The Church The Papacy Says You Should Join

[BreadOfLife]

There you go again, denying reality. I already posted the quotes with citations in an earlier post and you know full well, so you are guilty of LYING to the community - papists are absolutely superb liars, so it's no surprise. But, no matter, Dead Bread, because ANYONE who wants proof that Hitler's SS modeled itself after the Jesuits can find in less than a minute if they want to, regardless of your weak attempts to hide what anyone who bothers to check it out already knows.
Dead Bread, your continued denial of papal doctrine is disgusting. If the papal statements we provide you are truly "unofficial" as you claim and instead are "poetic" and "opinion", then why does your church tolerate all this "heresy"? Could not the pope immediately end this epidemic of "heretical writings" by "misguided clergy" by threatening with immediate excommunication anyone who preaches heresy? BECAUSE IT AIN'T HERESY, YOU SILLY IGNORANT PAPIST! It's tolerated because it's what the papacy stands for!

"Of course the change (from Sabbath to Sunday) was her act ..... and the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters." (signed by H.F.Thomas, Chancellor for Cardinal Gibbons, in a letter dated Nov. 11, 1895)

"Sunday is our MARK of authority ... the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." (Catholic record of London, Ontario, Sept. 1, 1923)
Once again, you papists demonstrate your excellent ability to ignore Scripture which exposes your lies and twist Scripture to support the same. These verses apply to the church's administrative authority, not authority over God's Word or God Himself, as claimed by the papal Antichrist you serve! Authority over the affairs of the people, administration, discipline of backsliders, etc., but NOT over what God has firmly established as the final authority over His church. Isaiah exposes your entire organization as fraudulent, because "they speak not according to this Word" (The Word of God, not the word of your pedophile pope) which proves "there is no light in them".

"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ. The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." (Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary)

Got that, Dead Bread? Get your copy of this dictionary and look for the papal Impramatur stamped on it which indicates "no heresy up in here" and see for yourself how pathetically foolish it is to place undying faith in an organization which thinks they have a right to operate above the Word of God...and behind little boys.

And there you go again making FALSE accusations and citing spurious and secondary sources and online rumors.
You don't even know how to debate. It's like debating with a 2-year-old. - and not a very bright one, at that.

- Cite PRIMARY sources for your claims.
- Don't just give the name of a newspaper - give the name of the PERSON being quoted.
- Cite Catholic Doctrine (i.e., the Catechism) when trying to debunk Catholic teaching.

Finally - look in your OWN SDA back yard before you go pointing fingers at others about molesting children.
This garbage is going on in YOUR sect as well . . .

https://dumaslawgroup.com/finding-justice-for-victims-of-sexual-abuse-in-the-seventh-day-adventist-church/
Like other religious organizations and institutions of trust, the Seventh-day Adventist Church has a long and disappointing history of child sex abuse . . .

https://atoday.org/abuse-is-a-challenge-for-the-adventist-church-new-campaign-is-launched-to-counter-it/
Although the number of cases has not reached the crisis level that it has in some denominations, the Seventh-day Adventist Church does face an incidence of abuse suffered by its children and teens sufficient to result in the launch of a new, world-wide campaign . . .

https://www.crewjanci.com/sda-abuse/
The Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) Church . . . SDA pastors, elders, teachers, and Pathfinder leaders have taken advantage of children within the Church’s care, violating their positions of trust and authority in order to exploit vulnerable parishioners who look to the Church for protection and support.


Your hypocrisy is disgusting . . .

 

[quietthinker]

And I love it when ignorant anti-Catholics accuse Catholics of things without providing any proof.

Show me where Scripture supports Sola Scriptura.
Chapter and Verse, please . . .

I'm sorry BoL.....if you were interested in proof you wouldn't be leaning on that broken crutch that has spikes where your armpit sits and oil on the stopper.

 

[GodsGrace]

Because the day upon which we worship identifies us with either the Creator or the god of this world. The Beast is the papacy and the Mark of the Beast is Sunday sacredness:

"Sunday is our Mark of authority. The church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact."

The prophecies are clear that the final issue is about WORSHIP and when laws are passed forcing us to worship, it is then that the Christian will have to choose between obedience to God's law or satanic papal law.

