Gentiles? Not Anymore!

[HARK!]

Ephesians 2

11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations (Gentiles) in flesh - who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands -"

Not anymore!

12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world."

Not anymore! Hmmm...covenants, plural.

13 Yet now, in Christ Jesus, you, who once are far off, are become near by the blood of Christ."

Citizens of Israel.


(CLV) 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.


14 For He is our Peace, Who makes both one, and razes the central wall of the barrier"

No difference between those who were born into the false dogma of Judaism, and those who were born into the false teaching of Paganism. All of those in Yahshua are in the truth of YHWH's perfect Torah.

15 (the enmity in His flesh), nullifying the law of precepts in decrees, (dogma, Talmud) that He should be creating the two, in Himself, into one new humanity, making peace;"

Israel!

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."



16 and should be reconciling both in one body to God through the cross, killing the enmity in it."

(CLV) Num 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you. It shall be an eonian (FOREVER) statute throughout your generations. Like you so shall the sojourner be before Yahweh.

17 And, coming, He brings the evangel of peace to you, those afar, and peace to those near, 18 for through Him we both have had access, in one spirit, to the Father." 19 Consequently, then, no longer are you guests and sojourners, but are fellow-citizens of the saints and belong to God's family,

(CLV) Num 15:16
One law and one custom, it shall come to be for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you.

(CLV) Ex 12:49
One law shall there be for both the native and for the sojourner sojourning in your midst.


(CLV) Lv 24:22
The same judgment shall you come to have; for the sojourner as well as the native shall it be: for I, Yahweh, am your Elohim.

(CLV) Num 15:29
For the native among the sons of Israel and for the sojourner sojourning in their midst, one law shall apply for you, to anyone doing it through inadvertence.

 

[justbyfaith]

See Ephesians 3:6.

 

[APAK]

I just saw this thread linked from the other thread concerning Israel and the Covenant. I reckon I would replicate my post here again as it speaks to the 'gentiles'..

Anyone that associates the English term 'gentile' derived from the the Romanist Latin term 'gentillis,' with true believers, degrades them and calls them all heathens and unbelievers. They are saying they are not 'saved' and are really not of the covenant of YHWH, given by YHWH.

This is a misused popular secular and a non-believer's meaning that unfortunately most believers also use extensively for the same meaning today.

All scripture should expunge and stricken the term 'gentile' and replace it with the appropriate Greek ethnos term into the English: nation(s) tribes, (foreign) nations, heathens etc.

Today as when it was first introduced, the term 'gentile' means someone who is not a Jew. It is especially a dangerous meaning today. The causal reader would think a gentile (whether a believer or not) is not a modern Jew. These modern Jews who practice Judaism with their Babylonian Talmud, are now more closely associated as the only Covenant people of YHWH. It is used to deceive and even confound the true believer!

The English word 'gentile' did not originate from the Greek or Hebrew languages. The original term 'goy' from Hebrew, and the Greek term ethnos (ethne) means generally the same: races, families, tribes and nations whether being of Israel (or a true Jew) or not, of other foreign nations.

In recent history however, these fake Jews especially the Zionist cultists and many ignorant Christians deliberately promoted over time and changed the meaning of Hebrew term 'goy.' They merged and adopted it to resemble the meaning of 'gentile,' a non-Jew, even a non-Semite. And then to strongly suggest true believers are not part of YHWH's Covenant. This clearly says to the world that these mostly deceitful Khazarians occupying the political State of Israel today, these fake Jews, are the chosen ones of YHWH to the demotion and detriment of the true chosen and elect of YHWH.

Just saying....APAK

 

[HARK!]

I just saw this thread linked from the other thread concerning Israel and the Covenant. I reckon I would replicate my post here again as it speaks to the 'gentiles'..

I appreciate you bringing your insight to this thread.

I'll have to reply to one of the fine points of your statement here too.

Today as when it was first introduced, the term 'gentile' means someone who is not a Jew.

The word Jew is ambiguous and creates yet even more confusion. What is a Jew?

The mixed multitude that entered covenant at Sinai became Israel. At that point they were set apart from the nations.

Yahshua rebuked those who claimed to be descendants of Abraham, calling them offspring of Satan.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yahshua rebuked those who claimed to be descendants of Abraham, calling them offspring of Satan.

I assume that you are referring to what it says in John 8.

There, Jesus does not call the scribes and Pharisees "children of the devil" because they claimed to be descended from Abraham; but because they sought to kill Him, a Man who was telling them the truth that He had heard from the Father.

 

[HARK!]

I assume that you are referring to what it says in John 8.

There, Jesus does not call the scribes and Pharisees "children of the devil" because they claimed to be descended from Abraham; but because they sought to kill Him, a Man who was telling them the truth that He had heard from the Father.

I didn't imply that their claiming their blood lineage was the reason for Yahshua calling them sons of Satan. The point was that obviously the blood lineage did not make them children of Abraham. Hopefully you can see my point about the ambiguity of the word Jew. What does it mean? Obviously Jews are not necessarily Yahudim (YHWH's people).

 

[justbyfaith]

I didn't imply that their claiming their blood lineage was the reason for Yahshua calling them sons of Satan. The point was that obviously the blood lineage did not make them children of Abraham. Hopefully you can see my point about the ambiguity of the word Jew. What does it mean? Obviously Jews are not necessarily Yahudim (YHWH's people).

