Who founded your church?

[jaybird]

burned by the state

Starting in 1593, Bruno was tried for heresy by the Roman Inquisition on charges of denial of several core Catholic doctrines, including eternal damnation, the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, the virginity of Mary, and transubstantiation. Bruno's pantheism was not taken lightly by the church,[4] nor was his teaching of the transmigration of the soul and reincarnation. The Inquisition found him guilty, and he was burned at the stake in Rome's Campo de' Fiori in 1600.

the state executed heretics not the church

eternal damnation
Trinity
the divinity of Christ
the virginity of Mary
transubstantiation
pantheism
transmigration of the soul
reincarnation

are these secular ideas?

 

[jaybird]

LOL...hundreds of thousands Jaybird??? Not even historians agree with your number. Can you link a reliable website that backs up your claim??? What man do you follow that gave you that number????

Also, are you only talking about The Church or are you talking about the Protestants that burned people alive??? Sadly, they both did it. But I get it.....you only want to point out the mistakes of The Church and not the Protestant sects that broke off from The Church.

Mary

i have read a million, but if it was one, that would be one to many.
both Prots and Caths, makes no difference.
some of the worsts atrocities were carried out in Ireland. when the Irish were starving the Prot missionaries would offer them soup, but only if they converted. if they refused these "men of G-D" would have no problem watching them starve to death.

 

[Renniks]

see it is a serious matter

That justifies murder?

 

[Renniks]

Thanks Renniks......for 2,000 years men have been saying 'Jesus is my authority" and now we have hundreds of sects....one of which you follow...and multiple interpretations of the exact same passage....How sad!!! I don't know what you mean by keeping the truth from the people and allowing them to die without ever hearing the gospel.....another bizarre Protesant accusation I suspect

Really? Let me tell you about my first Sunday school teacher, Mrs. Komar ...a little Polish lady who came to America. She was raised Catholic, but never once given the truth, that she could accept Jesus personally and be saved from her sin. Not that she had to do this or that ritual to be saved...but that he died for her. Fortunately, after she came to America a neighbor invited her to a small "holiness" church. No elaborate rituals, no big stain glass windows, just people who truly loved and knew Jesus. She was such a joyful person and loving people like her taught more about God than any sermon ever did. The gospel isn't "Listen to a man recite stuff you can't understand because it's in Latin (why?) And do this ritual and pay money to the church to keep your relatives out of purgatory. It's " Come unto me all you who are heavily laden and I will give you rest."

 

[Renniks]

what biblical knowledge?
All I need to be a fundamentalist Protestant is a Bible in my own language?
Why then am I not Protestant?

Because you are still listening to Rome instead of Jesus.

 

[CharismaticLady]

OK...OK...Hold on....The Roman Catholic Church (RCC) killed the last desposyni????

What evidence have you of this Lady??? What man taught you that??? I have NEVER heard that accusation before and I LOVE to learn new things....P L E A S E enlighten me and tell me what man taught you that!!!!

Curious Mary

Hi Mary,

We are kindred spirits. I love to learn new facts too, but especially that God answered my prayer for Him to cleanse any denominational falsehoods from my mind, and replace them with the truth of His Word straight from the Author. Mary, what happened next was amazing and supernatural. The Bible became so clear, but alarming, as no denomination teaches what I've learned. And that is why I can no long affiliate with any denomination, but can fellowship anywhere.

As for your question, it was years ago and I no longer have access to the source. I was doing research for a book on church history that I was writing at the time. I borrowed the source from my pastor but he moved to California and took it with him. But I did write a document on my computer based on the facts and printed a copy, but I have looked and looked, and it seems I left it in my move across country. What I do remember it was in the 6th century that the last Desposyni was hunted down and killed by the Roman Church. Eusebus writes about them, but he wasn't alive when the last one died, and don't remember what ancient historian mentioned them. I'm sure the information is still out there somewhere, and I would love to get my hands on it. But the Crusaders killed thousands of Jews, and the Desposyni, of course, were Jewish Christians and had to go into hiding.

Seeing as they are gone now, we still have the Bible, and can follow the first church - the original - which was free of Gnostics, Nicolaitans and paganism. I try to adhere to the ways of the first Christians, and not what the modern church has become.

It is interesting that those heretical influences are still alive. But, at least the RCC and Orthodox didn't hold to the doctrines of the first two, but some Protestants are Gnostic and don't even know it, redefining the doctrine of grace from divine power to unmerited favor.

 

[CharismaticLady]

In the 1st century they taught that the person baptizing and the person being baptized should fast before baptism!!! Does your church adhere to that???

I've never read that. Did the Ethiopian eunuch fast that Phillip baptized? That fact isn't in the text. Nor on the Day of Pentecost when 3000 were baptized. Who taught you that? That seems like adding to scripture.

The first century church taught that the baptizer can "pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit". Does your church adhere to that teaching????

What are you quoting? It isn't a Bible text. I prefer full immersion that illustrates full burial of the dead, as just sprinkling a little dirt on the dead would allow them to still stink, wouldn't it? But I believe God will accept either full immersion or sprinkling for the spiritual meaning behind them. But whichever, we baptize in the name of the Father and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I've always believed in the Trinity and that hasn't changed from examining Scripture.

If the 'Protestants misinterpreted the meaning of grace and the gospel' then that must mean you agree with The Church on the meaning of grace and gospel????

