God choose Trump to Save the USA from Destruction.

[Taken]

Because any person with even a slight knowledge of American history would know that was a foolish and ignorant boast.

That...?

His plans for his presidency.

Foolish to think America could be Great Again?

Humm...

Build a wall. Failed.

No, started and ongoing.

Balance the budget.

WHAT Budget? There is No such as a Constitutional thing as a Central Government Budget.

The Central (aka the Federal Government) spending was Constitutionally Limited to spending from collection of Excise Taxation.
And in rare cases for Emergencies, through Borrowing, with the people's approval and Agreement that All the people would Pay a portion to pay off the The borrowed Debt.

Have YOU payed off a portion of Federal Government Debt for the Umpteen "so called Emergencies" Congress (your Representative), year after year, Declares IS an Emergency ?

Instead he created huge deficits.

There WAS a HUGE Deficit the Day Trump was sworn in as President.

And EVERY so called Emergency Congress Decides IS an Emergency and Votes For Borrowing Money...is Legally Vested in the Responsibility of the Congress, representing the People who Vote to Put a Congressman IN that Authority position.

Do you pay attention to what "your" representative jurisdictional Congressman Is Willing to Declare an Emergency, Borrow and AND hand you the Bill for Paying?

Get a health care plan better and cheaper than Obamacare.

Obama Health Care? Where in the entire US Constitution was the Central Government Authorized to Compel or Demand Any Citizen of the US to be Subject TO a Healthcare Insurance Plan?

Instead,he merely messed up what we have, making it worse.

What you have, is an Choice to Take care of yourself....nothing new.
What you have, is the Choice to Purchase Health Insurance from An Insurance Company...nothing new.

TRUMPS initiative "has been with success,"
* appealing to Insurance Companies...to lower costs,
* appealing to Drug Companies...to lower costs,
* appealing to Manfacturing Companies...to bring Manfacturing Back from foreign Lands to the US for Job Opportuntiies for Americans IN the US.
* appealing to Foreign Government who promised to Pay into a world Fund...then DO NOT...and for years The US Government has Assumed The portion of Their Debt...which is Then handed to the American People.

"Drain the swamp"

Really? YOU want Every Politician in Congress and the Senate Ejected from Their Position?
Funny...that is Only Accomplished BY the People to Stop Electing a Known Corrupt Politician.

Pelosi is a Politician. She stood in the Hall of Congress and Demand Democrats cast Yes Votes for Bills Congressmen HAD NOT Read!
Their very JOB is to Cast a Vote on a Bill, they have Read and thus ARE familiar With What Exactly they are Making their own Jurisdictional constituents Responsible For payment of the Debt the Politician is creating.

Instead he hired more criminals

Please identify ONE Criminal Trump "hired".
If you have a Date of Hiring AND Criminal Record of that person, please Include that to verify your claim.

and other swamp creatures than any president since Nixon. You want the details?

Yes.

And of course, he botched the response to the pandemic, killing tens of thousands of Americans.

March 11, 2020- the World Health Organization Announced Covid-19 a PANDEMIC...

What did Trump Do to Botch WOrld Health Organization suggestions?

He took Putin's word against our own military about Russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 elections.

Who in the military are you talking about?
And ... if an Attempt occurred and Failed... what is your point?

That idiot "hold a Bible in front of a church" photo op that blew up in his face.

So your perspective is An Idiot is: anyone who dares to be knowingly photographed or videotaped near a Church Holding a Bible?

(I would suggest you Never attend Lakewood Church in Houston Texas...since Weekly over 50,000 people are present in that Church and Hold Up their Bibles in their hand...with a Video recording)

Declaring the COVID-19 pandemic was "completely controlled" and would go away "like a miracle."

Suggesting that we should "clean lungs" by injecting disinfectant.

Do you have Verification for those Quotes?

How many more would you like?

How many more of Your Opinions would I like? Zero

But you certainly can supply Validation of any facts that Have to do with the Business of The Presidency.

Brags about how he gets away with sexual assult. Betrayed three wives with other women. How many more would you like?