In the apocalyptic Psalm 94 which describes Earth's condition just before the Second Coming, we read "shall the throne of iniquity (lawlessness) have fellowship with Thee; he (the one who sits on that throne) that frameth mischief by a LAW?"

In the third of Revelation's Three Angels Messages, those who take the Mark of the Beast are CONTRASTED with those who do not by the words, "Here is the patience of the saints. Here are they who KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD and have the faith of Jesus." It stands to reason that if those who DO NOT get the Mark of the Beast are obeying God's law...those who take the Mark are BREAKING God's law.

A satanic religious law caused Daniel to be thrown to the lions.
A satanic religious law caused the Three Hebrew Worthies to be thrown into the fiery furnace.
A satanic religious law caused Esther and Israel at large to be threatened with extermination.

And in the last days, the ONE AND ONLY OF GOD'S TEN COMMANDMENTS which begins with the word "Remember" Satan has led everyone to believe it is the one that we are at liberty to forget. Make no mistake, Sunday's coming!

I don't believe the CC created Sunday worship.
I do believe it was present already from the time of the Apostles.
Didn't they meet on the first day of the week?
That would be Sunday.

I can't remember right now, but I do believe the CC just carried on the custom.

I can't believe the CC said such a dumb thing,,,but you posted it so I guess it might be true.

Wonder if @BreadOfLife or @Marymog had anything to say about that statement?
In any case, I don't hear the CC saying this these days.

I do have a problem with Sunday worship in a way because keeping Holy the Sabbath IS one of the 10 commandments and I believe the commandments should never change. I just don't know.

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm sorry BoL.....if you were interested in proof you wouldn't be leaning on that broken crutch that has spikes where your armpit sits and oil on the stopper.

LOL
You shoulda been a poet!

 

[GodsGrace]

And there you go again making FALSE accusations and citing spurious and secondary sources and online rumors.
You don't even know how to debate. It's like debating with a 2-year-old. - and not a very bright one, at that.

- Cite PRIMARY sources for your claims.
- Don't just give the name of a newspaper - give the name of the PERSON being quoted.
- Cite Catholic Doctrine (i.e., the Catechism) when trying to debunk Catholic teaching.

Finally - look in your OWN SDA back yard before you go pointing fingers at others about molesting children.
This garbage is going on in YOUR sect as well . . .

https://dumaslawgroup.com/finding-justice-for-victims-of-sexual-abuse-in-the-seventh-day-adventist-church/
Like other religious organizations and institutions of trust, the Seventh-day Adventist Church has a long and disappointing history of child sex abuse . . .

https://atoday.org/abuse-is-a-challenge-for-the-adventist-church-new-campaign-is-launched-to-counter-it/
Although the number of cases has not reached the crisis level that it has in some denominations, the Seventh-day Adventist Church does face an incidence of abuse suffered by its children and teens sufficient to result in the launch of a new, world-wide campaign . . .

https://www.crewjanci.com/sda-abuse/
The Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) Church . . . SDA pastors, elders, teachers, and Pathfinder leaders have taken advantage of children within the Church’s care, violating their positions of trust and authority in order to exploit vulnerable parishioners who look to the Church for protection and support.


Your hypocrisy is disgusting . . .

I see you DID reply to @Phoneman777 ...
I'd like to see the source too...the source should always be given.
It's difficult to believe the CC ever made such a statement....

 

[Phoneman777]

Show me where Scripture supports Sola Scriptura.
Chapter and Verse, please . . .

Papist Dead Bread, I'm happy to break it down for you:

"To the Law and to the Testimony..." (this phraseology is a common reference to "the Word of God". Moses wrote the "Law" and the prophets wrote the rest. Other similar references to the "Word of God" are "Moses and Elijah", "Moses and the Prophets", "the Law and the Prophets", etc.)

"...if they speak not according to this word..." (meaning, according to the Word of God.)

"...it is because there is no light in them."

Understand, papist? The papacy consistently speaks contrary to the Word of God, thus proving there is NO LIGHT in it.

 

[Phoneman777]

This speaks to the importance of Scripture and that it is PROFITABLE.
NOWHERE does it say that it is our SOLE Authority.

Try again . . .

