Christian "gay Bashing"
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-- If you peruse older posts of this thread you will see where people here state that the very practice of sharing the Gospel with homosexuals is considered "bashing them."
The way I see it, before we ever go out preaching remember this 'nobody cares what you know until they know that you care' you dont press on them not to be homo sexual, you share Gods love and let them know that you love them and care and that God does too,and that he sent his Son Jesus to die for our sins, as they grow with the Lord, he will give them repentance, and that same person that you gave love and cared for might come to you asking questions about the matter. Only God can give repenence and change a heart, just like he did with us.
Think of how you got saved, did a preacher come to you pressing commands that went against what you did?
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Lets say me for an example, I didnt have people pressing on me not to sell drugs or id feel Gods wrath, they just shared about his love, grace, peace, and promises; and in due time God changed my heart.
Think of how you got saved, did a preacher come to you pressing commands that went against what you did?
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Lets say me for an example, I didnt have people pressing on me not to sell drugs or id feel Gods wrath, they just shared about his love, grace, peace, and promises; and in due time God changed my heart.
Is there a part 3 to this or another episode? At the end he says they'll be talking to more pastors. I'd like to see more.
Unfortunately, this scenario is all too familiar to me as a bisexual Christian. I've seen it all, from the anti-gay protesters to anti-gay pastors and individual Christians. I've even had sermons preached about me after foolishly confiding in pastors about my struggles. Now I don't trust pastors enough to confide in them about anything.
The anti-gay protests are not about love. The protesters themselves may believe it is, but their target audience only see judgment, bigotry, and hate. If people want to reach the LGBT community, they must rethink their tactics. I just posted one of my old blogs here on the subject if anybody' interested: http://www.christianityboard.com/blog/56/entry-50-ministering-to-the-lgbt-community/
Now, with the shameless self promotion out of the way, the thing that struck me the most is the second video. If Jesus came down and sat next to you and told you it is not a sin, or that it is a sin, would you accept that even if it goes against what you believe now? I see a lot of anti-gay Christians so set in their hatred that I don't think they would accept it, not even from Jesus.
One more thing I might add, the debate is not over homosexuality, it's over homosexual behavior. In most Christian discussions I hear, there is no distinction made between sexual orientation and sexual behavior. There are many people, including Christians, who have that same sex attraction but never act on it.
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
First I don't respond to sarcasm and two the verse you quoted in Romans is written to those already in the kingdom, not those living an immoral way of life.
"And when Jesus said "nether do I condemn thee" John 8:10-11.... is that not the grace of God? Tell me Mr Bible Collage what say you?" - Bud
-- I found this comment rather humorous because Bud is being a smart butt about that person's education level but he spelled the word 'college' wrong ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
The simple point that seems to be missed by Bud is that Jesus is basically telling her that he has forgiven her for the SIN THAT SHE WAS COMMITTING
That means what she was doing was wrong.
That is why he tells her "Go, and SIN NO MORE."
At that point she was forgiven and pure as snow. But if she continued to do what she was doing she would have been tainted by sin again and - unless she quit and sought forgiveness again - would have died in her sins.
To this very day we have no idea whether that woman is in heaven or hell. The choice was hers.
-- I found this comment rather humorous because Bud is being a smart butt about that person's education level but he spelled the word 'college' wrong ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
The simple point that seems to be missed by Bud is that Jesus is basically telling her that he has forgiven her for the SIN THAT SHE WAS COMMITTING
That means what she was doing was wrong.
That is why he tells her "Go, and SIN NO MORE."
At that point she was forgiven and pure as snow. But if she continued to do what she was doing she would have been tainted by sin again and - unless she quit and sought forgiveness again - would have died in her sins.
To this very day we have no idea whether that woman is in heaven or hell. The choice was hers.
Prophet Todd Hall - Homosexuality
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=JA_cz34sY3U
Prophet Brian Carn - Homosexuality
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=6WYGmHcVgVQ
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=JA_cz34sY3U
Prophet Brian Carn - Homosexuality
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=6WYGmHcVgVQ
Sorry, just posting links without explanation is like demanding that someone jump through your hoops.
A synopsis perhaps?
A synopsis perhaps?
Yeah, a synopsis would be good, or maybe just you're trying to make with them. The video's not loading for me.