I would say what Trump did as a private citizen, is his business. And what transpires Between Trump and Any Wife is "their" business. And What transpires between The Lord God and Trump is "their" Business....and TRUMPS Behavior IN the People's Office, and conducting Official US Government business that affects you, is your business.

Anyone could have answered those questions.

Well it is not News, everyone has an Opinion.

I suggested that those who think of Trump as God's anointed are really, really wrong. That's not the kind of guy God would endorse. See above. And I suggested that he seems to be too dumb to be the AntiChrist, although there are some theologians who would disagree. See above. Not the smartest guy in the world.

I Disagree...it is Not the Smartest, Most Attractive, Wealthiest, Most Well known, Best public Speaker, or Sinless man, God Gives Power or Ordains to be a Leader.

Romans 13:
[1] Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Joseph77]

Good words, but did I contradict them somewhere? I don't believe so...

QUOTE="Joseph77, post: 796892, member: 8613"]Because you already know, in several languages, and yet it is no trouble to repeat this:[/QUOTE

 

[Bobby Jo]

... For myself, I only accept Jesus as the Christ. It is only he who is Lord and Savior.

I would suggest that if you reject GOD's servants and messengers, -- you reject GOD.

Bobby Jo

 

[Giuliano]

Our prayers cannot save people nor cause them to change their decisions. Rather I believe that because of the fervent prayer of a righteous man God will open a person's eyes to see his own errors and perhaps a better way. Having seen, he still must make the decision to change himself. We cannot make him change and God will not.

Some people know they are wrong, but refuse to change for different reasons. Have you never met a person who admitted his way might be or was in error, but nevertheless refused to change? I most certainly have.

One example that immediately came to my mind was that of a 'Christian' snake handler I met here in Oklahoma many years ago. We [myself and a friend] met him at the intersection of two dirt roads several miles from any town and stopped to ask him for directions to a church meeting we wanted to attend. He was unable to help us in that, but we talked with him for a long time about God and the scriptures. He was a nice fellow quite a bit older than us. He told us about his snake handling services he had attended for most of his life. We went through a lot of scripture with him about such things. He knew the scriptures and had heard it all before. He did not get angry nor did he disagree with our idea that what he was doing might be tempting God. On the contrary, he agreed, but he said he had been serving God that way all of his life and was not about to change. That was where the conversation ended amicably... If he still lives I suppose he is still picking up rattle snakes and such when he goes to church...

It is true everyone has free will. I can't force anyone to do anything, and God certainly isn't going to go along with any scheme of mine to force him to please me. God gave people free will and I'm in error if I oppose that.

That being said, we see that choosing between good and evil is not the only problem. Indeed it might not even be the biggest problem. The problem I see is "dualism." Very few people say, "I know this is evil, and I want to be evil." Almost no one thinks like that. The problem is avoiding making a final firm decision -- a failure to embrace the good and only the good no matter what. Most sins, if you look at them, can be semi-justified by finding elements of good in them. Good and evil are mixed together, and people justify themselves by looking at what is pleasant while avoiding the unpleasant. Eve did it. Some may assert she didn't know what good was or what evil was. I think she did. What confounded her was how good and evil could exist together. Notice that Genesis calls it "the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" and not the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and of Evil." She knew what good was -- Genesis says so.

Woe to him who confuses light and darkness, sweet and bitter, good and evil. Failure to choose good firmly is a default choice for allowing evil in. The person hasn't deliberately chosen evil but he's not closed the door to it.

God does not force people to choose one way or another, and so I know it would be foolish for me to try; but it is possible to force the wavering and vacillating person to make a choice. As the song lyrics go, "Did you ever have to make up your mind? Say yes to one and leave the other behind?" Or as Elijah put it, "How long halt ye between two opinions?" Or as Moses wrote of it:

Deuteronomy 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

I believe God has a time table. People may dawdle and fail to make decisions as long as it doesn't put God's plan behind schedule. If iniquity is increasing as a result of being "double-minded" (James' phrase for it), some people may be put on the spot and forced to make a decision. If it is a worldly leader put on the spot and forced to decide, God has the right to remove him if he betrays the trust in his office. What Pharaoh did was not good for people. What the Romans and Jewish religious did in Jesus' time was not good for people. Yes, all authority was established by God for the good of people; and if people in authority betray that trust, their rule becomes illegitimate. Thus when Pharaoh decreed that babies be put to death, he lost legitimacy. When he later refused to allow Israel religious freedom, he was interfering with God as well as betraying his fellow man. He was given several opportunities to change his mind and let Israel go. Time and again, Moses put a choice before him. Ha, we see him "choosing" the good a few times, but being double-minded, he changed his mind.