You papists point to Scripture for "proof" that the catholic church - not Scripture - is the final authority, but you're too ignorant to realize that the source of one's authority is by nature and by default superior to whatever authority is derived from it!

 

[Soverign Grace]

There are only two choices for the Christian: the one choice is to believe as this wonderful statement from the Review and Herald, Dec. 15, 1885, testifies about the relevancy and role of Scripture:

"The Bible, and the Bible alone, is to be our creed, the sole bond of union; all who bow to this Holy Word will be in harmony. Our own views and ideas must not control our efforts. Man is fallible, but God's Word is infallible...Let us meet all opposition as did our Master, saying, "It is written." Let us lift up the banner on which is inscribed, The Bible our rule of faith and discipline". ​

The other choice is to follow the philosophy of the papacy:

"Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the church ever did, happened in the first (actually, it was the third) century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed to Sunday...not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the church's sense of it's own divine power...People who think the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become Seventh-day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." -- St. Catherine Catholic Church Sentinel, May 21, 1995
​

A warm thank-you to the papacy for their endorsement :)

I never heard of this until I came on here - I had always assumed that Sunday was the Lord's day. I know that God used "Steps to Christ" a Seventh-day Adventist booklet someone had left at a store to show me that I had been spiritually reborn (I didn't know what had happened to me until I read that booklet) But I don't see why the day is so significant. I know that God commanded man to rest on the seventh day but I don't understand why the Papacy wanted to change it.

 

[Phoneman777]

I never heard of this until I came on here - I had always assumed that Sunday was the Lord's day. I know that God used "Steps to Christ" a Seventh-day Adventist booklet someone had left at a store to show me that I had been spiritually reborn (I didn't know what had happened to me until I read that booklet) But I don't see why the day is so significant. I know that God commanded man to rest on the seventh day but I don't understand why the Papacy wanted to change it.

There were only two things to come out of the garden of Eden: marriage and the Sabbath. Satan hates both because both demonstrate the two most important things about God:

1) His desire for a covenant relationship with us as depicted by the marriage covenant
2) His desire for us to know Him as the Creator which by default makes Him deserving of our love and worship

Therefore, Satan has since time immemorial worked above all else to destroy both institutions by leading men to relegate women to second class citizenship to to be exploited and abused...and by leading men to venerate the creation instead of the Creator, which paramount achievement was the veneration of the Sun as god.

The reason today for why there are both people who worship millions of gods and those who deny His existence altogether is that early on mankind ceased to "remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" - because how could anyone get confused at all about God if once a week, we're all bowing down remembering that God? The final message to Earth before the Second Coming in Revelation 14:6-12 is a call from God back to worshiping Him as defined in the Fourth commandment...and this commandment will be the pivotal issue in the near future. Are we going to keep God's commandments or the "commandmtns of men" as taught by the papal Antichrist?

 

[Enoch111]

I never heard of this until I came on here - I had always assumed that Sunday was the Lord's day.

Sunday is indeed the Lord's Day, but since SDAs were compelled to reject it in favor of the 7th day Sabbath, they created their own fantasy about the Papacy as Antichrist and the Mark of the Beast as Sunday worship. That truly messed up the proper interpretation of Bible prophecy.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Sunday is indeed the Lord's Day, but since SDAs were compelled to reject it in favor of the 7th day Sabbath, they created their own fantasy about the Papacy as Antichrist and the Mark of the Beast as Sunday worship. That truly messed up the proper interpretation of Bible prophecy.

I'm still in the early stages of understand Revelations but I do believe that the Papacy is evil. I recall reading that the illuminati wanted to infiltrate the Papacy and one can see that they have.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

There are only two choices for the Christian: the one choice is to believe as this wonderful statement from the Review and Herald, Dec. 15, 1885, testifies about the relevancy and role of Scripture:

"The Bible, and the Bible alone, is to be our creed, the sole bond of union; all who bow to this Holy Word will be in harmony. Our own views and ideas must not control our efforts. Man is fallible, but God's Word is infallible...Let us meet all opposition as did our Master, saying, "It is written." Let us lift up the banner on which is inscribed, The Bible our rule of faith and discipline". ​

The other choice is to follow the philosophy of the papacy:

"Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the church ever did, happened in the first (actually, it was the third) century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed to Sunday...not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the church's sense of it's own divine power...People who think the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become Seventh-day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." -- St. Catherine Catholic Church Sentinel, May 21, 1995
​

A warm thank-you to the papacy for their endorsement :)

That doesn't make any sense. I've never met a Christian who was actually sola scriptura. Instead they:
- Hold in their hands a collection of books (ranging from 66-81 books therein) which was defined by tradition.
- The invite divine persons to aide in their reading of that collection, and guiding them throughout their everyday lives.
- They include studies of historical and cultural context in studying that collection of books.
- They gather with other Christians and preach between each other, adding in their understanding of the book collection and divinity.

And those are all good things! But clearly it doesn't remotely result in everybody being Catholic :)

 

[BreadOfLife]

I'm sorry BoL.....if you were interested in proof you wouldn't be leaning on that broken crutch that has spikes where your armpit sits and oil on the stopper.

TRANSLATION:
"I don't have ANY Scriptural proof for my claims."

That's what I thought . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL
You shoulda been a poet!

No - @quietthinker should have been truthful.
Evidence - not poetry in a debate . . .

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I never heard of this until I came on here - I had always assumed that Sunday was the Lord's day. I know that God used "Steps to Christ" a Seventh-day Adventist booklet someone had left at a store to show me that I had been spiritually reborn (I didn't know what had happened to me until I read that booklet) But I don't see why the day is so significant. I know that God commanded man to rest on the seventh day but I don't understand why the Papacy wanted to change it.

All Christians agree that it's important to honor God in the Sabbath and have a day of rest.

Originally this was done on what we now call Saturday. After Christ's resurrection was on Sunday, culturally majority of Christian moved their day of honoring God and rest (aka their Sabbath day) to Sunday, and still honor Him every 7 days. The focus was on the spirit and remembering to honor the Lord. All of this was done before the pre-Orthodox/Catholic Church came really to organized.

The Christian denomination, Seventh Day Adventists, have a tenet of their beliefs that this day should still correlate to Saturday. Some SDA folks are quite adament about this / hostile to others. Such is their beliefs / practices.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Papist Dead Bread, I'm happy to break it down for you:

"To the Law and to the Testimony..." (this phraseology is a common reference to "the Word of God". Moses wrote the "Law" and the prophets wrote the rest. Other similar references to the "Word of God" are "Moses and Elijah", "Moses and the Prophets", "the Law and the Prophets", etc.)

"...if they speak not according to this word..." (meaning, according to the Word of God.)

"...it is because there is no light in them."

Understand, papist? The papacy consistently speaks contrary to the Word of God, thus proving there is NO LIGHT in it.

One big problem for you, Phoney - the Jews NEVER promoted Sola Scriptura.
They understood that the Word of God was revealed ORALLY and in the written form.

Here are a few examples of this ORAL Tradition . . .
Matt. 2:23 - the prophecy "He shall be a Nazarene" is ORAL TRADITION. It is not found in the Old Testament. This demonstrates that the apostles relied upon oral tradition and taught by oral tradition.

Matt 23:2 - Jesus relies on the ORAL TRADITION of acknowledging Moses' seat of authority (which passed from Moses to Joshua to the Sanhedrin). This is not recorded in the Old Testament.

1 Cor. 10:4 - Paul relies on the ORAL TRADITION of the rock following Moses. It is not recorded in the Old Testament. See Exodus 17:1-17 and Num. 20:2-13.

2 Timothy 3:8 - Paul relies on the ORAL TRADITION when speaking of Pharoah’s magicians, Jannes and Jambres. Their names are not recorded in the Old Testament.

Heb. 11:37 - the author of Hebrews relies on the ORAL TRADITION of the martyrs being sawed in two. This is not recorded in the Old Testament.

Jude 9 - Jude relies on the ORAL TRADITION of the Archangel Michael's dispute with satan over Moses' body. This is not found in the Old Testament.

Jude 14-15 - Jude relies on the ORAL TRADITION of Enoch's prophecy which is not recorded in the Old Testament.


Keep studying, sparky - you'll get there, eventually . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I see you DID reply to @Phoneman777 ...
I'd like to see the source too...the source should always be given.
It's difficult to believe the CC ever made such a statement....

