Are Christians now going to be seen as threats to the nation?

[Blueberry]

They do appear chaotic - and I think God understands the sometimes natural fear that hits when we see the foundations beneath us crumble. I do think it's wise to meditate on Scriptures of peace, especially during these times of great change. I was reading that WW 3 is on the horizon - most likely a nuclear war. I read that Clinton signed some order re nuclear attacks that is basically suicide - so it looks as if there is some planned depopulation about to hit - we just don't know when.

Yeah, it is impossible to know with great detail how things will unfold exactly. It is interesting to me that you said Scriptures of peace. Before coming in here I felt the Lord said something about this to me in regard to you. I was going to suggest that maybe you at least maintain a 1:1 ratio. For every 30 minutes reading the headlines and the websites, spend that much in comforting Scriptures. I need to do that myself.

For me I am also taking actions to help me survive periods of unrest. Being in hurricane country one just does this. Most everywhere are weather or other issues that might motivate one to do some preps. But even elite billionaires in New Zealand aren't ultimately going to 'escape'. Our only refuge is the Lord. Everything else is an illusion and mirage. For me it always comes down to knowing my ultimate and eventual outcome. Between here and there though are no guarantees.

I pray that your loved ones will see these increasingly bad times and that this may actually become a positive thing in that regard. I know that is such great concern of yours. My family is all gone. (Buncha quitters they are! ;)) I will keep you and yours in my prayers.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Our only refuge is the Lord. Everything else is an illusion and mirage.

I agree with this 100%! As to guarantees, we only have those God gives us.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

To answer the OP's question, Christians are being seen as a threat to the deep state (the antichrist powers that be). This has been going on for some time, and it will only get worse as we approach the day that the antichrist openly rises to power.

In the meantime, I'm praying for revival as part of the End-time harvest. Other nations are seeing this, and I believe we will see revival here in the U.S. as well.

 

[Bobby Jo]

...Yes, all men are liars with their words and actions even when they do it in ignorance which is usually the case. ...

Not in YOUR case. In YOUR case it's simple disobedience. You can read, you can understand, and you can reason, -- you simply choose not to. But that OK because Scripture (Luke 22:35-36) has warned you, so be happy with your decision. And Good Luck.

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

... some have their paranoia, and it's not of GOD ...

Bobby Jo

... awareness, reasoning, prudence, -- they're of GOD. But not every mosquito bite is MALARIA; not every lead bullet is WAR; and not every fear is RATIONAL.

We DO have a GOD who will see us through the events which face us and challenge us, if we do our part and WORK responsibly to care for ourselves and others. But to FEAR every shadow in life is NOT LIVING. It's FEARING, and FEAR is NOT OF GOD, -- FAITH is OF GOD!

Bobby Jo

 

[bbyrd009]

Are Christians now going to be seen as threats to the nation?

"Not in YOUR case. In YOUR case it's simple disobedience. You can read, you can understand, and you can reason, -- you simply choose not to. But that OK because Scripture (Luke 22:35-36) has warned you, so be happy with your decision. And Good Luck."


any questions, BG?

 

[amadeus]

Not in YOUR case. In YOUR case it's simple disobedience. You can read, you can understand, and you can reason, -- you simply choose not to. But that OK because Scripture (Luke 22:35-36) has warned you, so be happy with your decision. And Good Luck.

Bobby Jo

Do you ever address the specific points or questions or verses that others put to you? Do you ever consider that following your own logic might cause you to miss the lead of the Holy Spirit to what God wants you to see? Have you ever considered that your needle might be unnecessarily stuck?

 

[quietthinker]

#1. OBEY GOD.
#2. FIND OUT WHY/HOW/WHEN/WHERE/WITH-WHOM.​

But if you don't like obedience, -- then don't worry. I'm quite confident that your way will work out better than GOD's way ...
Bobby Jo

I ask the questions in all seriousness.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Yeah, it is impossible to know with great detail how things will unfold exactly. It is interesting to me that you said Scriptures of peace. Before coming in here I felt the Lord said something about this to me in regard to you. I was going to suggest that maybe you at least maintain a 1:1 ratio. For every 30 minutes reading the headlines and the websites, spend that much in comforting Scriptures. I need to do that myself.

For me I am also taking actions to help me survive periods of unrest. Being in hurricane country one just does this. Most everywhere are weather or other issues that might motivate one to do some preps. But even elite billionaires in New Zealand aren't ultimately going to 'escape'. Our only refuge is the Lord. Everything else is an illusion and mirage. For me it always comes down to knowing my ultimate and eventual outcome. Between here and there though are no guarantees.

I pray that your loved ones will see these increasingly bad times and that this may actually become a positive thing in that regard. I know that is such great concern of yours. My family is all gone. (Buncha quitters they are! ;)) I will keep you and yours in my prayers.

