Virgin Mary Had Other Children After Jesus

[Grailhunter]

You don't serve God either, apparently.

His Word is to everyone.

This word is to the Jews. God love'em but I am not a Jew or Jewish.

 

[Grailhunter]

It's all quite clearly stated in the statutes of the Council of Trent. You can't avoid it.

But we can deny it. Past history is one thing. As I keep saying they are softening that view and many Catholic have long believed that Protestants could be saved. The Catholic Church has issued a statement, they talked around the topic a bit but more to come. Salvation is between a person and Christ...the forgiveness of sin is between a person and Christ. No religious leader can command anyone to do anything. They guide the sheep

 

[Grailhunter]

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I guess these people are pagans then...
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Oh dear!! The Pope is a pagan!!!

I think that is me in the blue shirt and jeans. They got my good side!

 

[Paul Christensen]

Another gigantic LIE on your part.
Where do you get this stuff??

Prying to Mary is NOT required for people to be saved. Mary's intercession is NOT a requirement - so WHO told you it was?
As for the Eucharist - we don't pray to a "box". We adore the Body of Christ in the Eucharist - NOT the container.

If you're going to be an anti-Catholic - at LEAST try to do your homework . . .

Here we go! Praying to the container of the host (where the wafers are kept)!

Ooooo! Look at this one!

 

[Paul Christensen]

I think that is me in the blue shirt and jeans. They got my good side!

 

[Grailhunter]

Here we go! Praying to the container of the host (where the wafers are kept)!

Ok Paul, Mary does a lot of things and it is complicated but no one prays to her for salvation.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Ok Paul, Mary does a lot of things and it is complicated but no one prays to her for salvation.

There are prayers to Mary to assist them to gain salvation, and this is supported by the following quotes from Catholic authorities:

"'At the command of Mary, all obey, even God' ... God grants the prayers of Mary as if they were commands... 'Yes, Mary is omnipotent...for the queen by every law enjoys the same privileges as the king ... the power of the Son and that of the mother is the same, a mother is made omnipotent by an omnipotent Son' ... Since the Mother, then, should have the same power as the Son, rightly has Jesus, who is omnipotent, made Mary also omnipotent ... whatever the Mother asks for, the Son never denies her." - Glories, pp. 154-156 (cf. pp. 18,12,71,87).

So, God "declared her Sovereign of heaven and earth; and commanded the angels and all creatures to acknowledge her as their Queen, and as such to serve
and obey her." - Glories, p. 391.

 

[Grailhunter]

There are prayers to Mary to assist them to gain salvation, and this is supported by the following quotes from Catholic authorities:

"'At the command of Mary, all obey, even God' ... God grants the prayers of Mary as if they were commands... 'Yes, Mary is omnipotent...for the queen by every law enjoys the same privileges as the king ... the power of the Son and that of the mother is the same, a mother is made omnipotent by an omnipotent Son' ... Since the Mother, then, should have the same power as the Son, rightly has Jesus, who is omnipotent, made Mary also omnipotent ... whatever the Mother asks for, the Son never denies her." - Glories, pp. 154-156 (cf. pp. 18,12,71,87).

So, God "declared her Sovereign of heaven and earth; and commanded the angels and all creatures to acknowledge her as their Queen, and as such to serve
and obey her." - Glories, p. 391.

Does not ring a bell but show me an official statement of the Church please.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Does not ring a bell but show me an official statement of the Church please.

Those were quotes from the official documents of the RCC.

 

[Grailhunter]

Those were quotes from the official documents of the RCC.

What Vatican approved website?

 

[Paul Christensen]

What Vatican approved website?

What difference would that make if the quotes were direct ones from the RCC's own documents? Why not google the citations at the end of each quote and look them up for yourself on a official Catholic site?

 

[Mungo]

Paul Christensen makes the common mistake among Protestants that any document written by a Catholic or on a website run by a Catholic is "official" and authoritative.

However only documents that originate from the Magisterium can be considered as fully authoritative, such as documents of Ecumenical Councils, Papal Encyclicals, Papal Apostolic Constitutions and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

There is a huge amount of authoritative material on the Vatican web site (www.vatican.va), including the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the documents of Vatican II and the encyclicals etc. of recent Popes

Writings of theologians, lay apologists, canonised Saints or non magisterial publications such the New Catholic Encyclopaedia, Wikipedia and various websites run by Catholics are not Magisterial documents. These writings have value depending on the quality of the source they originate from but they do not necessarily correctly reflect Catholic beliefs and practices.

It is extremely irritating to be told that I must believe "X" because it says so on some web site run by Joe Smith who is a Catholic.