I think God is merciful, and that's why Pharaoh had to be taken down. God's entire plan for the world was hanging in the balance. Israel was to come out and become a nation of priests to intercede for the world. Things needed to move forward, and Pharaoh -- one man -- was stalling things for the whole planet. It became necessary that he make up his mind one way or the other. The more wrong decisions he made, the more unsound his mind became and the harder it became for him to choose good.

 

[bukka]

I would suggest that if you reject GOD's servants and messengers, -- you reject GOD.

Bobby Jo

I agree with your statement.

I also say that I reject the false Trump prophecies. I only accept Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. I have no use for any other "anointed" leaders. For me, only Christ is sufficient for my salvation.

 

[Taken]

Let me repeat it, "I asked Jesus to send angels to talk to Trump."

To do what? The Right Thing?
According to Who? You or God?

And what Exactly do you think Trump is Doing, that is Not the Right Thing?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[aspen]

ROFL!!! Dream on until Nov 4 ====Americans will not vote for a old senile coot who is under the control of far left liberals.

well, it depends on if Putin and Xi Jinping are voting this time, I suppose

 

[Giuliano]

I would suggest that if you reject GOD's servants and messengers, -- you reject GOD.

Bobby Jo

Those who think Trump was chosen by God to save the USA from destruction might want to consider the principle set forth here:

1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

 

[Joseph77]

I agree with your statement.

I also say that I reject the false Trump prophecies. I only accept Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. I have no use for any other "anointed" leaders. For me, only Christ is sufficient for my salvation.

Oh, maybe you meant you reject the false prophecies - not just because about Trump, but because they are false, even if not about Trump ? I did not see that before until I just now noticed the source....

There were in the past (maybe decades ago, or several years ) some true prophecies that Trump (and others that did occur) would be elected, but nothing at all like presented today....

 

[Joseph77]

Those who think Trump was chosen by God to save the USA from destruction might want to consider the principle set forth here:

1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Remember previous wars for over a century ? Scripture is valid concerning all of them also.

Whatever reasons Yahweh put anyone in office, He is not at all required to say why.

 

[Giuliano]

well, it depends on if Putin and Xi Jinping are voting this time, I suppose

Could be that Putin wants Trump to have a second term and are using Ukrainian allies to peddle misinformation. Russia and China have both increased their international influence in Trump's term in office.

Dems raise concerns over Russian-linked campaign targeting Biden - CNNPolitics

In recent months, a small group of Ukrainian political figures has injected themselves into the 2020 US presidential election
by releasing and promoting alleged audiotapes of Biden. Some of these figures are connected to Kremlin interests or to Russian intelligence agencies, which experts say suggests their actions may be part of a Russian-backed misinformation campaign.

The recordings are of Biden's dealings with former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, and they appear authentic. But the material reinforces Biden's claims that he promoted US interests and didn't do anything improper in Ukraine. There is no proof of wrongdoing on the tapes, and the Biden campaign maintains that these releases are blatant Russian meddling against Biden.

Some Republicans and right-wing news outlets have embraced the baseless claims being levied by these controversial Ukrainian figures. Some of these figures, including Ukrainian lawmaker Andrii Derkach, have worked closely with Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani. Johnson has tried to secure testimony from another Ukrainian in this orbit, former diplomat Andrii Telizhenko.​

 

[amadeus]

It is true everyone has free will. I can't force anyone to do anything, and God certainly isn't going to go along with any scheme of mine to force him to please me. God gave people free will and I'm in error if I oppose that.