These last few years I've had to face overt corruption so that I've seen up close people who appear to be possessed. One incident felt like the Stepford Wives! I've encountered individuals who I suspected were wholly taken over by evil before but not as a group. Michael Snyder had an article about how humanity is breaking down into insanity so something is really about to break I think. I'm usually intuitive and pick up undercurrents before others so I think that accounts for at least part of the cause for my unrest. When you realize that another false flag or a nuclear war is planned only a mad or severely distracted individual would be at peace knowing of the human suffering ahead (although to the uninitiated: if you haven't suffered physically you don't know what's really coming.)

You have to realize that at the same time all this is planned the DEA is trying to cut production of opioids while the CDC severely restricted access to pain relief, erroneously blaming the opioid epidemic on doctors when it's really coming from the wide open border (decision coming from the Vatican I read) so that there will be shortages in hospitals. There are doctors so afraid for their license that they're under-treating post-surgery patients. Really imagine being cut open the length of your body with surgical knives and afterwards given little to no pain relief - this is actually going on in America right now - it's barbaric. Some have had heart attacks/ medical collapse. Those who have never experienced such depravity can go merrily on their way clueless because they don't know all the steps being taken - there are widespread suicides because of it - yet rarely will you read of it in the propagandized news.

I find it comical when people express shock at how the German citizens went along with widespread genocide. We are no different. There was a psychological experiment done by Milgram where he found that average people were able to deliver torture to their fellow human beings IF ordered to do so by someone in "authority." This is going on in America as we speak. Sanctioned torture.

Yet I still think that meditation on Scripture has merit although there are times when Scripture doesn't work no matter how many times a pastor on TV says it does. (Imagine the Christians being burned at the stake calmly quoting Psalms. If we're honest I think it's more likely people would be quoting words they'd heard used in the army or at truck stops - unless some supernatural grace was given.)

You're actually in a better place having your family all gone. These are not good times we're facing if you're a realist. Everything has gone up: food, clothing, insurance - everything but salaries. And corruption is very widespread and there is WW3 on the horizon. Thank you for your kind prayers!

 

[Soverign Grace]

... awareness, reasoning, prudence, -- they're of GOD. But not every mosquito bite is MALARIA; not every lead bullet is WAR; and not every fear is RATIONAL.

We DO have a GOD who will see us through the events which face us and challenge us, if we do our part and WORK responsibly to care for ourselves and others. But to FEAR every shadow in life is NOT LIVING. It's FEARING, and FEAR is NOT OF GOD, -- FAITH is OF GOD!

Bobby Jo

Sometimes Christians try to 'superspiritualize' and we sometimes make ourselves out to be more noble than we actually are. Even Christ "sweat great drops of blood" when He knew the suffering that was about to come. Peter was so afraid after seeing Christ taken away that he denied Christ three times. Probably 80% of the "Christians" preaching eloquent prayers set to the tune of some melodramatic gospel music playing in the background will deny Christ when the hard times come.

In John 13:21 we read that even Christ was "troubled in His Spirit":

"When Jesus had said these things, He was troubled in spirit, and testified and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, one of you will betray Me.”

If God truly wants "truth in our inmost beings" maybe He wants us to admit the truth when we look at the facts squarely instead of pretending to have virtues that we truly don't have - that apparently not even He or the disciples had at times.

 

[shnarkle]

I know we differ in beliefs about Trump but I urge you to follow Activist Post, Chuck Baldwin, The Free Thought Project, Henry Makow, and The Rutherford Institute for a month. You'll see that a surveillance system / police state rivaling Nazi Germany has already been implemented and Trump is furthering it.
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I would only add to your list: The Daily Bell, and LewRockwell.com

 

[shnarkle]

I've watched the police state become increasingly implemented towards a replica of Communist China. What concerns me is that many Christians are so enamored of Donald Trump that they're missing the fact that he's continuing all the same policies of his predecessors and greatly expanding a police state that rivals Nazi Germany. What happened to the warnings in Scripture that Satan appears as an angel of light?

I began reading reports that those who believe in Armageddon/ the End times are thought of as possible right wing dangers. Here is one such article I read this morning:

Political Theater: Trump vs. The Left & The Unnoticed Approach Of The Police State » Sons of Liberty Media

Have you or anyone else noticed colored dots on your mailboxes yet? They're part of a new government "threat assessment" program. Green means you're not a threat, yellow means to approach with caution, and red means you're a terrorist threat. My neighborhood has a few red dots on some of the mailboxes, and these people are anything but a threat. The company that they're working with compiles personal information from the government as well as social media to come up with a score to determine which color coded dot you fit into.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Have you or anyone else noticed colored dots on your mailboxes yet? They're part of a new government "threat assessment" program. Green means you're not a threat, yellow means to approach with caution, and red means you're a terrorist threat. My neighborhood has a few red dots on some of the mailboxes, and these people are anything but a threat. The company that they're working with compiles personal information from the government as well as social media to come up with a score to determine which color coded dot you fit into.