Yeah, a synopsis would be good, or maybe just the pont you're trying to make with them. The video's not loading for me.
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Yeah, a synopsis would be good, or maybe just you're trying to make with them. The video's not loading for me.
Fixed.
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Excuse me. The point I'm trying to make is the state that the church is in. I don't have time to go in depth, but I have the stubborn tendency to do so. lol. It's like I can't just give you a synopsis in one or two sentences. I'm in the process of writing some letters to... But I can't really go into it now, as far as what I believe is happening throughout the body of Christ. But you will probably get a better synopsis just by reading the comments at the bottom of these videos. The videos should be working. But the major point I was making is to use your own discernment on the messages in the videos. Do you think that these ministers were preaching out of their flesh or in the Spirit?
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Choir Loft
The beast, the final anti-christ may be a gay man.
Consider this passage in the book of Daniel. It begins with 11:31 identifying him with the "abomination of desolation". Jesus verified this identification during His ministry.
In verse 36 it says that this person "will speak monstrous things against the God of gods".
In verse 37 it seems to reveal his sexual preference as well as his religious background.
"And he will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other god; for he will magnify himself above them all"
Consider this passage in the book of Daniel. It begins with 11:31 identifying him with the "abomination of desolation". Jesus verified this identification during His ministry.
In verse 36 it says that this person "will speak monstrous things against the God of gods".
In verse 37 it seems to reveal his sexual preference as well as his religious background.
"And he will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other god; for he will magnify himself above them all"
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Posted 30 January 2011 - 10:33 PM
"Hi everyone,
After returning from a wonderful retreat at my monastery, God has convicted my heart in several areas and it has lead me to a decision. After re-reading The Imitation of Christ, I have decided that God is more concerned with me spending my free time loving and serving others rather than posting on this board so I want to let everyone know that I enjoyed my time here and reading all your interesting posts, but I am going to be moving on.
God Bless!" -- Aspen
-- Apparently that whole "loving and serving others" thing didn't pan out for you. Two whole weeks, huh?
But thanks for admitting that you were never actually doing that while you were here.
Martin this is a very strong post, thank you - I have a problem with posters at my education work place that show same sex couples marrying, it seems like a promotion of anti Christian views - any suggestions how I deal with this, as I would be considered intolerant if I said the posters offended by beliefs!! :)
There are people that love to point to the verses that say homosexuality is a sin and that justifies their behavior. Let's look at some scripture.
Luke 6:36-37 [sup]36[/sup]Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. [font="arial][/font][/size]
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[size="3"][font="arial]Now let's compare that verse to the entire chapter of 1 Cor. 5. [/font][/size]
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[size="3"][font="arial]1 Cor 5 [/font][/size][sup]1[/sup]It is reported commonly [i]that there is[/i] fornication [b][u]among you[/u][/b], and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. [sup]2[/sup]And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
[sup]3[/sup][b]For I verily[/b], as absent in body, but present in spirit, [b][u]have judged already[/u][/b], as though I were present, [i]concerning[/i] him that hath so done this deed,
[sup]4[/sup]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[sup]5[/sup]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
[sup]6[/sup]Your glorying [i]is[/i] not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
[sup]7[/sup]Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
[sup]8[/sup]Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened [i]bread[/i] of sincerity and truth.
[sup]9[/sup][b]I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators[/b]:
[sup]10[/sup][b]Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.[/b]
[sup]11[/sup]But now I have written unto you not to keep company, [b][u]if any man that is called a brother[/u] be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. [/b]
[sup]12[/sup]For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
[sup]13[/sup][b]But them that are without God judgeth[/b]. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
So is Paul contradicting Jesus? Not at all.. What is Paul saying? Paul is saying that there are times to judge others and times to not judge? So how do you know the difference? Paul did not judge people outside the church. But he most certainly judged those inside the church.
Both of these passages were written in a culture that took great importance on the aspect of hospitality. To invite someone into your house, or to go into the house of another person to sit down at a meal was a sign of acceptance, a sign of loving the other person. This is the exact reason that the Pharisees and the Sadducees had such a problem with Jesus sitting down and eating with the sinners; the drunks, the prostitutes and the tax collectors. Jesus just didn't meet these types of people in the streets, he met them in their homes. He let them know that God loved them, and He loved them. Once he did that, then they were open to listening to him.
