Rome" teaches that all who are baptized in Christ are Christians.

You are being dishonest in that you are not referring to everything that is taught by Rome.

I believe that I have seen quotes from Catholic sources in times past that show that the teaching of the Catholic Church is that Protestants are not saved.

And while I cannot produce those quotes, you are going to have to take my word for it (or not) that I have in fact seen them.

I have no reason to lie about such a thing.

 

[Illuminator]

I think I've already shown you this several times already. Where is the sacred “context” of John 1 that makes Jesus the word??? It does not exist. It's pure 4th century man-made doctrine.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The Jehovah's Witnesses changed John 1:1 to make it fit their made-in-America doctrines. That's not you, is it?

 

[amigo de christo]

any church and or organization that claims to be a church is gonna be tested on bible doctrine .
That is how ye shall know them . Thus dont enter into Rome or many of her protestant daughters either .
Test the leaders of churches . Test their doctrine and do so always .
If they are in error you can try and correct the leaders . But if they refuse , you got no choice but to leave .
And take as many as you can with you . There is a reason why paul said , deacons , elders , bishops must be blameless .
Cause if the leaders are in trouble , the whole flock will be in trouble . So . keep out of rome
and keep out of any other body that would hold onto to dangerous heresays and fallacies .
The way things are headed , house , cave , or churches in the woods might be coming .
I really believe the true lambs will have to go underground . Cause laws are gonna pass
and they gonna be wicked ones . And we cant compromise with this world , no matter what .
Let all both praise and thank the LORD . For the mercy of HIS grace given us IN JESUS CHRIST .
NOW let the LORD be praised .

 

[Illuminator]

any church and or organization that claims to be a church is gonna be tested on bible doctrine .
That is how ye shall know them . Thus dont enter into Rome or many of her protestant daughters either .
Test the leaders of churches . Test their doctrine and do so always .
If they are in error you can try and correct the leaders . But if they refuse , you got no choice but to leave .
And take as many as you can with you . There is a reason why paul said , deacons , elders , bishops must be blameless .
Cause if the leaders are in trouble , the whole flock will be in trouble . So . keep out of rome
and keep out of any other body that would hold onto to dangerous heresays and fallacies .
The way things are headed , house , cave , or churches in the woods might be coming .
I really believe the true lambs will have to go underground . Cause laws are gonna pass
and they gonna be wicked ones . And we cant compromise with this world , no matter what .
Let all both praise and thank the LORD . For the mercy of HIS grace given us IN JESUS CHRIST .
NOW let the LORD be praised .

So Catholics and Protestants are wrong except you? That is Protestantism in its purest form!

CATHOLIC LEAGUE FOR RELIGIOUS AND CIVIL RIGHTS
2020 YEAR IN REVIEW

Bill Donohue

When I became president and CEO of the Catholic League in 1993, the lion’s share of anti-Catholic bigotry stemmed from the entertainment industry and the media. Fast forward to today and we find that the primary source of anti-Catholicism is government.

In other words, we are regressing. It is one thing to be disparaged, even viciously so; it is quite another to be discriminated against.

The first serious discriminatory act of the year took place in Utah...​

read more here

Of course, you couldn't tolerate me agreeing with you.

 

[amigo de christo]

illuminator . dont take what i say next personal . But i dont fight and strive with folks . And i percieve you wont even hear anything i have to say on the subject . Time to preach JESUS , not rome , not any other denomination either . JUST HIM .
And have those bibles read daily and love every word in them .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I'm not impressed by your grade-school "school-yard" logic. Just because one person does something wrong doesn't make it okay for someone else.

You miss the point entirely. Any so-called "authority", claiming to have divine guidance with regard to belief and practice, allowing the clergy to not only practice pedophilia but also covers it up, is not worthy to be called a moral authority. If you can't see this, then pray for enlightenment.

And if YOU can't see that Christ's Churchi is NOT just those within it who commit grave sin - then I suggest you read your Bible.

His Church has had scroundrels fro the beginning - that were hand-picked by HIM.
Ever hear of Judas??

Talk about "schoolyard" locgic . . .

 

[Nancy]

any church and or organization that claims to be a church is gonna be tested on bible doctrine .
That is how ye shall know them . Thus dont enter into Rome or many of her protestant daughters either .
Test the leaders of churches . Test their doctrine and do so always .
If they are in error you can try and correct the leaders . But if they refuse , you got no choice but to leave .
And take as many as you can with you . There is a reason why paul said , deacons , elders , bishops must be blameless .
Cause if the leaders are in trouble , the whole flock will be in trouble . So . keep out of rome
and keep out of any other body that would hold onto to dangerous heresays and fallacies .
The way things are headed , house , cave , or churches in the woods might be coming .
I really believe the true lambs will have to go underground . Cause laws are gonna pass
and they gonna be wicked ones . And we cant compromise with this world , no matter what .
Let all both praise and thank the LORD . For the mercy of HIS grace given us IN JESUS CHRIST .
NOW let the LORD be praised .

All these things you say bro Amigo, should be told to everyone we know, especially un believers so that when things really start to happen, they will remember, ;)