Please explain this.

[bbyrd009]

After faith is come.... And that is precisely what this thread is about. What is faith, and is it complete, or alive, without obedience to the law?

Word, and not only that, we know the law is insufficient, right? Ergo we might even be sinning while keeping within the bounds of the law! Iow the law is the minimum standard, and we should be doing better than that even?

 

[bbyrd009]

Except for you. Your old man is completely dead and you have reached perfection before us. You're a special case.

;)

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm not one to judge souls...
But your words show a lack of understanding.

when we testify of ourselves our testimony is invalid, huh

 

[ScottA]

I'm not one to judge souls...
But your words show a lack of understanding.

...I was quoting Jesus.

(Editing out the "fool" part)

 

[bbyrd009]

lol, nuff said right there i guess Scottie. DQed bro, sorry

Paul in Romans speaks of 'the obedience of faith' and 'obedience to the faith'; but it is definitely not a works righteousness that is in view.

i agree, but only bc if one is relying on the insufficient law, they are doomed, yes. If you cant do any better than the law go be a politician or a preacher or something imo

 

[GodsGrace]

I met God too and then believed I was further along than I really was. Its a very common mistake.

Your posts are always in line with the teaching of Jesus.

 

[ScottA]

Except for you. Your old man is completely dead and you have reached perfection before us. You're a special case.

I would not say that I am perfect...but I will speak the words as they were spoken. I am convinced that anyone who is chosen of God is indeed special.

 

[bbyrd009]

Don't the devils also believe in the resurrection? That wasn't what I was alluding to. What promises are we to have faith in and what actions are we to take that reflect that faith in those promises?

ha ok well first we gotta change that pesky ol' faith into believe, right?
narf

 

[GodsGrace]

lol, nuff said right there i guess Scottie. DQed bro, sorry

i agree, but only bc if one is relying on the insufficient law, they are doomed, yes. If you cant do any better than the law go be a politician or a preacher or something imo

This is what jesus meant in Mathew 5:20?
About being more righteous than the pharisees.
Easier to follow a few rules than to trust the heart.

 

[bbyrd009]

I would not say that I am perfect...but I will speak the words as they were spoken. I am convinced that anyone who is chosen of God is indeed special.

if I testify of Myself, My testimony is invalid

 

[bbyrd009]

This is what jesus meant in Mathew 5:20?
About being more righteous than the pharisees.
Easier to follow a few rules than to trust the heart.

Amen, and you better believe that following your heart/doing the right thing is not going to be appreciated by those with a diff agenda right. Be prepared to give a defense and all that, to those who ask why. And while we imagine that these will be strangers, they will not; they will be our enemies, those of our own household
!
at least usually imo

 

[GodsGrace]

You fool...I was quoting Jesus.

No!!

 

[Grailhunter]

You fool...I was quoting Jesus.

You fool! Duly noted!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I would not say that I am perfect...but I will speak the words as they were spoken. I am convinced that anyone who is chosen of God is indeed special.

If your old man has completely died, no pride, no fleshly ambition, then you are walking in Him continuously and are perfect.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

No!!

Yes, we all caught it. Only a very special person (in their own eyes) would call another a fool. Its the very prideful thought of being special that would cause a man to do it.

 

[GodsGrace]

You fool! Duly noted!

Have been receiving some nice insults from both @ScottA
and @Lady Crosstalk ....

I can't imagine why...
I try to stick to scripture but am finding it difficult with them.
Will no longer reply to either one.

 

[Grailhunter]

Have been receiving some nice insults from both @ScottA
and @Lady Crosstalk ....

I can't imagine why...
I try to stick to scripture but am finding it difficult with them.
Will no longer reply to either one.

They say that the truth will set you free....But the Apostle Paul found out the hard way that it will draw criticism and condemnation.

 

[Grailhunter]

Have been receiving some nice insults from both @ScottA
and @Lady Crosstalk ....

I can't imagine why...
I try to stick to scripture but am finding it difficult with them.
Will no longer reply to either one.

You and Lady Crosstalk are two the the more knowledgeable ladies on this form. I pray right now...that you two could come to terms, because I believed it would be a blessing to this forum and serve God all so well.

 

[Mal'ak]

You didn't accept it the first time; but let me remind you that John 6:47 has been referenced.

This is a false doctrine, taken out of context to support your tradition of man.

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

If you took the scripture in context, this continues from my statement from before that faith is just the first step. Verse 47 says faith gives you eternal life, then as you read Jesus explains how faith gives eternal life. Because with faith you have your eyes opened to the truth and able to "eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and drink his blood". Which is referring to living by the Word of God and repenting of your sins.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

 

[justbyfaith]

But God did not bless Abraham because of his faith.

This was not the estimation of Paul...

Gal 3:6, Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7, Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8, And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9, So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

What promises are we to have faith in

The promise found in Romans 4:23-25.

This is what jesus meant in Mathew 5:20?

Matthew 5:20 is to be interpreted by Galatians 2:21 and Philippians 3:9.

Easier to follow a few rules than to trust the heart.

Pro 28:26, He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.