Christian Denomination Differences

[Nondenom40]

I am happy to say my search is over. I have found the person that is able to find a church whose statement of faith is scriptural and based on doctrine found in the bible. That person is YOU.....Sooooo please do tell. Which Church do YOU go to?

Mary

So youre saying your church isn't, right? On this we agree. Why do you find it so incredulous that a statement of faith is based on scripture?

 

[Nondenom40]

Soooo you admit that today society calls anyone that is not a Catholic a Protestant but you don't want to be called a Protestant????

Do you look on it as being derogatory?

Curious

I don't like the term for the reasons i described. I'm a christian.

 

[Nondenom40]

Hmmmm.....I don't disagree with you that we are all members of His church.

If the Church is the body of believers (your theory) then explain Matthew 18:17....

If the Church is the body of believers how can all 2 billion of us be the pillar and foundation of truth?

If his Church is the pillar and foundation of truth and every church has it's own truth then none are the pillarsEVERYONE can't have the truth when all that truth is different.......your theory needs more work.

Your theory is not based on what is in Scripture. I know you will never see or admit the folly of your beliefs but you should reconsider what you have been taught.

The ekklesia = the body of believers is a theory? What book are you reading again?

 

[Marymog]

I HIGHLY doubt I'm your "kiddo".

Can you not understand that before I answer, it would be helpful for me to understand what your understanding is?

I don't play games.

If this is too hard for you to follow, I understand and will drop.

once you answer my question I will answer yours.

 

[illini1959]

Hmmmm.....I don't disagree with you that we are all members of His church.

If the Church is the body of believers (your theory) then explain Matthew 18:17....

Is this theory.......?

And He is the head of the body, the church....Col 1:18 - You get this, right? He is the head of the body - the church.

Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. 1 Cor 12:27 We (believers) are the body of Christ.

We are the body, ergo, we are the church.

Matthew 18:17 I also say to you that you are Peter, (4074 Petros Πέτρος, Peter --- masculine)

Peter, the man is appropriately referred to as Petros. But Jesus said that the rock he would build his church on was not the masculine "petros" but the feminine "petra." Jesus was not saying that the church will be built upon Peter but upon something else. So what does petra, the feminine noun, refer to?

and upon this rock (4073 petra πέτρᾳ rock ---- feminine)

The feminine "petra" occurs 4 times in the Greek New Testament:

Matt. 16:18, "And I also say to you that you are Peter (petros), and upon this rock (petra) I will build My church; and the gates of Hades shall not overpower it."

Matt. 27:60, "and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock (petra); and he rolled a large stone against the entrance of the tomb and went away."

1 Cor. 10:4, "and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock (petras) which followed them; and the rock (petra) was Christ."

1 Pet. 2:8, speaking of Jesus says that he is "A stone of stumbling and a rock (petra) of offense"; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed."

We can clearly see that in the three other uses of the Greek word petra it refers to a large immovable mass of rock in which a tomb is carved out (Matt. 27:60) and in reference to Christ (1 Cor. 10:4; 1 Pet. 2:8).

In the last verse Peter referred to petra as being Jesus, if Peter uses the word as a reference to Jesus, why don't you?

I will build My church; (1577 ekklēsian ἐκκλησίαν,church) the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth; collectively, all who worship and honor God and Christ in whatever place they may be: Matt 16:18

There are many other verses showing Christ as the Foundation on which the church is built.

If the Church is the body of believers how can all 2 billion of us be the pillar and foundation of truth?

The gates of hell will never prevail against the church Christ established or His gospel. We are way more than 2 billion.

If his Church is the pillar and foundation of truth and every church has it's own truth then none are the pillarsEVERYONE can't have the truth when all that truth is different.......your theory needs more work.

You're thinking in terms of denomination. True believers who follow Christ and His word believe the same thing. I have brothers and sisters in Christ everywhere and we all follow the same exact beliefs. They come straight from scripture - no Wesley, Smyth, Luther or ecfs - unless they align with the bible.

Your theory is not based on what is in Scripture. I know you will never see or admit the folly of your beliefs but you should reconsider what you have been taught.

A. It's not a theory

B. I've followed Christ most of my life, 50 years out of 60. I've attended local churches of different denominations but their doctrine was exactly the same - all out of scripture. It's not the 'denomination' it's what they teach, preach, stand on. Scripture.

C. You should pray about what you've been taught and seek God's Truth. Don't believe me or anyone. Pray about it.

 

[Marymog]

The ekklesia = the body of believers is a theory? What book are you reading again?

The ekklesia = the body of believers is a theory? What book are you reading again?

Are you going to at least TRY and answer the question and support your theory?

 

[Marymog]

The ekklesia = the body of believers is a theory? What book are you reading again?

Who is the leader of that ekklesia?

You? All the members? Majority rules?

 

[illini1959]

once you answer my question I will answer yours.

You sound like every other catholic I've tried to have a discussion with.

