Age of Earth/Mankind Bible Study Thread - Sacred Chronology

[ReChoired]

Age of Earth/Mankind Bible Study Thread - Sacred Chronology

Adam (Genesis 1:26-31, 2:7,8,15-25) is the 'first man' (1 Corinthians 15:45,47; Luk 3:38), who was 'made' 'in the beginning' (Matthew 19:4; Mark 10:6), and he was made in the 6th day before the 7th Day (Mark 2:27). 'All the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years' (Genesis 5:5). We do not know the exact age when Adam had Cain and Abel, but we are given the age of Adam when he had Seth, being at 130 years old (Genesis 5:3) who came after Cain and Abel (Genesis 4:25).

Beginning with Adam, using AM (Anno Mundi; Latin for Year of the World):

0000 - 0000 - Adam (930) + 130 (Seth; Gen. 5:4; Luk 3:38) + 800 (died; Gen 5:4)
0000 - ???? - Cain (??? born) (??? died; Rom 6:3; Heb 9:27)
0000 - ???? - Abel (??? born) (??? died; Gen 4:8)
0000 - 0130 - Seth (912) (Gen 4:25; Luk 3:38) + 105 (Enos; Gen 5:5; Luk 3:38) + 807 (died; Gen 5:8)
0000 - ???? - wife of Cain, daughter of Adam/Eve (??? born; Gen 5:4) (??? died; Rom 6:3; Heb 9:27)
0130 - 0235 - Enos (905) (Gen 4:26; Luk 3:38) + 90 (Cainan; Gen 5:9; Luk 3:37) + 815 (died; Gen 5:11)
0235 - 0325 - Cainan (910) (Gen 5:9; Luk 3:37) + 70 (Mahalaleel; Gen 5:12; Luk 3:37) + 840 (died; Gen 5:14)
0325 - 0395 - Mahalaleel (895) (Gen 5:12; Luk 3:37) + 65 (Jared; Gen 5:15; Luk 3:37) + 830 (died; Gen 5:16)
0395 - 0460 - Jared (962) (Gen 5:15; Luk 3:37) + 162 (Enoch; Gen 55:18; Luk 3:37) + 800 (died; Gen 5:20)
0460 - 0622 - Enoch (365) (Gen 5:18; Luk 3:37) + 65 (Methuselah; Gen 5:21; Luk 3:37) + 300 (trans.; Gen. 5:24)
0622 - 0687 - Methuselah (969) (Gen 5:21; Luk 3:37) + 187 (Lamech; Gen 5:25; Luk 3:36) + 782 (died; Gen 5:27)
0687 - 0874 - Lamech (777) (Gen 5:25; Luk 3:36) + 182 (Noah; Gen 5:28,29; Luk 3:36) + 595 (died; Gen 5:31)
0874 - 1056 - Noah (950) (Gen 5:28,29; Luk 3:36) + 500 (Gen 5:32) + 100 (Gen 7:6,11) + 350 (died; Gen 9:28,29)
1056 - 1656 - Flood (600th year of Noah's life; 2nd month; 17th day; Gen 7:6,11)​

Flood – Year (AM 1656; or 600th year of Noah's life), Month (2nd), Day (17th) Gen 7:6,11.

1656 - 1657 – Flood (AM 1656, 2nd, 17th + 40 days/nights (Gen 7:12,17) + 150 days (Gen 7:24, 8:3) = Ark resting on Mts. Of Ararat (Gen 8:4; AM 1656, 7th, 17th) + water decreases 73-75 days (Gen 8:5; exclusive-inclusive; 30 day months; AM 1656, 10th, 1st) + 40 days, Noah opens window (Gen 8:6; AM 1656, 11th, 11th) + 35 days (calculated) waiting for Raven, sends Dove (Gen 8:7,8) + 7 days wait (Gen 8:10) + 7 more days wait (Gen 8:12) = 601st, 1st, 1st (Gen 8:13) wherein Noah removes covering, and waits + 56-57 days (exclusive-inclusive) until = 601st, 2nd, 27th = AM 1657 2nd, 27th (Gen 8:14-16) when Noah leaves the Ark.

Noah was 600 Years old when the Flood came, and he was 601 when he left the Ark. We have texts which shows that Noah had three sons (Gen 5:32, 6:10) sometime at and after the 500th year of his life, and before the 600th year of his life (when the flood came). Therefore, we have a 100 year time span in which Noah had Shem, Ham and Japheth.

Japheth is the oldest, as he is listed first in giving of the lineage (Gen 10:2-5), afterward came Ham (Gen 10:6-20) and finally Shem (Gen 10:21), and the other passages are given in reverse order. How old then was Noah when Shem was born, since that is through whom the genealogy continues in Luk 3:36?

Genesis 11:10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:​

This places the birth of Arphaxad, in the year 1656 + 1 year (flood; 370 ish days) + 2 (years after the flood) = AM 1659.

This places Shem at 100 in the year AM 1659.
This places Shem at 99 in the year AM 1658.
This places Shem at 98 in the year AM 1657 (end of the flood).
This places Shem at 97 in the year AM 1656 (year of the flood).
This places Shem at birth in the year AM 1559.
This would place Ham at birth in the year AM 1557/8 (501st - 502nd year of Noah).
This would place Japheth at birth in the year AM 1556 (500th year of Noah; 1056 + 500).
​

Age of the Earth (PDF)

The Redemption of the Creation – 7000 Years And The Everlasting Gospel (Powerpoint)

7000 Year Plan Of The Everlasting Gospel – Bible & Historical Quotations (PDF)

The Discovery Of Genesis In The Chinese Language – C H Kang (PDF)

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[Windmill Charge]

There is nothing like reinventing the wheel is there.

Archbishop Usher, Issacc Newton etc etc have all calculated the age of the earh.

Currently you can go to AIG or creation.com for articles etc on the age of the earth.

Do you have a reason for posting thgis information?

 

[Jay Ross]

There is a 60 year error in the Age of the Earth PDF file, you have provided a link to in your post above, as to the year that Abraham was born, because of an error in interpreting the facts that Stephen presented in Acts 7, you have assumed the wrong "Father" had died before Abraham had left Haran to go down to the Land of Canaan and therefore applied that error of interpretation to the year Abraham was born.

The Genesis account indicates that Terah died 60 years after Abraham had left Haran as is recounted in Genesis 22, without provide a statement that the Reason Nahor, Abraham's brother, had sent his servants to Abraham at this point in the story of Abraham's and Isaac's life, was to tell Abraham of Terah's death.

This is the same error that Ussher also included in his Chronology of the OT, but in the PDF file you have not repeated the same error as Ussher as to the year in which Shem was born to Noah, when Noah was 503 years old.

As to the accuracy of your included images in your post, the resolution of the two images blurred the script to the point of the images being unreadable.

Because of the error in your linked PDF and since your post text was taken from that SDA document, then your whole post must be viewed with the understanding that it is in error.

 

[ReChoired]

There is nothing like reinventing the wheel is there.

Archbishop Usher, Issacc Newton etc etc have all calculated the age of the earh.

Currently you can go to AIG or creation.com for articles etc on the age of the earth.

Do you have a reason for posting thgis information?

Their Chronologies have erred in slight, and need to be corrected, and this study is to do just that, and helps to more accurately identify that which is given in prophecy, for God's people are to understand the times that they might know what to do. Please consider it.

 

[ReChoired]

...As to the accuracy of your included images in your post, the resolution of the two images blurred the script to the point of the images being unreadable....

The direct link's were provided for DL, which will give the full image.

 

[ReChoired]

There is a 60 year error in the Age of the Earth PDF file, you have provided a link to in your post above, as to the year that Abraham was born, because of an error in interpreting the facts that Stephen presented in Acts 7, you have assumed the wrong "Father" had died before Abraham had left Haran to go down to the Land of Canaan and therefore applied that error of interpretation to the year Abraham was born.