Absolutely.

Also, just because one person who is a member of the Church has an opinion - that doesn't mean that this is what the Church teaches.
I'm sure you understand that as well.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You papists point to Scripture for "proof" that the catholic church - not Scripture - is the final authority, but you're too ignorant to realize that the source of one's authority is by nature and by default superior to whatever authority is derived from it!

No - the Authority of the Church if GOD-given, not man made.

Christ Himself transferred this supreme Authority to His Church - that WHATEVER it binds or looses on earth will also be bound and loosed oin Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

If you have a problem with that - take it up with God, not me.
I'm sure Satan has a problem with it, too . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Funny how you cried when the OP jabbed at the RCC but then you turn around and this??? And then you expect us to goose step into our nearest pedophilia ladened RCC. Yes, your so called 'Mother Church is not so squeaky clean either. Admit it.

Nope. Jesus had already set the example by His time, repeatedly saying, "IT IS WRITTEN" or Matthew 5:18 (KJV) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (Joh 16:12-13 KJV)

Those were things the disciples couldn't bare at that time, but were revealed to them after the resurrection, which things we have WRITTEN in the Epistles of theirs.

No he was not lying, that tradition was the teaching of the Prophets and Apostles...not this kind, which Rome espouses...

Mark 7:13 (KJV) Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Yes, God's Word gave commands concerning the Church, thus the Church is to obey Scripture!

The more you anti-Catholics whine about pedophilia - the more you need to be reminded that the problem is FAR WORSE in your own back yards . . .
Evangelical Sex Abuse Record ‘Worse’ Than Catholic, Says Billy Graham’s Grandson
Protestant Churches Grapple With Growing Sexual Abuse Crisis : NPR
Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a ‘Catholic problem’
Child Sex Abuse More Prevalent Among Protestants Than Among Catholics
There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy
Data Shed Light on Child Sexual Abuse by Protestant Clergy

As for Jesus stating, "It is written" - HOW does this "prove" Sola Scriptura?? He was simply showing that Scripture is the written Word of God and is Authoritative - which it IS.

I asked YOU to show me where the Bible lists the Books that belong in it and you failed - proving the fallacy of Sola Scriptura. Here are some examples of ORAL Tradition that was just as binding as Scripture:

Matt. 2:23 - the prophecy "He shall be a Nazarene" is ORAL TRADITION. It is not found in the Old Testament. This demonstrates that the apostles relied upon oral tradition and taught by oral tradition.

Matt 23:2 - Jesus relies on the ORAL TRADITION of acknowledging Moses' seat of authority (which passed from Moses to Joshua to the Sanhedrin). This is not recorded in the Old Testament.

1 Cor. 10:4 - Paul relies on the ORAL TRADITION of the rock following Moses. It is not recorded in the Old Testament. See Exodus 17:1-17 and Num. 20:2-13.

2 Timothy 3:8 - Paul relies on the ORAL TRADITION when speaking of Pharoah’s magicians, Jannes and Jambres. Their names are not recorded in the Old Testament.

Heb. 11:37 - the author of Hebrews relies on the ORAL TRADITION of the martyrs being sawed in two. This is not recorded in the Old Testament.

Jude 9 - Jude relies on the ORAL TRADITION of the Archangel Michael's dispute with satan over Moses' body. This is not found in the Old Testament.

Jude 14-15 - Jude relies on the ORAL TRADITION of Enoch's prophecy which is not recorded in the Old Testament.

Finally - NOT everything was written down, as I have PROVEN to you by asking you to provide the Canon of Scripture - FROM Scripture.
Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to the Thessalonians put Oral Tradition ON PAR with Scripture:

2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, EITHER BY an ORAL STATEMENT - OR BY a letter from us."

He DIDN'T say, "ONLY" a letter . . .

 

[Enoch111]

I'm still in the early stages of understand Revelations but I do believe that the Papacy is evil. I recall reading that the illuminati wanted to infiltrate the Papacy and one can see that they have.

The Papacy is a manifestation of apostate Christianity. But it has nothing to do with the reign of the Antichrist, other than succumb to his rule. Some say that a future pope will be the False Prophet, but that has no solid biblical basis.