I have answered this in the other thread.

link: The "Israel of God": Who are they?

 

[HARK!]

I have answered this in the other thread.

...and I responded.

Here is the reason that Yahshua gave, for them being children of the Adversary: "Seeing that you can not hear My word. 44 You are of your father, the Adversary"

 

[marksman]

Ephesians 2

11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations (Gentiles) in flesh - who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands -"

Not anymore!

12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world."

Not anymore! Hmmm...covenants, plural.

13 Yet now, in Christ Jesus, you, who once are far off, are become near by the blood of Christ."

Citizens of Israel.


(CLV) 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.


14 For He is our Peace, Who makes both one, and razes the central wall of the barrier"

No difference between those who were born into the false dogma of Judaism, and those who were born into the false teaching of Paganism. All of those in Yahshua are in the truth of YHWH's perfect Torah.

15 (the enmity in His flesh), nullifying the law of precepts in decrees, (dogma, Talmud) that He should be creating the two, in Himself, into one new humanity, making peace;"

Israel!

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."



16 and should be reconciling both in one body to God through the cross, killing the enmity in it."

(CLV) Num 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you. It shall be an eonian (FOREVER) statute throughout your generations. Like you so shall the sojourner be before Yahweh.

17 And, coming, He brings the evangel of peace to you, those afar, and peace to those near, 18 for through Him we both have had access, in one spirit, to the Father." 19 Consequently, then, no longer are you guests and sojourners, but are fellow-citizens of the saints and belong to God's family,

(CLV) Num 15:16
One law and one custom, it shall come to be for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you.

(CLV) Ex 12:49
One law shall there be for both the native and for the sojourner sojourning in your midst.


(CLV) Lv 24:22
The same judgment shall you come to have; for the sojourner as well as the native shall it be: for I, Yahweh, am your Elohim.

(CLV) Num 15:29
For the native among the sons of Israel and for the sojourner sojourning in their midst, one law shall apply for you, to anyone doing it through inadvertence.

I can see what you are getting at, but I am not convinced of your argument.

I have done extensive study on the jews and their end-time place in the scope of things and it seems there is a lot of speculation about this from the Brits and the Americans being the lost Jews of the two tribes of the North and the church being the Jews now i.e replacement theology.

Originally there was a differentiation between the Jews and Gentiles as evidenced by Acts 15 but the message changed as in we are all one in Christ despite external differences and those were not the arbiter of reality.

The gentiles will never be the citizens of Israel as the scripture makes it clear that the Jews were God's special people and will continue to be so until the second coming. We are one in Christ but not one in nationality.

 

[HARK!]

The gentiles will never be the citizens of Israel as the scripture makes it clear that the Jews were God's special people and will continue to be so until the second coming. We are one in Christ but not one in nationality.

You didn't provide scriptural support for these assertions.

 

[HARK!]

it seems there is a lot of speculation about this from the Brits and the Americans being the lost Jews of the two tribes of the North and the church being the Jews now i.e replacement theology.

I made no such claim.

 

[marksman]

I made no such claim.

I never said you did.

 

[marksman]

You didn't provide scriptural support for these assertions.

As this needs to be dealt with in-depth to understand it watch this space.

 

[HARK!]

As this needs to be dealt with in-depth to understand it watch this space.

I'd rather just go with what scripture clearly states. The OP is clear.

 

[marksman]

I'd rather just go with what scripture clearly states. The OP is clear.

And what it states and what you think it states could be something entirely different.

Do you have a degree in theology? I do.

Do you have three university degrees which incorporated theology? I do.

Do you have a personal biblical library of over 1,000 books? I do.

Have you lectured at Bible College? I have.

Have you dialogued with some of the best professors of Theology? I have.

Have you produced a dissertation for a Ph.D.? I have.

 

[HARK!]

And what it states and what you think it states could be something entirely different.

..and as you should know, if you've taken any courses in logic; the simplest explanation is the most likely.

Do you have a degree in theology? I do.

Do you have three university degrees which incorporated theology? I do.

Do you have a personal biblical library of over 1,000 books? I do.

Have you lectured at Bible College? I have.

Have you dialogued with some of the best professors of Theology? I have.

Have you produced a dissertation for a Ph.D.? I have.

Speaking of logic, argumentum ad verecundiam still fails on its' face. I haven't been so indoctrinated; so I might not have faced as many hurdles to finding the objectivity to lead me to the truth.

 

[marksman]

..and as you should know, if you've taken any courses in logic; the simplest explanation is the most likely.



Speaking of logic, argumentum ad verecundiam still fails on its' face. I haven't been so indoctrinated; so I might not have faced as many hurdles to finding the objectivity to lead me to the truth.

In other words, learning and submitting to the wisdom of various people is a waste of time. That is what the ignorant usually say.

 

[HARK!]

In other words, learning and submitting to the wisdom of various people is a waste of time. That is what the ignorant usually say.

Ad hominem arguments don't make your case any more convincing. Do you have anything else?

 

[marksman]

Ad hominem arguments don't make your case any more convincing. Do you have anything else?

Why do you use them then?

 

[HARK!]

Why do you use them then?

LOL! Petitio principii, nice touch.

The OP stands.