The Genesis account indicates that Terah died 60 years after Abraham had left Haran as is recounted in Genesis 22, without provide a statement that the Reason Nahor, Abraham's brother, had sent his servants to Abraham at this point in the story of Abraham's and Isaac's life, was to tell Abraham of Terah's death....

I have no error in that which is presented, and have assumed nothing in the chronology, nor "interpreted" (that is forbidden, see Genesis 40:8; 2 Peter 1:20), but was very detailed, citing the passages themselves. You will have to provide scriptural reasons why the 'father' mentioned by Stephen is not Terah, Abraham's father, for Stephen is directly recounting that which was written, not that which was not. Genesis 22 does not mention Terah, at all.

beginning with Noah:

0874 - 1056 - Noah (950) (Gen 5:28,29; Luk 3:36) + 500 (Gen 5:32) + 100 (Gen 7:6,11; +3, Shem; Gen 11:10, +97) + 350 (died; Gen 9:28,29)
1056 - 1559 - Shem (600) (Gen 5:32, 7:6,11, 11:10) + 100 (Arphaxad; Gen 11:10; Luk 3:36) + 500 (died; Gen 11:11)
1559 - 1659 - Arphaxad (438) (Gen 11:10; Luk 3:36) + 35 (Salah; Gen 11:12; Luk 3:35) + 403 (died; Gen 11:13)
???? - ???? - Cainan (Luk 3:35) (several possibilities, none of which are error, neither scribal error, *)
1659 - 1694 - Salah (433) (Gen 11:12; Luk 3:35) + 30 (Eber; Gen 11:14; Luk 3:35) + 403 (died; Gen 11:15)
1694 - 1724 - Eber (464) (Gen 11:14; Luk 3:35) + 34 (Peleg; Gen 11:16; Luk 3:35) + 430 (died; Gen 11:17)
1724 - 1758 - Peleg (239) (Gen 11:16; Luk 3:35) + 30 (Reu; Gen 11:18; Luk 3:35) + 209 (died; Gen 11:19)
1758 - 1788 - Reu (239) (Gen 11:18; Luk 3:35) + 32 (Serug; Gen 11:20; Luk 3:35) + 207 (died; Gen 11:21)
1788 - 1820 - Serug (230) (Gen 11:20; Luk 3:35) + 30 (Nahor; Gen 11:22; Luk 3:34) + 200 (died; Gen 11:23)
1820 - 1850 - Nahor (148) (Gen 11:22; Luk 3:34) + 29 (Terah; Gen 11:24; Luk 3:34) + 119 (died; Gen 11:25)
1850 - 1879 - Terah (205) (Gen 11:24; Luk 3:34) + 130 (Abram; Gen 11:32, 12:4; Acts 7:2-4) + 75 (died; Gen 11:32)​

In the text of Genesis 11:26, we read:

Genesis 11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.​

This text, is like unto Genesis 11:10, in that it is not saying that Abraham was born in the 70th year of Terah, for we know this by comparing text with text in scripture. For instance:

Genesis 11:31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.

Genesis 11:32 And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran.

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.​

This is repeated in Acts 7:

Acts 7:2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,

Acts 7:3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.

Acts 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.​

Combining Genesis 11:32, with Genesis 12:4, with Acts 7:4, we come to understand that Abram was 75 years old when Terah died at 205. This would place the birth of Abram at 130th year of Terah. If we use a similar approach here, as that of Shem, Ham and Japheth, then it is likely that Haran was the firstborn, and first to die young (Gen 11:28), as it mentions no wives of his, and then the second would be Nahor, followed by Abram, who both take wives after the death of their elder brother Haran (Gen 11:29) in Ur of the Chaldees.

 

[ReChoired]

... and since your post text was taken from that SDA document, then your whole post must be viewed with the understanding that it is in error.

Your bias and prejudice towards Seventh-day Adventists (keepers of chronology, history, oracles of God and prophecy) will not help your search for truth. I would recommend you place that aside:

Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.​

 

[ReChoired]

...Archbishop Usher, Issacc Newton etc etc have all calculated the age of the earth ...

Both of which I have, and many others consulted.

... Currently you can go to AIG or creation.com for articles etc on the age of the earth. ...

Of which I sent them this chronology (having already consulted theirs), and it was ignored and unresponded to though I know that they received it, having sent it to several of their various departments, yet they do not answer wherein they err (in slight) in their Chronology, nor have they stated wherein this Chronology and Prophecy erred.

 

[ReChoired]

There is nothing like reinventing the wheel is there.

Archbishop Usher, Issacc Newton etc etc have all calculated the age of the earh.

Currently you can go to AIG or creation.com for articles etc on the age of the earth.

Do you have a reason for posting thgis information?

Your logic: Ussher and Newton and hundreds of others printed their study, and many years later AIG printed theirs. Does AIG have a 'reason' for printing their information so many years after the other? Me thinks your standards are double.

 

[ReChoired]

...Combining Genesis 11:32, with Genesis 12:4, with Acts 7:4, we come to understand that Abram was 75 years old when Terah died at 205. This would place the birth of Abram at 130th year of Terah. If we use a similar approach here, as that of Shem, Ham and Japheth, then it is likely that Haran was the firstborn, and first to die young (Gen 11:28), as it mentions no wives of his, and then the second would be Nahor, followed by Abram, who both take wives after the death of their elder brother Haran (Gen 11:29) in Ur of the Chaldees.

Continuing with Terah & Abraham:

1850 - 1879 - Terah (205) (Gen 11:24; Luk 3:34) + 130 (Abram; Gen 11:32, 12:4; Luk 3:34; Acts 7:2-4) + 75 (died; Gen 11:32)

1879 - 2009 - Abram (175) (Gen 11:32, 12:4; Luk 3:34; Acts 7:2-4; leaves Haran at 75; AM 2084) + 86 (Ishmael; Gen 16:15-16; AM 2095) + 13 (circumcised at 99; Gen 17:1,24; AM 2108) + 1 year (journey + 9 months pregnancy of Sarah, Abraham is 100; Isaac; Gen 17:21, 18:10, 21:2-3,5; Luk 3:34; Acts 7:8; AM 2109) + 75 (died; Gen 25:7-8)

2009 - 2095 - Ishmael (137) (Gen 16:15-16) + 13 (circumcised; Gen 17:25; AM 2108) + 124 (died; Gen 25:17; AM 2232); Abram was 75 in leaving Haran (Gen 12:4), and Gen 16:3 says that he dwelt 10 years in the land of promise (Canaan), making him 85, when Sarai gave Hagar to Abram (Gen 16:3), and 9 months (pregnancy) later (round 1 year), making Abram 86 (Gen 16:16) at the birth of Ishmael, and Ishmael dying at AM 2232.