Here is the thing. Do I believe that homosexuality is a sin? Absolutely. Do I believe that heterosexual adultery is a sin? Absolutely. I believe that there are a lot of things that are sins. But if you don't see anything wrong with these people holding up these signs.. some of them are just harsh truths.. some of them are just plain vile, but all of them are spoken from a standpoint of hate. Not only that, but the primary point of the signs are a lie. The focus of the signs are that people should change their sinful lifestyle or they are going to Hell. And that is quite plainly a lie of omission. Even if they changed their lifestyle, which I can not imagine anyone responding to this vile display, if that is all they did, and they never committed another homosexual act in their entire life, unless they come to Jesus, they will go to Hell anyway. It is not their sinful Lifestyle that is sending them to Hell, it is the fact that they do not have a relationship with Jesus that will send them to Hell. And these 'people' holding the signs are portraying God as someone who could never accept them. If you felt that God could never accept you, no matter what, would you ever have come to Christ? I know I wouldn't. Was I a sinner when I came to Christ? Yes! If God could accept me while I was an unsaved sinner, then God can accept even practicing Homosexuals. And if God can accept Homosexuals, when why can't we? These so called 'christians' are driving people away from God instead of just showing them God's love and allowing the Holy Spirit work on them.
I believe that these so called Christians would fall directly into the group of being vile, and so, are not really part of the Family of God to begin with, and will be wondering why will God not accept them? Not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter in. They are the ones who will hear the Father say, "Depart from me you worker of iniquity, [b]I never knew you.[/b]"
Joshua David
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Luke 6:36-37 [sup]36[/sup]Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. [font="arial][/font][/size]
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[size="3"][font="arial]Now let's compare that verse to the entire chapter of 1 Cor. 5. [/font][/size]
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[size="3"][font="arial]1 Cor 5 [/font][/size][sup]1[/sup]It is reported commonly [i]that there is[/i] fornication [b][u]among you[/u][/b], and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. [sup]2[/sup]And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
[sup]3[/sup][b]For I verily[/b], as absent in body, but present in spirit, [b][u]have judged already[/u][/b], as though I were present, [i]concerning[/i] him that hath so done this deed,
[sup]4[/sup]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[sup]5[/sup]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
[sup]6[/sup]Your glorying [i]is[/i] not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
[sup]7[/sup]Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
[sup]8[/sup]Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened [i]bread[/i] of sincerity and truth.
[sup]9[/sup][b]I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators[/b]:
[sup]10[/sup][b]Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.[/b]
[sup]11[/sup]But now I have written unto you not to keep company, [b][u]if any man that is called a brother[/u] be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. [/b]
[sup]12[/sup]For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
[sup]13[/sup][b]But them that are without God judgeth[/b]. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
So is Paul contradicting Jesus? Not at all.. What is Paul saying? Paul is saying that there are times to judge others and times to not judge? So how do you know the difference? Paul did not judge people outside the church. But he most certainly judged those inside the church.
Both of these passages were written in a culture that took great importance on the aspect of hospitality. To invite someone into your house, or to go into the house of another person to sit down at a meal was a sign of acceptance, a sign of loving the other person. This is the exact reason that the Pharisees and the Sadducees had such a problem with Jesus sitting down and eating with the sinners; the drunks, the prostitutes and the tax collectors. Jesus just didn't meet these types of people in the streets, he met them in their homes. He let them know that God loved them, and He loved them. Once he did that, then they were open to listening to him.
Here is the thing. Do I believe that homosexuality is a sin? Absolutely. Do I believe that heterosexual adultery is a sin? Absolutely. I believe that there are a lot of things that are sins. But if you don't see anything wrong with these people holding up these signs.. some of them are just harsh truths.. some of them are just plain vile, but all of them are spoken from a standpoint of hate. Not only that, but the primary point of the signs are a lie. The focus of the signs are that people should change their sinful lifestyle or they are going to Hell. And that is quite plainly a lie of omission. Even if they changed their lifestyle, which I can not imagine anyone responding to this vile display, if that is all they did, and they never committed another homosexual act in their entire life, unless they come to Jesus, they will go to Hell anyway. It is not their sinful Lifestyle that is sending them to Hell, it is the fact that they do not have a relationship with Jesus that will send them to Hell. And these 'people' holding the signs are portraying God as someone who could never accept them. If you felt that God could never accept you, no matter what, would you ever have come to Christ? I know I wouldn't. Was I a sinner when I came to Christ? Yes! If God could accept me while I was an unsaved sinner, then God can accept even practicing Homosexuals. And if God can accept Homosexuals, when why can't we? These so called 'christians' are driving people away from God instead of just showing them God's love and allowing the Holy Spirit work on them.