Even the statements of individual Bishops are not in themselves Magisterial documents and can be wrong or misleading (though one would hope not).

There is also a big difference in authoritativeness between (for example) a statement in a Papal Encyclical and an off-the-cuff remark by the Pope to a journalist.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Paul Christensen makes the common mistake among Protestants that any document written by a Catholic or on a website run by a Catholic is "official" and authoritative.

However only documents that originate from the Magisterium can be considered as fully authoritative, such as documents of Ecumenical Councils, Papal Encyclicals, Papal Apostolic Constitutions and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

There is a huge amount of authoritative material on the Vatican web site (www.vatican.va), including the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the documents of Vatican II and the encyclicals etc. of recent Popes

Writings of theologians, lay apologists, canonised Saints or non magisterial publications such the New Catholic Encyclopaedia, Wikipedia and various websites run by Catholics are not Magisterial documents. These writings have value depending on the quality of the source they originate from but they do not necessarily correctly reflect Catholic beliefs and practices.

It is extremely irritating to be told that I must believe "X" because it says so on some web site run by Joe Smith who is a Catholic.

Even the statements of individual Bishops are not in themselves Magisterial documents and can be wrong or misleading (though one would hope not).

There is also a big difference in authoritativeness between (for example) a statement in a Papal Encyclical and an off-the-cuff remark by the Pope to a journalist.

Here is an interesting video to consider:

 

[Mungo]

Here is an interesting video to consider:

This is a discussion forum not a cinema.
If you have a point to make then make it yourself.

 

[Paul Christensen]

This is a discussion forum not a cinema.
If you have a point to make then make it yourself.

So. You are closed to what the gospel is all about. That tells me a lot. I don't think you want to discuss. From your previous posts you show yourself to be fairly unteachable and only prepared to shoot down anything that doesn't fit your own set of beliefs. You are right. This is a discussion forum, and the video gives a very clear discussion about what the true gospel of Christ really is. Pity you don't believe it.

 

[Grailhunter]

What difference would that make if the quotes were direct ones from the RCC's own documents? Why not google the citations at the end of each quote and look them up for yourself on a official Catholic site?

Not trying to be evasive. I have read so much about the Catholics religion that I would not be surprised if you found something about flying saucers with pig faced vampires. It is the largest religion in the world and people will say the darn'dess things about it. Not only that Catholicism has its regiion

What difference would that make if the quotes were direct ones from the RCC's own documents? Why not google the citations at the end of each quote and look them up for yourself on a official Catholic site?

Not trying to be evasive. I have read so much about the Catholic religion that I would not be surprised if you found something about flying saucers with pig-faced vampires. It is the largest religion in the world and people will say the darn'dess things about it. Not only that, Catholicism has its regional differences. Catholics in Italy, Spain, USA, and South America have some particular differences…whether it is in the administration or the pews. Administration, I refer to administration as anything above the priest or preacher. I have no interest in the politics of any religion or denomination and I fellowship with denominations that I do not believe everything they believe. The Protestants fractured the Church…but Christ let them, it has been 2000 years, so I wonder if it is test…do we really understand the overall concept of Christianity? Or are we going to spend eternity quibbling and hating each other over the details. Total reality, awareness, and God….is well beyond our complete comprehension, it is like the lobster arguing with the shrimp in comparison to the reality that God knows. I think He would give more credit to the lobster that loves the shrimp.

My interests are mostly about the Christians in the Pews, and that is where my loyalty lies. Here I defend the Catholics…on this forum and elsewhere I have defended the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Mormons and those that believe in the works and movements of the Holy Spirit, those that believe in laying on of hands and oil for healings, those that believe in tongues and those that believe in prophecy and the mystics that communicate with the divine. I believe in the total equal status of women in all levels of society and in the Church and also I have defended science.

So, as I said, I defend Christians.

 

[Joseph77]

The Protestants fractured the Church…but Christ let them, it has been 2000 years, so I wonder if it is test…do we really understand the overall concept of Christianity?

No. your 'we' do not. (unless you mean, as in the 'facts' of the organization, the organization which is anti-Jesus, anti-Bible)

As a business model, it is a worldwide profit maker. (not prophet maker) (except false)

 

[Joseph77]

So, as I said, I defend Christians.

Without truth, defending ... anyone.... falls flat.

 

[Taken]

PROVE it.
PROVE that Trent contradicts Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus - or vice versa.

Either prove it - or simply admit that you lied.

LOL...

 

[Grailhunter]

Without truth, defending ... anyone.... falls flat.

But hate is supreme with those that follow Satan