I've never studied how the RCC or Orthodox defines grace. Why don't you tell me, and what your source is in the inspired Bible, and not a Catechism, if that is what you used regarding sprinkling and fasting.

 

[FHII]

And Protestant doctrine "did not come around" until 1500 years until after the death of Christ.....sooooo your point is mute!!

Don't get me started on that "mute" garbage again!

 

[Nancy]

Don't get me started on that "mute" garbage again!

Lol.

 

[Illuminator]

Really? Let me tell you about my first Sunday school teacher, Mrs. Komar ...a little Polish lady who came to America. She was raised Catholic, but never once given the truth, that she could accept Jesus personally and be saved from her sin. Not that she had to do this or that ritual to be saved...but that he died for her. Fortunately, after she came to America a neighbor invited her to a small "holiness" church. No elaborate rituals, no big stain glass windows, just people who truly loved and knew Jesus. She was such a joyful person and loving people like her taught more about God than any sermon ever did. The gospel isn't "Listen to a man recite stuff you can't understand because it's in Latin (why?) And do this ritual and pay money to the church to keep your relatives out of purgatory...

Your insults are not based on facts.

 

[Truther]

no you said it was a church

Acts 2 is THE church in it's infancy.

You did not know that?

 

[Truther]

That's what I thought you'd say.

So, "ALL" of Jerusalem knew about the birth of Christ?
"ALL" of Jerusalem was upset about it?
"ALL" of Jerusalem would include every baby, toddler, deaf person, mentally-handicapped person, etc. They were "ALL" upset?

OR - is this simply an example of inclusive language, as in, "Everybody in town came out for the parade"?
The danger in YOUR moronic brand of literalism is that you completely discard the meaning of Scripture because you don't get it.

All of Jerusalem knew back then like all the world knows who Trump is.

 

[mjrhealth]

How do I find this nameless church or are you the only member?

You need eyes to see and that you do not have nor ears to hear.

 

[Truther]

Good morning Truther,

I have read your "commentary" and disagree with it. Me thinks you are thinking to much.

Curious: Why since the 2nd century? How did you come up with that timeline?

Mary

Because the non Apostle contemporary FORGERIES of the RCC are dating back then...supposedly.

Fact is, all holy scriptures are from copies(no originals exist), and all ancient commentaries are crooked forgeries from unknown authors.

 

[Truther]

When you read that Jesus "breathed on the 11, and told them to Receive the Holy Spirit"..........you for some reason can't see that this is the same as the upper room experience.
I wonder why you are not able to realize this yet.
You seem to be stuck in Acts 2.

And this "baptized for that remission"......that is not the Gospel that we are to teach and preach.
That is Peter, repeating John the Baptist's "repent and be baptized".
See, Peter was repeating John The Baptist's message to the House of Israel, at that Feast of Pentecost, because Paul was not yet there, and it was Paul who gave us the Gospel of the Grace of God that is "faith is counted as Righteousness".

Peter didn't have this revelation yet, in Acts 2, and that is why he is repeating John the Baptist's message.

However, in Acts 10, .. Peter began to be given the Revelation of the Gospel of the Grace of God.
And in Acts 15, when he met Paul, he was TAUGHT, what we teach now, as "the Gospel of the Grace of God".

In Acts 1, after he breathed on them, He commanded them to go to Jerusalem and wait for the Holy Ghost.(Acts 2).

Did they get it prior, lose the power, then get repowered?

 

[Behold]

no idols allowed

Ive often wondered how you explain 40ft Statues of Mary.

I find it fascinating that you Protestants argue with each other. Each thinking that you are right and the other is wrong even though you all agree that The Church is always wrong.

Mary

What is more amazing is that people argue against The Cross, not realizing they are deceived.
For example..
I can go to any FORUM, and say....." The blood of Jesus that saved you, keeps you saved".
And 100 heretics will come running and say "that is license to sin".

So, in these end times, before the Trib starts, its difficult to actually find believers who are not fallen from Grace.
Now, if i want to give water baptism the credit for salvation, or if i wanted to teach you some heresy regarding how you keep yourself saved by self effort, or if i wanted to teach the heresy of "you can lose your salvation", then id be the King of the party.

Can't do it tho., as to do any of that is to denigrate the Grace of God as co-equal to the works of a person.

 

[Behold]

In Acts 1, after he breathed on them, He commanded them to go to Jerusalem and wait for the Holy Ghost.(Acts 2).
Did they get it prior, lose the power, then get repowered?

Are you saying that when Jesus told the 11 to receive the Holy Spirit, they refused?

Here are a few things to think about..
When Moses brought the 10 Commandments, 3000 died.
When the Day of Pentecost arrived, and those in the upper room were empowered, 3000 that day were (made alive) and added to the church.
So the Law was given and people died, and Grace was given and people were made alive.
Something else that you might notice is that Peter, on that day, spoke in foreign languages (Gift of Tongues), yet none of the 3000 that were added to the church did this.. except those in the upper room.
Its says that those among the 3000 heard Peter operate in that Specific Gift, but none of them did.
Did you ever wonder why?

 

[theefaith]

eternal damnation
Trinity
the divinity of Christ
the virginity of Mary
transubstantiation
pantheism
transmigration of the soul
reincarnation

are these secular ideas?

Not catholic all doctrines

 

[theefaith]

That justifies murder?

execution of justice can NEVER be called murder!

 

[theefaith]

Because you are still listening to Rome instead of Jesus.

rome how do you listen to a city?