I hadn't heard of this. Can you post a pic of someone's mailbox (without any personal info on it)?

Could it be part of Barr's pre-crime unit that's in the works?

AG Bill Barr Quietly Reveals Plan to Establish Federal Pre-Crime Unit


In an unannounced memorandum, U.S. Attorney General William Barr informed all U.S. attorneys that he’s established a “national disruption and early engagement program” that will identify mass shooters before they commit a crime.

Promising to “identify, assess, and engage potential mass shooters before they strike,” Barr committed the “full attention of the U.S. government” to “preventing these types of attacks.”

This program is nothing more or less than a pre-crime unit, tasked with scouring the data collected by the many federal agencies that keep every American under constant surveillance.

Barr promises his underlings that together they will work “shoulder to shoulder” to “disrupt individuals who are mobilizing toward violence.”

Source: AG Bill Barr Quietly Reveals Plan to Establish Federal Pre-Crime Unit
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[Philip James]

Not in YOUR case. In YOUR case it's simple disobedience

Hello Bobby,

Perhaps you might be careful how you judge others... Is your obedience perfect in all things? 'by the measure you measure...'

Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

Peace be with you!

 

[shnarkle]

"When Jesus had said these things, He was troubled in spirit, and testified and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, one of you will betray Me.”

If God truly wants "truth in our inmost beings" maybe He wants us to admit the truth when we look at the facts squarely instead of pretending to have virtues that we truly don't have - that apparently not even He or the disciples had at times.

I'm curious as to why you conclude the fact that Christ was troubled in spirit to suggest a lack of virtue. The father can't be troubled in virtue, but the son comes into the world in the likeness of sinful flesh. This necessarily "troubles the waters". Coming into direct contact with pure evil is going to have that effect. It has to have that effect otherwise, the spirit would have to accept, compliment, and cooperate with the evil inclination. That would be a complete loss of virtue. The fact that he doesn't waver shows that there is no lack of virtue.

This is what really goes to the heart of the issue. We see evil advancing everywhere, but the problem isn't that we're troubled with the evil around us, the problem is that we don't see the evil within us. We don't see that we're part of the problem. We're functioning within an evil system rather than getting out of it altogether. There's nothing we can do about that spec in the eye of this evil system because we haven't done anything to remove the beam in our own eye.

Anyone familiar with God's law can prophecy what's going to happen because when people ignore God's law, nothing good comes from it. To then not only ignore God's law, but to justify it, and then sit back and lament the fact that this is having a bad effect over us, only spotlights how far we have fallen from God's standard. We are faithless. We support this evil system by living with it. We have placed our faith in it, and now we will pay the price for abandoning our faith in God.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Do you ever address the specific points or questions or verses that others put to you? ...

Yep, if they're on topic. But if they're just distractions/diversions/ramblings, then I don't answer you. :)

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

Who are you to pass judgment on someone else's servant? Before his own master he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

It's a simple process to weigh a good decision versus a bad decision. All it takes is for someone to say THEY WON'T FOLLOW SCRIPTURE. There are PLENTY of example of people destroying their lives through lying, stealing, adultery, murder, etc., -- and these are specifically warned against in SCRIPTURE. So when Luke 22:35-36 give us guidance and we refuse to receive it, then it's actually not ME who judges, but SCRIPTURE which judges.

Are we not adjured to obey GOD's Word? And isn't it for our BENEFIT?!?
Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

... when we look at the facts squarely ...

Sometimes people's "facts" are mirages/delusions. REALITY may require something as simple as water, or more difficult like medication.

Bobby Jo

 

[Blueberry]

I've encountered individuals who I suspected were wholly taken over by evil before but not as a group

I've encountered this sort of thing too. Its like zombies. I think this is a manifestation of the Deception that is already with us. The deadness I see in people's eyes nowadays. Really spooky. Good thing we know the ultimate outcome!

When you realize that another false flag or a nuclear war is planned only a mad or severely distracted individual would be at peace knowing of the human suffering ahead...

Well, whatever men plan, it will not come to pass unless the Lord permits it. What seems to come through Men is usually God enacting His will. Whatever the appearance

I can wholly agree that unless we are snatched away then there is some serious pain and suffering coming to all of us. More so to the unprepared.