2009 - 2109 - Isaac (180) (Gen 17:21, 18:10, 21:2-3,5; Luk 3:34; Acts 7:8; Ishmael is now 14; Gen 17:25; AM 2108) + 8 days (circumcised; Gen 21:4; Acts 7:8) + 40 (Rebekah as wife; Gen 25:20; AM 2149) + 20 (birth of twins, Esau and Jacob; Isaac is 60; Gen 25:26; Acts 7:8; and Ishmael is 74; Gen 17:25; AM 2169) + 120 (died; Gen 35:28-29; AM 2289)

2109 - 2169 - Jacob (147) (Isaac is 60; Gen 25:26; Mat 1:2; Luk 3:34; Acts 7:8) (Jacob grows up, and lives as a 'plain man' 'dwelling in tents'; Gen 25:27' and there is a famine in the land; Gen 26:1, and Isaac then dwells in Gerar, “a long time”; Gen 26:8; and lives another “year” there, Gen 26:12, and afterward moves to the “valley of Gerar”; Gen 26:17; then moves to Rehoboth and Beersheba; Gen 26:23; and Esau is “forty” (40) years old at this time (making Isaac, 60 (40+20) + 40 = 100; AM 2209 (80 years left for Isaac)) and marries Judith and Bashemath, which makes Jacob, his twin, also 40 at that same time (AM 2209)) + X (and then the scripture says, “it came to pass, that when Isaac was old, and his eyes were dim, so that he could not see”; Gen 27:1; which is like unto Israel (147) in Gen 48:10; and Eli (98), in 1 Sam 4:15, but many years had passed, and Jacob then goes to Padanaram; Syria & Laban; Gen 28:5) + 30 days (abides with Laban; Gen 29:14) + 7 (Leah; Gen 29:27; 31:41) + 1 week (Gen 29:27-28) + 7 (Rachel, though she was given that night after the 1 week with Leah; Gen 29:18-21,28,30, 31:41; Hos 12:12; and Rachel was barren for 14 years in which many children were born to Jacob ((Leah) Reuben – Gen 29:32; (Leah) Simeon – Gen 29:33; (Leah) Levi – Gen 29:34; (Leah) – Judah – Gen 29:35; (Bilhah) – Dan - Gen 30:6; (Bilhah) – Naphtali – Gen 30:8; (Zilpah) – Gad – Gen 30:11; (Zilpah) – Asher – Gen 30:13; (Leah) – Issachar – Gen 30:18; (Leah) – Zebulun – Gen 30:20; (Leah) – Dinah (daughter) – Gen 30:21) and finally Joseph; at the end of Rachel's 7 years, making it 14 years total (10 boys and 1 girl, 11 total in 14 years) when Joseph is born; Gen 30:24; Acts 7:8; AM 2260; making Jacob 91 years old) + 6 (working for flocks; Gen 30:28; (flocks producing about every 5 months; Gen 30:39, 31:41) 20 years total working for Laban; Gen 31:38,41; AM 2266) + 11 (coat of many colours; Joseph is 17 years old; Gen 37:2-3) + 11 (years Joseph as a slave) + 2 (years of Joseph in Egypt, serving Potiphar; Gen 39:1 and keeper of the prison; Gen 39:21-22, before famine; Dreams of Pharaoh; Gen 41:1; Joseph is 30 when before Pharaoh; Gen 41:46) + 7 (plenty; Gen 41:29,53) + 2 (famine (5 left); Gen 41:30, 45:6; Jacob meets Pharaoh at age 130; Gen 47:9, 50:22; Exo 1:1; Jos 24:4; 1 Sam 12:8; Psa 105:23; this means that since Isaac was 60 when Esau/Jacob was born, Gen 25:26; Acts 7:8; AM 2169, and Esau/Jacob is now 130 (AM 2299), and Isaac only lived to 180; that Esau/Jacob buried their father 10 years earlier; Gen 35:28-29; AM 2289) + 5 (remaining famine; Gen 41:30, 45:6) + 12 (died; Gen 47:28, 49:33; Acts 7:15; AM 2316)

Death of Jacob (AM 2316; Jacob is 147) – 12 (AM 2304) – 5 (AM 2299; Jacob is 130) – 2 (AM 2297) – 7 (AM 2290) – 2 (AM 2288; Joseph is 30) – 11 (AM 2277; Joseph is 17) – 11 (AM 2266) – 6 (AM 2260; Joseph is born) = 56 years from 147 years total = 91 years of age when Joseph was born to Jacob.

2169 - 2260 - Joseph (110) (finally Joseph; at the end of Rachel's 7 years, making it 14 years total (10 boys and 1 girl, 11 total in 14 years) when Joseph is born; Gen 30:24; Acts 7:8; AM 2260; making Jacob 91 years old) + 17 (coat of many colours; Gen 37:2-3) + 11 (years as a slave) + 2 (years in Egypt, serving Potiphar; Gen 39:1 and keeper of the prison; Gen 39:21-22, before famine; Dreams of Pharaoh; Gen 41:1; Joseph is 30 when before Pharaoh; Gen 41:46) + 7 (plenty; Gen 41:29,53) + 2 (famine (5 left); Gen 41:30, 45:6; Jacob meets Pharaoh at age 130; Gen 47:9) + 5 (remaining famine; Gen 41:30, 45:6) + 66 (died; Gen 50:22,26; Exo 1:6; AM 2370)

 

[Jay Ross]

I have no error in that which is presented, and have assumed nothing in the chronology, nor "interpreted" (that is forbidden, see Genesis 40:8; 2 Peter 1:20), but was very detailed, citing the passages themselves. You will have to provide scriptural reasons why the 'father' mentioned by Stephen is not Terah, Abraham's father, for Stephen is directly recounting that which was written, not that which was not. Genesis 22 does not mention Terah, at all.

But you have made assumptions and made interpretations particularly with respect to who Stephen was referring to when he stated that Abraham left Haran after his father had died. The Father that had died 16 years before Abraham left Haran was Noah, but that requires us to accept that Abraham was born when Terah was 70 year years old as is recorded in Genesis 11:26. Now when Jesus made the following statement: -

Matthew 3:9: - 9 and do not think to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.​

was Jesus referring to their immediate father or was Jesus using the same word, as Stephen had used it in Acts 7:4, to refer to a "remote" father, i.e. Abraham, who was removed by a number of descendant generations from the reference generation, i.e. the descendant generation that Jesus was speaking to, just as Stephen was referring to Noah in the case of Abraham in Acts 7:4.

You are forcing the immediate descendant generation as the only way Acts 7:4 can only be understood, whereas, the custom in Jesus day within the Israelite community was that the word "father" could be used for a patriarchal descendant, in Abraham's case, 10 descendant generations before Abraham as his father. This was an acceptable custom in Jesus' day.

You then present the argument give in the linked PDF document, as if that argument is true, and I note that it is an SDA document generated by and SDA church on an American Somaon island. It is the same argument that Ussher used in his Chronology of the OT.

beginning with Noah:

0874 - 1056 - Noah (950) (Gen 5:28,29; Luk 3:36) + 500 (Gen 5:32) + 100 (Gen 7:6,11; +3, Shem; Gen 11:10, +97) + 350 (died; Gen 9:28,29)
1056 - 1559 - Shem (600) (Gen 5:32, 7:6,11, 11:10) + 100 (Arphaxad; Gen 11:10; Luk 3:36) + 500 (died; Gen 11:11)
1559 - 1659 - Arphaxad (438) (Gen 11:10; Luk 3:36) + 35 (Salah; Gen 11:12; Luk 3:35) + 403 (died; Gen 11:13)
???? - ???? - Cainan (Luk 3:35) (several possibilities, none of which are error, neither scribal error, *)
1659 - 1694 - Salah (433) (Gen 11:12; Luk 3:35) + 30 (Eber; Gen 11:14; Luk 3:35) + 403 (died; Gen 11:15)
1694 - 1724 - Eber (464) (Gen 11:14; Luk 3:35) + 34 (Peleg; Gen 11:16; Luk 3:35) + 430 (died; Gen 11:17)
1724 - 1758 - Peleg (239) (Gen 11:16; Luk 3:35) + 30 (Reu; Gen 11:18; Luk 3:35) + 209 (died; Gen 11:19)
1758 - 1788 - Reu (239) (Gen 11:18; Luk 3:35) + 32 (Serug; Gen 11:20; Luk 3:35) + 207 (died; Gen 11:21)
1788 - 1820 - Serug (230) (Gen 11:20; Luk 3:35) + 30 (Nahor; Gen 11:22; Luk 3:34) + 200 (died; Gen 11:23)
1820 - 1850 - Nahor (148) (Gen 11:22; Luk 3:34) + 29 (Terah; Gen 11:24; Luk 3:34) + 119 (died; Gen 11:25)
1850 - 1879 - Terah (205) (Gen 11:24; Luk 3:34) + 130 (Abram; Gen 11:32, 12:4; Acts 7:2-4) + 75 (died; Gen 11:32)​

In the text of Genesis 11:26, we read:

Genesis 11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.​

This text, is like unto Genesis 11:10, in that it is not saying that Abraham was born in the 70th year of Terah, for we know this by comparing text with text in scripture. For instance:

Genesis 11:31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.