That being said, we see that choosing between good and evil is not the only problem. Indeed it might not even be the biggest problem. The problem I see is "dualism." Very few people say, "I know this is evil, and I want to be evil." Almost no one thinks like that. The problem is avoiding making a final firm decision -- a failure to embrace the good and only the good no matter what. Most sins, if you look at them, can be semi-justified by finding elements of good in them. Good and evil are mixed together, and people justify themselves by looking at what is pleasant while avoiding the unpleasant. Eve did it. Some may assert she didn't know what good was or what evil was. I think she did. What confounded her was how good and evil could exist together. Notice that Genesis calls it "the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" and not the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and of Evil." She knew what good was -- Genesis says so.

Woe to him who confuses light and darkness, sweet and bitter, good and evil. Failure to choose good firmly is a default choice for allowing evil in. The person hasn't deliberately chosen evil but he's not closed the door to it.

God does not force people to choose one way or another, and so I know it would be foolish for me to try; but it is possible to force the wavering and vacillating person to make a choice. As the song lyrics go, "Did you ever have to make up your mind? Say yes to one and leave the other behind?" Or as Elijah put it, "How long halt ye between two opinions?" Or as Moses wrote of it:

Deuteronomy 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

I believe God has a time table. People may dawdle and fail to make decisions as long as it doesn't put God's plan behind schedule. If iniquity is increasing as a result of being "double-minded" (James' phrase for it), some people may be put on the spot and forced to make a decision. If it is a worldly leader put on the spot and forced to decide, God has the right to remove him if he betrays the trust in his office. What Pharaoh did was not good for people. What the Romans and Jewish religious did in Jesus' time was not good for people. Yes, all authority was established by God for the good of people; and if people in authority betray that trust, their rule becomes illegitimate. Thus when Pharaoh decreed that babies be put to death, he lost legitimacy. When he later refused to allow Israel religious freedom, he was interfering with God as well as betraying his fellow man. He was given several opportunities to change his mind and let Israel go. Time and again, Moses put a choice before him. Ha, we see him "choosing" the good a few times, but being double-minded, he changed his mind.

I think God is merciful, and that's why Pharaoh had to be taken down. God's entire plan for the world was hanging in the balance. Israel was to come out and become a nation of priests to intercede for the world. Things needed to move forward, and Pharaoh -- one man -- was stalling things for the whole planet. It became necessary that he make up his mind one way or the other. The more wrong decisions he made, the more unsound his mind became and the harder it became for him to choose good.

I agree generally with what you are saying. Yes, God has a time table for each of us. Each of us is, or has been, in a measure doubleminded, a mixture, of the things according to God's Way and some other ways [including, or especially, of course our own].

How much of our doublemindedness is for God and how much for mammon? The proper or allowable balance in the eyes of God is likely dependent upon how far along the road we are toward the end of our allotted time. What needs to be happening is that balance should be always increasing on God's side and decreasing on mammon's [our] side. The Baptist was another to speak of this:

"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

He recognized his own need as should each one of us. God will help people with this... if they will allow it and ask for His help. Many will not, not really, even though they may mouth or write correct sounding words.

We are speaking of the limits to God's mercy. On the one hand it is limitless, but since we have only so much time, when there is no more times for there is also no more mercy. Consider how much mercy God had on the many thousands out in the wilderness as they followed Moses. They murmured and complained repeatedly and God allowed it and accepted their renewed vows time and again. Talk about mercy, but then...

"But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD.
Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;
Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:" Num 14:21-23

They had exhausted the mercy that God had for them and they were never able to enter in...

People calling themselves Christians today do not believe that they can ever exhaust God's mercy, but I do not believe that God, who never changes and is not respecter of persons is like that at all. He has given people more today than those in the wilderness on their way to Canaanland. He does require more!

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

 

[Joseph77]

How much of our doublemindedness is for God and how much for mammon?

No.
No follower of Jesus should retain any double-mindedness at all, ever, not even for a few minutes -
they 'should' repent at once and ask forgiveness and
whole-heartedly seek the Creator , completely putting their/our/ trust in HIM to accomplish this.

Even 'allowing' doublemindedness at all , willingly, is a continuing sin,
and
no one doubleminded should expect to receive anything from God.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... only Christ is sufficient for my salvation.