I believe that these so called Christians would fall directly into the group of being vile, and so, are not really part of the Family of God to begin with, and will be wondering why will God not accept them? Not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter in. They are the ones who will hear the Father say, "Depart from me you worker of iniquity, [b]I never knew you.[/b]"
Joshua David
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Quoting Scripture is not judging.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)
[sup]9 [/sup]Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, [sup]10 [/sup]nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
These people have judged themselves when they live these sinful lives listed here.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)
[sup]9 [/sup]Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, [sup]10 [/sup]nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
These people have judged themselves when they live these sinful lives listed here.
It can be depending on how it is used. These "christians" would do well to look up the word 'reviler', or 'vile' in the KJV. Of course, it is so easy to see the fault in others, yet so hard to see the fault in ourselves. Here is the sticking point. Christ never tells us to go out into the world and to tell people to stop sinning. Do we, and should we tell those within the church to stop sinning? Absolutely. But that is to the be done in the church, after the person has already come to Christ, and even then, after we have carefully and prayerfully examined our own heart.
If you disagree, show me chapter and verse to prove that we are to go out and tell people to stop sinning. Just because you are quoting scripture does not mean that you are doing the Lord's work. These people may be quoting scripture, but they are doing their father's business, for their father tempted our Lord and Savior in the desert by quoting scripture. These people are no better and have the same spirit as the Pharisee and the Saducees, when they condemn the Lord for eating with the drunken and the tax collectors.
Christ tells us to go out and to preach the gospel. What is the gospel? I may not have been a homosexual when I came to God, but I was a sinner. I had pre-marital sex. I committed adultery in my heart. I lied. I stole. I talked about other people behind their back. I regularly got drunk. I occasionally looked at porn. I was a worthless, sin-filled, rotten to the core, living life for me person. I was no better and I was probably worse than a lot of those homosexuals. Did Christians come up to me and told me that I had to change or I was going to Hell? Did they come up to me and tell me that God hated me? No, they told me that God loved me. That Christ died for me, so that I could have a relationship with God. That is the gospel.
Listen to me. What Christians fail to understand is that until anyone, including homosexuals, come to God, they are sin's slave. They couldn't really change even if they wanted too. That is the whole point behind the gospel. We come to God as we are, like everyone who came to God, as sinners. Then the Holy Spirit comes into us, and breaks sins chains in our life. That is the gospel.
What these people are doing is not sharing the Love of Christ, they are sharing the hate of Satan for all of humanity and desires man to run as far away from God as man can get.
Joshua David
Jesus did.
John 5:14 (NKJV)
[sup]14 [/sup]Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "See, you have been made well. SIN NO MORE, lest a worse thing come upon you."
How can it be any clearer?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)
[sup]9 [/sup]Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, [sup]10 [/sup]nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
"These people"? Sounds like you are judging.
Those who defend living sinful lives will also be held accountable.
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." - Mark 16:15 KJV
-- The gospel states that we are all sinners but that Jesus died to pay the price for our sins. It teaches that all we have to do is TURN AWAY FROM OUT SIN, accept Him as your personal Savior, and you will be saved.
Turning away from sin is ESSENTIAL to being forgiven and being saved.
If you tell them to accept Jesus, but don't tell them what it entails, you are in fact being dishonest with them.
If the person who led me to the Lord hadn't pointed out to me that living with the woman I love outside of marraige was a sin, I would have continued to do it, assuming that since God is love and I love her then He would be fine with it, I would have continued in that sin and would have either fallen away from God due to seperation from the Holy Spirit and/or died in my sin and gotten a rude surpise when standing before God.
You witness to homosexuals just like everyone else: Let them know that you too were a sinner but that you have turned from that and you now have Jesus as your savior and are going to heaven.
You let them know that God loves them as much as He loves you and wants the best for them.
If you have ever witnessed to someone who is homosexual, though you find out that, unlike practices of other sins, many are unwilling to accept that what they do is an actual sin and they become upset because you won't agree with them.
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