Genesis 11:32 And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran.

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.​

This is repeated in Acts 7:

Acts 7:2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,

Acts 7:3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.

Acts 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.​

Combining Genesis 11:32, with Genesis 12:4, with Acts 7:4, we come to understand that Abram was 75 years old when Terah died at 205. This would place the birth of Abram at 130th year of Terah. If we use a similar approach here, as that of Shem, Ham and Japheth, then it is likely that Haran was the firstborn, and first to die young (Gen 11:28), as it mentions no wives of his, and then the second would be Nahor, followed by Abram, who both take wives after the death of their elder brother Haran (Gen 11:29) in Ur of the Chaldees.

Now in your opening paragraph of your post, you also have used the paragraph that Terah's name is not mentioned in the following passage: -

Gen 22:20-24: - The Family of Nahor
20 Now it came to pass after these things that it was told Abraham, saying, "Indeed Milcah also has borne children to your brother Nahor: 21 Huz his firstborn, Buz his brother, Kemuel the father of Aram, 22 Chesed, Hazo, Pildash, Jidlaph, and Bethuel." 23 And Bethuel begot Rebekah. These eight Milcah bore to Nahor, Abraham's brother. 24 His concubine, whose name was Reumah, also bore Tebah, Gaham, Thahash, and Maachah.
​

Now the question you have not considered and answered is this, "Why was Abraham learning at this point in his life about his Brother Nahor's family, about 60 years after he had left Haran? What reason would cause this to occur? Could it possibly be because Nahor was advising Abraham that his father Terah had died?

Now which parts of the Bible do you believe are true and which parts of the Bible are not true and as such we do not have to believe them?

Now, to then make the statement

Your bias and prejudice towards Seventh-day Adventists (keepers of chronology, history, oracles of God and prophecy) will not help your search for truth. I would recommend you place that aside:

Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

The question I have for you is, "Will the SDA help me in searching for the truth?" I do not think so when there are errors like the ones pointed out above in this post.

Shalom

 

[ReChoired]

..Abraham was born when Terah was 70 year years old as is recorded in Genesis 11:26.

The text doesn't say what you stated:

Gen 11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.​

Otherwise to read it as you have (private interpretation) is to have Abram, Nahor and Haran as triplets of Terah all in the 70th year (which is idiocy). The text also does not say that Abraham was firstborn (again you assumed).

Stephen in context was speaking of Abraham's immediate father, and family (kindred) not his great, great, etc 'father'.

Acts 7 doesn't even mention Noah, at all, and the context is Abraham's immediate family in Haran, not Ararat (Noah) (even the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge (as other good commentary, which are useful, though not foundation) does not link to Noah, but to Terah, "came: Gen_11:31-32, Gen_12:4-5; Isa_41:2, Isa_41:9").

Act 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
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The text of Matthew, in that Abraham "our Father" (referring to the Jews) has nothing to do with the texts cited, in their context, but is misdirection and misapplication in this instance, between Genesis 11 and Acts 7. You simply pulled 'Noah' out of thin air.

 

[ReChoired]

Continuing with Terah & Abraham:

1850 - 1879 - Terah (205) (Gen 11:24; Luk 3:34) + 130 (Abram; Gen 11:32, 12:4; Luk 3:34; Acts 7:2-4) + 75 (died; Gen 11:32)

1879 - 2009 - Abram (175) (Gen 11:32, 12:4; Luk 3:34; Acts 7:2-4; leaves Haran at 75; AM 2084) + 86 (Ishmael; Gen 16:15-16; AM 2095) + 13 (circumcised at 99; Gen 17:1,24; AM 2108) + 1 year (journey + 9 months pregnancy of Sarah, Abraham is 100; Isaac; Gen 17:21, 18:10, 21:2-3,5; Luk 3:34; Acts 7:8; AM 2109) + 75 (died; Gen 25:7-8)...

When Jacob meets Pharaoh, it is the year AM 2299, and this is the year that Jacob/Israel and his sons (the tribes of) went down into Egypt and 'sojourned' there.

Genesis 46:1 And Israel took his journey with all that he had, and came to Beersheba, and offered sacrifices unto the God of his father Isaac.

Genesis 46:2 And God spake unto Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob, Jacob. And he said, Here am I.

Genesis 46:3 And he said, I am God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation:

Genesis 46:4 I will go down with thee into Egypt; and I will also surely bring thee up again: and Joseph shall put his hand upon thine eyes.

Genesis 46:5 And Jacob rose up from Beersheba: and the sons of Israel carried Jacob their father, and their little ones, and their wives, in the wagons which Pharaoh had sent to carry him.

Genesis 46:6 And they took their cattle, and their goods, which they had gotten in the land of Canaan, and came into Egypt, Jacob, and all his seed with him:

Genesis 46:7 His sons, and his sons' sons with him, his daughters, and his sons' daughters, and all his seed brought he with him into Egypt.

Genesis 46:26 All the souls that came with Jacob into Egypt, which came out of his loins, besides Jacob's sons' wives, all the souls were threescore and six;

Genesis 46:27 And the sons of Joseph, which were born him in Egypt, were two souls: all the souls of the house of Jacob, which came into Egypt, were threescore and ten.

Genesis 47:1 Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.

Genesis 47:2 And he took some of his brethren, even five men, and presented them unto Pharaoh.

Genesis 47:3 And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

Genesis 47:4 They said moreover unto Pharaoh, For to sojourn in the land are we come; for thy servants have no pasture for their flocks; for the famine is sore in the land of Canaan: now therefore, we pray thee, let thy servants dwell in the land of Goshen.

Genesis 47:5 And Pharaoh spake unto Joseph, saying, Thy father and thy brethren are come unto thee:

Genesis 47:6 The land of Egypt is before thee; in the best of the land make thy father and brethren to dwell; in the land of Goshen let them dwell: and if thou knowest any men of activity among them, then make them rulers over my cattle.

Genesis 47:7 And Joseph brought in Jacob his father, and set him before Pharaoh: and Jacob blessed Pharaoh.

Genesis 47:8 And Pharaoh said unto Jacob, How old art thou?

Genesis 47:9 And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years: few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage.

Genesis 47:10 And Jacob blessed Pharaoh, and went out from before Pharaoh.

Genesis 47:11 And Joseph placed his father and his brethren, and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Rameses, as Pharaoh had commanded.

Genesis 47:12 And Joseph nourished his father, and his brethren, and all his father's household, with bread, according to their families.

Genesis 47:29 And Israel dwelt in the land of Egypt, in the country of Goshen; and they had possessions therein, and grew, and multiplied exceedingly.

Genesis 50:22 And Joseph dwelt in Egypt, he, and his father's house: and Joseph lived an hundred and ten years.​

Now let's see what other information we can glean, since the ages of persons basically ceases with Joseph:

Exodus 12:40 Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.

Exodus 12:41 And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt.​

We have further confirmation of the 400+ year time span (400 years of being entreated evil, and the first 30 of being treated with kindness because of Joseph), as God had foretold this to Abraham:

Genesis 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

Genesis 15:14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

Acts 7:6 And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.

Acts 7:6 And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place.

Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.​

Genesis 47:4 proves that the famine in the land of Canaan was already in its second year (Genesis 41:30, 45:6; at which time Jacob was 130 years of age; Genesis 47:9; AM 2299), and Genesis 46:4 shows that it was God who commanded Jacob/Israel to go into Egypt, and that God would be with Him entering in, and leaving (with his children), for a promise of the future was given to Abraham, that the Egyptians would “afflict them” (Genesis 15:13), and “entreat them evil four hundred years” (Acts 7:6). Yet we know that Jacob/Israel and his children were not entreated evil or afflicted at the first (30 years), but received welcome into Egypt on behalf of Joseph by command of Pharaoh (Genesis 47:6,11,29, 50:22). It was only after the famine of 7 years was over (Genesis 41:30, 45:6; AM 2304), and after Jacob/Israel died (17 years later from speaking to Pharaoh, at the age of 147; Genesis 47:28, 49:33; Acts 7:15; AM 2316) and a few more years (AM 2329), that a change slowly began to take place, and all the moreso when Joseph himself died (Genesis 50:22,26; Exodus 1:6; AM 2370) and a new Pharaoh arose (Exodus 1:8-14). A slow transition had taken place, and didn't all take place in a day.

Therefore, if we take the date at which Jacob/Israel stood before Pharaoh (at age 130; Gen 47:9; AM 2299) and was invited into the land of Egypt, along with all his household, we can simply add the 430 years (Exodus 12:40-41; Galatians 3:17) to that date. AM 2299 + 430 = AM 2729, for the coming out of Egypt, “even the selfsame day” (Exodus 12:41).

 

[Jay Ross]

The text doesn't say what you stated:

Gen 11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.​

Otherwise to read it as you have (private interpretation) is to have Abram, Nahor and Haran as triplets of Terah all in the 70th year (which is idiocy). The text also does not say that Abraham was firstborn (again you assumed).

Stephen in context was speaking of Abraham's immediate father, and family (kindred) not his great, great, etc 'father'.

Acts 7 doesn't even mention Noah, at all, and the context is Abraham's immediate family in Haran, not Ararat (Noah) (even the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge (as other good commentary, which are useful, though not foundation) does not link to Noah, but to Terah, "came: Gen_11:31-32, Gen_12:4-5; Isa_41:2, Isa_41:9").

Act 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.
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The text of Matthew, in that Abraham "our Father" (referring to the Jews) has nothing to do with the texts cited, in their context, but is misdirection and misapplication in this instance, between Genesis 11 and Acts 7. You simply pulled 'Noah' out of thin air.

Please, it seem that you are having difficulty is understanding what I have posted because you have blindly accepted as truth what has been written by others.
You said, "The text also does not say that Abraham was firstborn (again you assumed)." but you have also assumed that the Genesis 11:26 verse is in error because of how Acts 7:4 has been interpreted by others and which you have come to accept is the "truth" of the matter.

With respect to what Stephen in context was speaking, we should in context accept the contexts found in the following verses where πατέρα can be found 94-94 times in the New Testament: -

Matthew 3:9, 4:22, 5:16, 8:21, 10:37, 11:27, 15:4, 15:4, 15:6, 19:5, 19:19, 19:29, 23:9, 26:53, Mark 1:20, 5:40, 7:10, 7:10, 9:21, 10:7, 10:19, 10:29, 15:21, Luke 1:73, 3:8, 8:51, 9:59, 11:11, 14:26, 15:18, 15:20, 18:20, John 5:18, 5:19, 5:23, 5:23, 5:45, 6:42, 6:46, 6:46, 6:57, 8:19, 8:19, 8:27, 8:41, 8:49, 10:15, 13:1, 14:6, 14:7, 14:8, 14:9, 14:9, 14:12, 14:16, 14:28, 14:31, 15:16, 15:23, 15:24, 16:3, 16:10, 16:17, 16:23, 6:26, 16:28, 20:17, 20:17, 20:17, Acts 7:4, 7:14, 28:8, Romans 4:11, 4:12, 4:17, 4:18, 15:6, 2 Corinthians 6:18, Ephesians 2:18, 3:14, 5:31, 6:2, 1 Timothy 5:1, Hebrews 1:5, James 3:9, 1 Peter 1:17, 1 John 1:2, 2:1, 2:13, 2:22, 2:23, 2:23, 2 John 1:9​

Let us consider the context of the following verses from chapter 7: -

Acts 7:14-16: - 14 Then Joseph sent and called his father Jacob and all his relatives to him, seventy-five people. 15 So Jacob went down to Egypt; and he died, he and our fathers. 16 And they were carried back to Shechem and laid in the tomb that Abraham bought for a sum of money from the sons of Hamor, the father of Shechem.​

Now did you spot the error in verse 16 above?

As far as we know from the OT of the Bible only Joseph's bones were carried back to Shechem to be buried in the field that Jacob had brought.

Joshua 24:32: - 32 The bones of Joseph, which the children of Israel had brought up out of Egypt, they buried at Shechem, in the plot of ground which Jacob had bought from the sons of Hamor the father of Shechem for one hundred pieces of silver, and which had become an inheritance of the children of Joseph.​

Now if the record of what Stephen had said is true, then Stephen got some of his facts wrong.

Now to claim that I have provided a private interpretation is a false interpretation in that everybody's interpretation is a private even when many have come to the same conclusion.

Now to suggest that I pulled Noah's name out of thin air is a false accusation since a chronology of the OT patriarchs as recorded in Genesis 11 confirms that the only patriarch that died during the time that Abraham was in Haran was Noah, and Noah died after Abraham had left Ur with his father Terah before Noah died, when he was around 50 years of age, and Noah died around 9 year later, 16 years before Abraham left Haran.

Now logically, if Terah had died before Abraham had left Haran, then God's command to Abraham to leave his fathers household would not have been possible as he then could have only left the household of the person who inherited Terah's household after Terah's death. If this is the case then God must have got the Abrahamic Covenant wrong by your logic.

I would not want to be in your shoes if that is your rational.

Shalom

 

[ReChoired]

...I would not want to be in your shoes if that is your rational.

Shalom

The confusion is upon your part, and not mine own which is of scripture, and not others. Also to list every reference in the NT in regard 'father/s' is irrelevant to the immediate context of Acts 7, Genesis 11. Father Adam is not in context of Acts 7, neither Acts 7:4. Acts 7 begins with Abraham, and none before him. The context is Abraham, and immediate family (kindred). Noah is likewise not present in all the text, and neither the entirety of the flood, as Acts 7 begins after the flood during the time of Abraham.

Look at the chronology itself.

Noah was already dead, 3 years before Abraham was even born; Noah dying in A.M. 2006 (living from A.M. 1056 (Noah (950) (Gen 5:28,29; Luk 3:36) + 500 (Gen 5:32) + 100 (Gen 7:6,11) + 350 (died; Gen 9:28,29) unto A.M. 2006)

Abraham was born in A.M. 2009 (being from 1879 - Terah (205) (Gen 11:24; Luk 3:34) + 130 (Abram; Gen 11:32, 12:4; Acts 7:2-4) + 75 (died; Gen 11:32)).

Look at what the texts clearly state (not what you assume they state):

In the text of Genesis 11:26, we read:

Genesis 11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.​

This text, is like unto Genesis 11:10, in that it is not saying that Abraham was born in the 70th year of Terah, for we know this by comparing text with text in scripture. For instance:

Genesis 11:31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.

Genesis 11:32 And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran.

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.​

This is repeated in Acts 7:

Acts 7:2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,

Acts 7:3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.

Acts 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.​

Combining Genesis 11:32, with Genesis 12:4, with Acts 7:4, we come to understand that Abram was 75 years old when Terah died at 205. This would place the birth of Abram at 130th year of Terah. If we use a similar approach here, as that of Shem, Ham and Japheth, then it is likely that Haran was the firstborn, and first to die young (Gen 11:28), as it mentions no wives of his, and then the second would be Nahor, followed by Abram, who both take wives after the death of their elder brother Haran (Gen 11:29) in Ur of the Chaldees.