... then GOD wasted HIS TIME providing Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, and Teachers; and more importantly, -- wasted HIS TIME sending the TWO WITNESSES, which I believe to be Trump and Pence who I expect to lie dead in the streets for three days and PELOSI as the NEW PRESIDENT who will give the sovereignty of the United States to the United Nations.

And yes, Scripture appears to provide that we crossed the threshold into the 42 month Tribulation some 26 months ago, and now have some 16 months until the end of this age. But you don't know what you don't know ...

Bobby Jo

 

[amadeus]

No.
No follower of Jesus should retain any double-mindedness at all, ever, not even for a few minutes -
they 'should' repent at once and ask forgiveness and
whole-heartedly seek the Creator , completely putting their/our/ trust in HIM to accomplish this.

Even 'allowing' doublemindedness at all , willingly, is a continuing sin,
and
no one doubleminded should expect to receive anything from God.

Until and if we have by the power of God in us overcome everything that stands between us and God how single-minded on God's side are we all of the time? Some are on the approach, but who other than God is capable of judging the quality of that approach? What is it that God is looking for in each of us?

 

[Joseph77]

Until and if we have by the power of God in us overcome everything that stands between us and God how single-minded on God's side are we all of the time?

Choose to be, as He Says,
instead of something else.
Trust Him to accomplish everything , all in all, in Christ Jesus, concerning your salvation in this life and in the life to come, as written ....

What is it that God is looking for in each of us?

Jesus said, taught, and showed how: You MUST be perfect, for your Father in heaven is perfect.

God said this in the OT, > You must be HOLY, because I AM HOLY.

and God made it possible. (and He Never Lies)

 

[amadeus]

Choose to be, as He Says,
instead of something else.
Trust Him to accomplish everything , all in all, in Christ Jesus, concerning your salvation in this life and in the life to come, as written ....


Jesus said, taught, and showed how: You MUST be perfect, for your Father in heaven is perfect.

God said this in the OT, > You must be HOLY, because I AM HOLY.

and God made it possible. (and He Never Lies)

Yes, it is possible although many even on this forum will deny it. They presume that because they cannot do somethings on their own, like stop sinning, that even God in them cannot. Talk about limiting God!

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Trust Him to accomplish everything ...

You present this in the context of "salvation", but even so, it's BAD THEOLOGY: Faith without Words is DEAD.

Thus we MUST put OUR HAND to the PLOW, and WORK while it's still day.
Bobby Jo

 

[Giuliano]

I agree generally with what you are saying. Yes, God has a time table for each of us. Each of us is, or has been, in a measure doubleminded, a mixture, of the things according to God's Way and some other ways [including, or especially, of course our own].

How much of our doublemindedness is for God and how much for mammon? The proper or allowable balance in the eyes of God is likely dependent upon how far along the road we are toward the end of our allotted time. What needs to be happening is that balance should be always increasing of God's side and decreasing on mammon's [our] side. The Baptist was another to speak of this:

"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

He recognized his own need as should each one of us. God will help people with this... if they will allow it and ask for His help. Many will not, not really even though they may mouth or write correct sounding words.

We are speaking of the limits to God's mercy. On the one hand it is limitless, but since we have only so much time, when there is not more times for there is also no more mercy. Consider how much mercy God had on the many thousands out in the wilderness as they followed Moses. They murmured and complained repeatedly and God allowed it and accepted their renewed vows time and again. Talk about mercy, but then...

"But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD.
Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;
Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:" Num 14:21-23

They had exhausted the mercy that God had for them and they were never able to enter in...

People calling themselves Christians today do not believe that can ever exhaust God's mercy, but I do not believe that God, who never changes and is not respecter of persons is like that at all. He has given people more today than those in the wilderness on their way to Canaanland. He does require more!

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

You ended your post with a very appropriate verse :)

 

[Bobby Jo]

Those who think Trump was chosen by God to save the USA from destruction might want to consider the principle set forth here:

... Lke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 35 Behold, your house is forsaken. And I tell you, you will not see me until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’”​

Bobby Jo