The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty.
Proverbs 27:12

the DEA is trying to cut production of opioids while the CDC severely restricted access to pain relief

I can't speak much to this, but have heard from some guy I know that CBD is really helping with his pain. Perhaps there is some relief there? I have no experience with it personally. Of course, prayer. There may be something to the Communion recently being touted as helpful in healings?

I find it comical when people express shock at how the German citizens went along with widespread genocide. We are no different.

We are experiencing a lot of 'group think' in our society. Rather than adhering to God's unchanging standards. Such as the sudden inroads of transvestites providing reading time for elementary students. Straight up propaganda and indoctrination. As pointed out in the most recent John Haller prophecy update, near here in Willis, one came in to teaching little boys how to apply makeup. Its nauseating, but it is all to be expected according to prophecy. This is what I mean when I say individuals, national entities or so forth do not really matter. We knew perversion was coming, but I can't say I saw this inroad into schools. The sudden and complete acceptance. If THIS isn't The Deception, what will THAT be like?? Sadly, all we should expect is simply more and more of this sort of thing. So don't be dismayed when you see it. It is just more of God's prophecies begin fulfilled. Our confidence is not misplaced.

When it is written that no flesh would survive unless this time was shortened, what is THAT supposed to be like. Holiday? WE really haven't seen anything yet in a manner of speaking. Not to minimize anyone's individual suffering or loss.

People following a charismatic leader. Hitler was an antichrist 'type'. What we saw there was a preview of what is likely to occur on a global scale. While Germany was technically 'Christian', it had become a secular 'social Christianity' meaningless version like we have become here too in the last couple of generations. We were about the last solidly Christian nation until then. Obama was right when he proclaimed we are (presently and going forward) not a Christian nation. A fact. An expected (well, not surprising anyway) state of affairs in an apostate world.

Everything continues to go according to Plan.

Yet I still think that meditation on Scripture has merit although there are times when Scripture doesn't work no matter how many times a pastor on TV says it does.

Scripture has never worked for us to bend God according to our will. Absolutely mediating in a biblical type of way on Scripture is very profitable. When I compared prophecy and the news headlines (even the fake ones as THAT too is yet another evidence of where we are!) then I am actually comforted. Though as you say, people should be realistic about what is coming. There are bad times coming.

I liken it to Germany in the 1930s come to think of it. I think of the Jews. But not Jews living in Germany, German Jews. This was there home. They lived there and they died there. They made businesses, got educated, got married, made and raised families over generations. That was their country, their home and they loved it.

So now the signs of the times are occurring in the mid-1930s. Some stay and do nothing while some leave. Why?

Some no doubt believed that God would protect them if they stayed. Probably on the verge of living their best life then? Others felt God was warning them. Who was showing more faith?

Well, in retrospect, its quite easy to make that determination. And I am laying all this out just using the Hitler raised to antichrist proportions without mention any single current event or any other concern of the moment. This IS what we should expect. How we get there specifically is largely unimportant IMO. We may differ on this?

So I wonder if many who stayed back then actually were urged to leave? Its a lot of trouble. A potentially complete disruption to one's way of life, comfort and perhaps the abandoning of many future plans. Time for a new Bucket List?? Leaving in that scenario likely meant abandoning their known life in this world! No small sacrifice or effort. Everybody wants to go to Heaven, but nobody wants to die. Black Oak Arkansas

In this current absorbed world people simply cannot be bothered. Too many things to read about. This is Life??

I do not think we are guaranteed safe passage necessarily through this troubles in THIS world. Revelation shows a large number of Tribulation saints beheaded for their testimony. Many people are going to die. Possibly many righteous (in Christ) people too?

We can't stop these things from coming to pass and I cannot understand why we would want to try to thwart what God has proclaimed that He is going to do?? To me, that's rebellion. Pray that we may be considered worthy to miss the worst suffering. What that means exactly I cannot say? Rapture? Some sort of 'personal Petra'? Maybe a quicker and less painful physical death? Less torment. More peace.

You're actually in a better place having your family all gone.

Yes, this is true. I would be burdened for them otherwise. This also facilitates my ability to make the changes that I am currently enacting. Giving my negative view of the next 11 months and what I am watching on TV as I type, it might be worth considering how things might go if some people cannot accept the results of the next presidential election. Either result has a potentially worrisome result society-wise, financially, etc. All this without any red flag, black swan, green goose events. I hope it doesn't go that way, but its obviously not my call.

God thinks this is prudent action and I agree. :)

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Pray that we may be considered worthy to miss the worst suffering. What that means exactly I cannot say? Rapture? ...

Rev. 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying,

“Come out of her, my people,
lest you take part in her sins,
lest you share in her plagues;​

Scripture seems pretty clear that the cities will pay a price, (just look at the plagues presently being manifest in So. Cal.) but who will heed the call?
Bobby Jo