Acts 7:3-4, refer to the very passages of Genesis 11:32, 12:1,4 and even uses the almost exact same words:

"Get thee out of thy country" - Genesis 12:1; Acts 7:3 and this was said by God to Abraham after Terah, "his (Abraham's) father" died (Genesis 11:32; Acts 7:4).

"and from thy kindred" - Genesis 12:1; Acts 7:3.

"father" - Genesis 12:1 (context Genesis 11:32, "Terah"); Acts 7:4
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The last time Noah was mentioned was in Genesis 10, in the listing of the nations, and not in Genesis 11, 12, etc. Noah is not mentioned in Acts 7 at all, and the context begins with Abraham already in Mesopotamia. Both contexts tells you it is Abraham's immediate father, not the great, great, great, great, great, great, (great; Cainan), great, great grandfather Noah.

The context of Matthew (and other such texts which use 'father' in the generational meaning) dictates that the Jews are referring to so many generations unto Abraham (as 'our father'), but the context of Genesis 11 and Acts 7 has no such context.

 

[ReChoired]

When Jacob meets Pharaoh, it is the year AM 2299, and this is the year that Jacob/Israel and his sons (the tribes of) went down into Egypt and 'sojourned' there. ...

Therefore, if we take the date at which Jacob/Israel stood before Pharaoh (at age 130; Gen 47:9; AM 2299) and was invited into the land of Egypt, along with all his household, we can simply add the 430 years (Exodus 12:40-41; Galatians 3:17) to that date. AM 2299 + 430 = AM 2729, for the coming out of Egypt, “even the selfsame day” (Exodus 12:41).

From the time that Israel (the peoples) left from out of Egypt (AM 2729) unto the building of Solomon's Temple is 480 more years. AM 3209:

1 Kings 16:1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD.​

Side note on Aaron:

???? - 2646 - Aaron (123) (died; Numbers 33:38-39; AM 2769)

Since Aaron was 123 years old in the 40th year (AM 2769) after leaving Egypt (AM 2729), we subtract 123 from AM 2769, to come to AM 2646 for his birth, and add 83 years to come to his (and Moses') speaking with Pharaoh (AM 2729) right before they left Egypt.

Aaron lives in Egypt for 43 years (when Moses leaves), and another 40 years, and then along with Moses who returned after 40 years in the wilderness, speaks to Pharaoh at 83 (when Moses returns at 80, having lived in Egypt for 40 years, and apart from Egypt for 40 years), and leaves Egypt at 83 (Moses at 80), and wanders 40 years in the wilderness dying at 123 (Moses 120).

We do not know the age of Amram when siring Aaron, but we do know that Amram lived to be 137 years old (Exo 6:20), and that Aaron was older than Moses by 3 years (Num 33:38-39; Deut 34:7). Kohath, father of Amram, lived 133 years (Exo 6:18), and Levi, father of Kohath, lived 137 years (Exo 6:16).

Exodus 7:7 And Moses was fourscore years old, and Aaron fourscore and three years old, when they spake unto Pharaoh.

Numbers 33:38 And Aaron the priest went up into mount Hor at the commandment of the LORD, and died there, in the fortieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the first day of the fifth month.

Numbers 33:39 And Aaron was an hundred and twenty and three years old when he died in mount Hor.​

Side note on Moses:

???? - 2649 - Moses (120) (died; Deut 345-7; AM 2769)

Moses leaves at 40 years of age. Returns to Pharaoh at 80, and leaves Egypt at 80, and wanders 40 years in the wilderness dying at 120. We know that Moses was 3 years younger, or was born 3 years after, Aaron (Exo 7:7; Num 33:38-39; Deut 34:5-7).

We do not know the age of Amram when siring Moses (except to say that it was Aaron + 3), but we do know that Amram lived to be 137 years old (Exo 6:20), and that Aaron was older than Moses by 3 years (Num 33:38-39; Deut 34:7). Kohath, father of Amram, lived 133 years (Exo 6:18), and Levi, father of Kohath, lived 137 years (Exo 6:16).

Exodus 7:7 And Moses was fourscore years old, and Aaron fourscore and three years old, when they spake unto Pharaoh.

Deuteronomy 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

Deuteronomy 34:6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.

Deuteronomy 34:7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.​

 

[Jay Ross]

The confusion is upon your part, and not mine own which is of scripture, and not others. Also to list every reference in the NT in regard 'father/s' is irrelevant to the immediate context of Acts 7, Genesis 11. Father Adam is not in context of Acts 7, neither Acts 7:4. Acts 7 begins with Abraham, and none before him. The context is Abraham, and immediate family (kindred). Noah is likewise not present in all the text, and neither the entirety of the flood, as Acts 7 begins after the flood during the time of Abraham.

You are attempting to claim the moral high ground which you cannot defend from scripture, and the list of Greek words that are identical to the Greek word πατέρα, is found 93-94 time within the NT. The Greek Root word, G:3962, πατήρ, is found around 112 times in the NT and is found embedded in another 8 to 10 Greek words depending on the Interlinear being consulted, for a total of 306 times.

Now, your claim that I listed ever occurrence of the G:Root G:3962 is based on a furphy on your part where the Greek Root, G:3962, is identified as occurring or as being embedded in a Greek Word, around 418 times. It is obvious that your understanding is limited, otherwise you would not have made such a foolish claim. The context of the Greek Word, πατέρα, is important and the meaning of this word should be the same where ever it is found. Your understanding is based on a flawed private interpretation. I am comparing like texts with text as you have also claimed to justify your flawed understanding. You cannot have it one way for you and another way for me. Either I can compare text with texts or, if that is not allowed, then you cannot compare text with text to support your theory. It is of itself a false argument.

Look at the chronology itself.

Noah was already dead, 3 years before Abraham was even born; Noah dying in A.M. 2006 (living from A.M. 1056 (Noah (950) (Gen 5:28,29; Luk 3:36) + 500 (Gen 5:32) + 100 (Gen 7:6,11) + 350 (died; Gen 9:28,29) unto A.M. 2006)

Abraham was born in A.M. 2009 (being from 1879 - Terah (205) (Gen 11:24; Luk 3:34) + 130 (Abram; Gen 11:32, 12:4; Acts 7:2-4) + 75 (died; Gen 11:32)).

Look at what the texts clearly state (not what you assume they state):

In normal chronologies, of the OT, Abraham was born in the year 1949 A.M. around 59 years before Noah Died, but because you skewed the year in which Abraham was born on a flawed private interpretation, this fact cannot be seen in the chronological timeline that you have created because it dooes not show up the overlapping of their respective lives with each other.

In the text of Genesis 11:26, we read:

Genesis 11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.​

This text, is like unto Genesis 11:10, in that it is not saying that Abraham was born in the 70th year of Terah, for we know this by comparing text with text in scripture. For instance:

Genesis 11:31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.

Genesis 11:32 And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran.

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Genesis 12:4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.​

This is repeated in Acts 7:

Acts 7:2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,

Acts 7:3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.

Acts 7:4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.​

Combining Genesis 11:32, with Genesis 12:4, with Acts 7:4, we come to understand that Abram was 75 years old when Terah died at 205. This would place the birth of Abram at 130th year of Terah. If we use a similar approach here, as that of Shem, Ham and Japheth, then it is likely that Haran was the firstborn, and first to die young (Gen 11:28), as it mentions no wives of his, and then the second would be Nahor, followed by Abram, who both take wives after the death of their elder brother Haran (Gen 11:29) in Ur of the Chaldees.