I explained my purpose, several times.

Since you can't answer and clearly don't want a reasonable dialogue I'll say see ya.

 

[Marymog]

So youre saying your church isn't, right? On this we agree. Why do you find it so incredulous that a statement of faith is based on scripture?

Lol......clearly I am saying you are not right.

 

[illini1959]

Are you going to at least TRY and answer the question and support your theory?

Because you do that so well....

 

[Marymog]

You sound like every other catholic I've tried to have a discussion with.

I explained my purpose, several times.

Since you can't answer and clearly don't want a reasonable dialogue I'll say see ya.

Oh boy....someone can't answer a simple question about what you believe.....1 Peter 3:15

 

[Marymog]

Because you do that so well....

I asked first kiddo......sooooo common courtesy is for you to answer first......ball in your court

 

[illini1959]

Oh boy....someone can't answer a simple question about what you believe.....1 Peter 3:15

Mary I've answered questions all over the place. In depth.

YOU are the one who can't explain what you think blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.

So we agree to let it go. Pretend you're Elsa.

 

[Nondenom40]

Who is the leader of that ekklesia?

You? All the members? Majority rules?

Jesus is head as has been posted. Of course Eph says we have been given apostles, prophets, pastors/teachers....to build up the body of Christ and edify the saints. Notice nowhere does Paul mention popes, cardinals or your 'infallible magesterium'? Along with pastors we also have; deacons, elders and overseers. Answer your question?

 

[Nondenom40]

Are you going to at least TRY and answer the question and support your theory?

Since you seem to like dictionaries, look up ekklesia in a lexicon. Give us the definition. There is no theory behind ekklesia = believers.

 

[Nondenom40]

Lol......clearly I am saying you are not right.

Youre clearly saying you haven't found it yet, until illini. And she doesn't attend the rcc.

I am happy to say my search is over. I have found the person that is able to find a church whose statement of faith is scriptural and based on doctrine found in the bible. That person is YOU.....Sooooo please do tell. Which Church do YOU go to?

Why is your search over if your church currently had what you just found? Clearly it doesn't. And on that i'd agree. There are numerous false, manmade contradictory doctrines and dogmas in the rcc. Keep searching mary. Knock and it will be opened.

 

[John Caldwell]

With all of the differing Christian denominations, categorized into 2-4 branches of Christianity, most/all having differences with the others, and claiming to be right (or, "more right") than the others, will Jesus Christ not accept those who believe in Him and are saved by Him, The Messiah, if one is in "the other" denominations/branches that are "wrong" (or "more wrong")?

Will Jesus Christ reject us if we aren't in the "right" denomination (whatever that means)? Will Jesus say to those in one denomination or another, "Depart from me I never knew you." (Matthew 7:23 "And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'")?

We are all imperfect, thus, wrong, at least a little, some more than others, according to Jesus Christ, the perfect one. He and His Father can claim they are not wrong, and are perfect. This obviously is why Jesus was sent to us as a sacrifice for our sins, because we are all at least a little, wrong.

So how far "departed", or how much wrong, is too much?

To me, it's my belief, that since Jesus was sent to us sinners, we are all wrong. He knows this, in some ways or others, that none of us are perfect. If we are to be held to the standard of how "perfect" we are, He wouldn't need to have saved us, because none would qualify. Jesus doesn't want us to go to Hell, His Father desires no one should perish (2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.").

Of course I don't know definitevly, none of us do, only Jesus does, so this is all just for discussion.

To me, my view of Jesus is that if there is belief in Him, wholeheartedly, and you are saved by His sacrifice for your sins, denominational differences do not matter to Him (at least during this time period). He is a teacher, He is The Teacher. My view of Him is that He'd rather have us with Him, and then teach us what was right/wrong here on earth during this time, so we can then live righteously with Him in His Kingdom. Therefore denominations and their doctrines don't matter ultimately now, and will be a non-issue in His future Kingdom here on Earth.

Thoughts?

Just a funny side, the non-denomination group is a denomination ;)

And sorry in advance for the length. It's a good topic, I think.

My thoughts are along the lines that Jesus is the Way - not churches, denominations, or our understanding. Christians should be about the work of the Kingdon rather than judging servants of Another.

I think denominations are necessary because of the human fallacy. We are finite beings trying to understand an infinite God. This can only be done to the extent God has revealed Himself to us and this fullest revelation is in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ. So we separate in order to understand as best we can. But we should still be united in Christ.

 

[Nancy]

It's a simple question based on Scripture.

Will a person go to hell if they blaspheme against the Holy Ghost and refuse to repent?

Patient Mary

Hi Mary,
How can one repent of the unforgivable sin?

 

[Nondenom40]

Hi Mary,
How can one repent of the unforgivable sin?

We were trying to get her to admit something along those lines. I think she doesn't understand what that is.

 

[Nancy]

We were trying to get her to admit something along those lines. I think she doesn't understand what that is.

Quite possible