Acts 7:3-4, refer to the very passages of Genesis 11:32, 12:1,4 and even uses the almost exact same words:

"Get thee out of thy country" - Genesis 12:1; Acts 7:3 and this was said by God to Abraham after Terah, "his (Abraham's) father" died (Genesis 11:32; Acts 7:4).

"and from thy kindred" - Genesis 12:1; Acts 7:3.

"father" - Genesis 12:1 (context Genesis 11:32, "Terah"); Acts 7:4
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The last time Noah was mentioned was in Genesis 10, in the listing of the nations, and not in Genesis 11, 12, etc. Noah is not mentioned in Acts 7 at all, and the context begins with Abraham already in Mesopotamia. Both contexts tells you it is Abraham's immediate father, not the great, great, great, great, great, great, (great; Cainan), great, great grandfather Noah.

The context of Matthew (and other such texts which use 'father' in the generational meaning) dictates that the Jews are referring to so many generations unto Abraham (as 'our father'), but the context of Genesis 11 and Acts 7 has no such context.

Now, because you have accepted a flawed theory as being true, I am sure that even God could not convince you that you are wrong.

It seems that it is best to leave you with your delusion.

Have a nice time then.

 

[ReChoired]

...Let us consider the context of the following verses from chapter 7: -

Acts 7:14-16: - 14 Then Joseph sent and called his father Jacob and all his relatives to him, seventy-five people. 15 So Jacob went down to Egypt; and he died, he and our fathers. 16 And they were carried back to Shechem and laid in the tomb that Abraham bought for a sum of money from the sons of Hamor, the father of Shechem.​

Now did you spot the error in verse 16 above?

...

I would not want to be in your shoes if that is your rational.

Shalom

Acts 7:14-16 in reference to "he" is "Joseph", and "our fathers" were Joseph's brothers, the other tribes, and his immediate father, "Jacob"/"Israel", listing them as "seventy-five people" (KJB - "threescore and fifteen souls", Noah is not included, neither is Abraham in vs 14-15; Abraham is only included in vs 16 by the mention of the purchase of the land, but he is not a part of the "our fathers" in the "threescore and fifteen souls"). See Genesis 46:6-7,15,25-27; Deuteronomy 10:22:

Gen 46:6 And they took their cattle, and their goods, which they had gotten in the land of Canaan, and came into Egypt, Jacob, and all his seed with him:
Gen 46:7 His sons, and his sons' sons with him, his daughters, and his sons' daughters, and all his seed brought he with him into Egypt.

Gen 46:15 These be the sons of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob in Padanaram, with his daughter Dinah: all the souls of his sons and his daughters were thirty and three.

Gen 46:25 These are the sons of Bilhah, which Laban gave unto Rachel his daughter, and she bare these unto Jacob: all the souls were seven.
Gen 46:26 All the souls that came with Jacob into Egypt, which came out of his loins, besides Jacob's sons' wives, all the souls were threescore and six;
Gen 46:27 And the sons of Joseph, which were born him in Egypt, were two souls: all the souls of the house of Jacob, which came into Egypt, were threescore and ten.

Deu 10:22 Thy fathers went down into Egypt with threescore and ten persons; and now the LORD thy God hath made thee as the stars of heaven for multitude.

Act 7:14 Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls.
Act 7:15 So Jacob went down into Egypt, and died, he, and our fathers,
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33, 66, 70, 75.

[1] 33 - Count all the sons and daughters of Jacob in this list (if we subtract "Er", "Onan" (dying in Canaan) and include in their place "Dinah" (vs 15) and "Benjamin" (Genesis 45:14)).

Gen 46:8 And these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt, Jacob and his sons: [01] Reuben, Jacob's firstborn.
Gen 46:9 And the sons of Reuben; [02] Hanoch, and [03] Phallu, and [04] Hezron, and [05] Carmi.
Gen 46:10 And the sons of [06] Simeon; [07] Jemuel, and [08] Jamin, and [09] Ohad, and [10] Jachin, and [11] Zohar, and [12] Shaul the son of a Canaanitish woman.
Gen 46:11 And the sons of [13] Levi; [14] Gershon, [15] Kohath, and [16] Merari.
Gen 46:12 And the sons of [17] Judah; [XX] Er, and [XX] Onan, and [18] Shelah, and [19] Pharez, and [20] Zerah: but Er and Onan died in the land of Canaan. And the sons of Pharez were [21] Hezron and [22] Hamul.
Gen 46:13 And the sons of [23] Issachar; [24] Tola, and [25] Phuvah, and [26] Job, and [27] Shimron.
Gen 46:14 And the sons of [28] Zebulun; [29] Sered, and [30] Elon, and [31] Jahleel.
Gen 46:15 These be the sons of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob in Padanaram, with his daughter [32] Dinah: all the souls of his sons and his daughters were thirty and three. [33] Benjamin (Genesis 45:14)​

[2] 66 - Count the whole family later, minus the four 'wives', so, Jacob/Israel and children.

Gen 46:16 And the sons of [34] Gad; [35] Ziphion, and [36] Haggi, [37] Shuni, and [38] Ezbon, [39] Eri, and [40] Arodi, and [41] Areli.
Gen 46:17 And the sons of [42] Asher; [43] Jimnah, and [44] Ishuah, and [45] Isui, and [46] Beriah, and [47] Serah their sister: and the sons of Beriah; [48] Heber, and [49] Malchiel.
Gen 46:18 These are the sons of Zilpah, whom Laban gave to Leah his daughter, and these she bare unto Jacob, even sixteen souls.
Gen 46:19 The sons of Rachel Jacob's wife; Joseph, and Benjamin.
Gen 46:20 And unto Joseph in the land of Egypt were born Manasseh and Ephraim, which Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On bare unto him.
Gen 46:21 And the sons of [XX, already counted; Genesis 45:14, 46:15] Benjamin were [50] Belah, and [51] Becher, and [52] Ashbel, [53] Gera, and [54] Naaman, [55] Ehi, and [56] Rosh, [57] Muppim, and [58] Huppim, and [59] Ard.
Gen 46:22 These are the sons of Rachel, which were born to Jacob: all the souls were fourteen.
Gen 46:23 And the sons of [60] Dan; [61] Hushim.
Gen 46:24 And the sons of [62] Naphtali; [63] Jahzeel, and [64] Guni, and [65] Jezer, and [66] Shillem.
Gen 46:25 These are the sons of Bilhah, which Laban gave unto Rachel his daughter, and she bare these unto Jacob: all the souls were seven.
Gen 46:26 All the souls that came with Jacob into Egypt, which came out of his loins, besides Jacob's sons' wives, all the souls were threescore and six;​

[3] 70 - Previous count (66) and now including Jacob's 'wives' (living, 3- Leah, Zilpah & Bilhah) and Jacob himself; therefore (1) Jacob/Israel, (66) children that made it into Egypt (not including "Er" and "Onan" dying in Canaan; Genesis 46:12) and (3) living wives (Rachel dying in Canaan, near Bethlehem; Genesis 35:19, 48:7) = 70, or if we do not count the 'wives' of Jacob, we can count instead (68) Joseph, (69) Manasseh, & (70) Ephraim already in Egypt.

Gen 46:27 And the sons of Joseph, which were born him in Egypt, were two souls: all the souls of the house of Jacob, which came into Egypt, were threescore and ten.

Exo 1:5 And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already.

Deu 10:22 Thy fathers went down into Egypt with threescore and ten persons; and now the LORD thy God hath made thee as the stars of heaven for multitude.​

 

[ReChoired]

...Let us consider the context of the following verses from chapter 7: -

Acts 7:14-16: - 14 Then Joseph sent and called his father Jacob and all his relatives to him, seventy-five people. 15 So Jacob went down to Egypt; and he died, he and our fathers. 16 And they were carried back to Shechem and laid in the tomb that Abraham bought for a sum of money from the sons of Hamor, the father of Shechem.​

Now did you spot the error in verse 16 above?

...

I would not want to be in your shoes if that is your rational.

Shalom

[4] 75 - "all the souls" (Genesis 46:26), "Joseph", "his father Jacob", "all his kindred" (Acts 7:14), being (66) from the previous count, plus the 9 wives of the Sons of Jacob/Israel (with the wife of Judah dead, and possibly the wife of Simeon also dead, having a child by a Canaanitess; Genesis 46:10):

Act 7:14 Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls.
Act 7:15 So Jacob went down into Egypt, and died, he, and our fathers,​

One way to count just from the Hebrew text (exclusive of the so-called septuaginta, which did not yet exist*(evidence upon request), but as John Gill says, "... Moses and Stephen are speaking of different things; Moses speaks of the seed of Jacob, which came out of his loins, who came into Egypt, and so excludes his sons' wives; Stephen speaks of Jacob and all his kindred, among whom his sons' wives must be reckoned, whom Joseph called to him: according to Moses's account, the persons that came with Jacob into Egypt ...", and Scofield, says, "... The "house of Jacob" numbered seventy but the "kindred" would include the wives of Jacob's sons.", and Matthew Poole states, "... (it being then added, they were all such as came out of his loins), yet it is said they were seventy persons, Genesis 46:27, Jacob, Joseph, and Joseph’s two sons (who were also of the promised seed) being added unto the number. In this account of St. Stephen, his sons’ wives might be added, which make up seventy-five ..."):

[01] Jacob

[XX] Rachel (died in the land of Canaan; Genesis 35:19, 48:7)

[XX] Joseph (already in Egypt with his [XX] "wife" Asenath (Genesis 41:45); Acts 7:14)

[02] Manasseh
[03] Ephraim​

[04] Benjamin (his [05] "wife", as "daughter in law" to Jacob, "sister in law" to Joseph)

[06] Belah
[07] Becher
[08] Ashbel
[09] Gera
[10] Naaman
[11] Ehi
[12] Rosh
[13] Muppim
[14] Huppim
[15] Ard​

[XX] Leah

[16] Reuben (his [17] "wife", as "daughter in law" to Jacob, "sister in law" to Joseph)

[18] Hanoch
[19] Phallu
[20] Hezron
[21] Carmi​

[22] Simeon (his [XX] "wife", as "daughter in law" to Jacob most likely deceased, see Genesis 46:10)

[23] Jemuel
[24] Jamin
[25] Ohad
[26] Jachin
[27] Zohar
[28] Shaul the son of a Canaanitish woman.​

[29] Levi (his [30] "wife", as "daughter in law" to Jacob, "sister in law" to Joseph)

[31] Gershon
[32] Kohath
[33] Merari​

[34] Judah ([XX] Judah's wife ("daughter in law" to Jacob) was dead; Genesis 38:12)

[XX] Er (died in the land of Canaan; Genesis 46:12; Numbers 26:19; 1 Chronicles 2:3)
[XX] Onan (died in the land of Canaan; Genesis 46:12; Numbers 26:19)
[35] Shelah
[36] Pharez (through Tamar ("daughter in law"); 1 Chronicles 2:4)
[37] Zerah (through Tamar ("daughter in law"); 1 Chronicles 2:4)​

[38] Issachar (his [40] "wife", as "daughter in law" to Jacob)

[39] Tola
[40] Phuvah
[41] Job
[42] Shimron​

[43] Zebulun (his [44] "wife", as "daughter in law" to Jacob)

[45] Sered
[46] Elon
[47] Jahleel​

[48] Dinah​

[XX] Zilpah

[49] Gad (his [50] "wife", as "daughter in law" to Jacob, "sister in law" to Joseph)

[51] Ziphion
[52] Haggi
[53] Shuni
[54] Ezbon
[55] Eri
[56] Arodi
[57] Areli​

[58] Asher (his [59] "wife", as "daughter in law" to Jacob, "sister in law" to Joseph)

[60] Jimnah
[61] Ishuah
[62] Isui
[63] Beriah

[64] Heber
[65] Malchiel​

[66] Serah their sister​

[XX] Bilhah

[67] Dan (his [68] "wife", as "daughter in law" to Jacob, "sister in law" to Joseph)

[69] Hushim​

[70] Naphtali (his [71] "wife", as "daughter in law" to Jacob, "sister in law" to Joseph)

[72] Jahzeel
[73] Guni
[74] Jezer
[75] Shillem
​

One can also swap out Manasseh and Ephraim, with Tamar (as sister in law) Judah's 'wife' and also with the Canaanitish woman the mother of Shaul (son of Simeon) as another sister in law.​

 

[ReChoired]

From the time that Israel (the peoples) left from out of Egypt (AM 2729) unto the building of Solomon's Temple is 480 more years. AM 3209:

1 Kings 16:1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD.​

Side note on Aaron:

???? - 2646 - Aaron (123) (died; Numbers 33:38-39; AM 2769) ...

Side note on Moses:

???? - 2649 - Moses (120) (died; Deut 345-7; AM 2769) ...

Side note on Saul:

1 Samuel 10:1 Then Samuel took a vial of oil, and poured it upon his head, and kissed him, and said, Is it not because the LORD hath anointed thee to be captain over his inheritance?

1 Samuel 10:24 And Samuel said to all the people, See ye him whom the LORD hath chosen, that there is none like him among all the people? And all the people shouted, and said, God save the king.

1 Samuel 11:14 Then said Samuel to the people, Come, and let us go to Gilgal, and renew the kingdom there.

1 Samuel 11:15 And all the people went to Gilgal; and there they made Saul king before the LORD in Gilgal; and there they sacrificed sacrifices of peace offerings before the LORD; and there Saul and all the men of Israel rejoiced greatly.

1 Samuel 12:1 And Samuel said unto all Israel, Behold, I have hearkened unto your voice in all that ye said unto me, and have made a king over you.

1 Samuel 13:1 Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel,

Acts 13:21 And afterward they desired a king: and God gave unto them Saul the son of Cis, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, by the space of forty years.​

AM 3125 - Saul reigned - AM 3165 (Ishbosheth, Saul's son, was 40 years old, and co-reigned, in a sense (Israel followed Ishbosheth, but Judah followed) with David, 2 Sam 2:10, for 2 years, and then died, so we do not add 2 years between King Saul and King David, but they are included in King David's reign, which become retroactively applied later to the counting of David's reign over Israel.)

Side note on David:

2 Samuel 2:11 And the time that David was king in Hebron over the house of Judah was seven years and six months.

2 Samuel 5:4 David was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty years.

1 Kings 2:11 And the days that David reigned over Israel were forty years: seven years reigned he in Hebron, and thirty and three years reigned he in Jerusalem.

1 Chronicles 29:26 Thus David the son of Jesse reigned over all Israel.

1 Chronicles 29:27 And the time that he reigned over Israel was forty years; seven years reigned he in Hebron, and thirty and three years reigned he in Jerusalem.​

David was 30 years old (AM 3165) when he began to reign, and he reigned 40 years, making him 70 years old when he died (AM 3205), and working backwards from Solomon's 4th year of reign when he began to build the Temple (AM 3209), which was 480 years from the coming out of Egypt (AM 2729). We do not know how old Jesse was, when David was born, but we do know that David was the youngest (1 Sam 17:14).

???? - 3135 - David (70) (2 Sam 5:4; 1 Ki 2:11) (died; AM 3205)

AM 3165 - David's reign - AM 3205

Now we can look at the time of the building of the Temple to the Captivity, beginning with Solomon:

1 Kings 6:1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD.​

Thus we begin Solomon's 4th year in AM 3209.