Calvinism is a Cult

[Vince]

Three is not a couple. Evidence and proof are the same.

I didn't choose your option 3.

Stranger

You are ignorant of how a mature discussion takes place between adults.

 

[Vince]

I did clarify my stance. I explained and gave you verses. You however, didn't know what I was talking about and wanted to be schooled on the kingdom. Well, that is why this is 'Christian' apologetics and not atheist apologetics. Christians are familiar with the kingdom. So, no I am not going to teach an atheist about the kingdom in an area he is not supposed to be in in the first place.

The admins allow me to post here. You don't get to make the rules. I know that is difficult for you.

Now, you however said, God said this concerning slavery. So? I agree He said it. What is your point. I don't deny it.

When you answer my question on the Kingdom verses I will explain my position.

Why are you acting stupid now? You said you never said you are done with me and so I showed you that you lie, and that you did say it. Now you act as if you don't know, even though I gave you the proof.

You cannot understand context can you. You told me you would not answer me here in this forum, so I said "we are done then" in response to your statement that you were done with me. But here you are responding to me on trivial issues like this after you said you would not.

 

[Stranger]

The admins allow me to post here. You don't get to make the rules. I know that is difficult for you.

When you answer my question on the Kingdom verses I will explain my position.

You cannot understand context can you. You told me you would not answer me here in this forum, so I said "we are done then" in response to your statement that you were done with me. But here you are responding to me on trivial issues like this after you said you would not.

I can read. Christian apologetics. Not difficult at all.

I have no interest in teaching an atheist about the kingdom. You show your position in backing away from your statement. I understand.

Sorry, go back and read. You said you were done with me due to your frustration. As I said, I have heard that before.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

You are ignorant of how a mature discussion takes place between adults.

So, you're a mature atheist?

Stranger

 

[Vince]

I can read. Christian apologetics. Not difficult at all.

I have no interest in teaching an atheist about the kingdom. You show your position in backing away from your statement. I understand.

Sorry, go back and read. You said you were done with me due to your frustration. As I said, I have heard that before.

Stranger

Ok. Have a great weekend.

 

[Vince]

So, you're a mature atheist?

Stranger

No, I am a mature human being.

 

[Stranger]

No, I am a mature human being.

Isn't that sweet.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Ok. Have a great weekend.

Oh gee...thanks.

Stranger

 

[OzSpen]

I can agree that your interpretation makes sense. Buit they must be saved by Jesus sacrifice or this would be a different gospel. Do you agree with this?

Vince,

Matt Perman has written an interesting article that may answer some of your questions: What Happens to Infants Who Die?

Oz

 

[Vince]

Vince,

Matt Perman has written an interesting article that may answer some of your questions: What Happens to Infants Who Die?

Oz

This is a good explanation for the Calvinist types. This does not seem to resolve anything for the free will types in my opinion.

 

[OzSpen]

This is a good explanation for the Calvinist types. This does not seem to resolve anything for the free will types in my opinion.

Vince,

To whom does the free will type apply? Can a person have an active free will in relation to salvation without an ability to comprehend the message of the Good News?

Oz

 

[Enoch111]

Matt Perman has written an interesting article that may answer some of your questions: What Happens to Infants Who Die?

This is the biblical conclusion (quoting from this article):
"In other words, if a person lacks the natural capacity to see the revelation of God's will or God's glory then that person's sin would not remain-God would not bring the person into final judgment for not believing what he had no natural capacity to see." Which automatically refutes the Calvinist.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

This is the biblical conclusion (quoting from this article):
"In other words, if a person lacks the natural capacity to see the revelation of God's will or God's glory then that person's sin would not remain-God would not bring the person into final judgment for not believing what he had no natural capacity to see." Which automatically refutes the Calvinist.

Yes. If the Blood of Jesus is not efficacious to cover a baby who is not only incapable of believing, but incapable of sin as well, then what hope is there for the rest of us?

 

[Nancy]

Yes. If the Blood of Jesus is not efficacious to cover a baby who is not only incapable of believing, but incapable of sin as well, then what hope is there for the rest of us?

This doctrine strips of hope IMO. Kind of impossible to tell the unsaved that we know and love that God MIGHT love you, we just are not sure if you were chosen . Quite sad really.

 

[Vince]

Vince,

To whom does the free will type apply? Can a person have an active free will in relation to salvation without an ability to comprehend the message of the Good News?

Oz

I would say not.

 

[OzSpen]

I would say not.

Therefore, in God's grace, mercy and compassion would you agree that He has provided children and the mentally disabled with salvation?

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

This doctrine strips of hope IMO. Kind of impossible to tell the unsaved that we know and love that God MIGHT love you, we just are not sure if you were chosen . Quite sad really.

Your avatar is a second commandment violation as well as being profane. Do you consider this a light thing?

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Your avatar is a second commandment violation as well as being profane. Do you consider this a light thing?

The second commandment is clearly speaking of idolatry--I doubt whether Nancy worships her avatar. As for "profane" let's look at the definition:

adjective
characterized by irreverence or contempt for God or sacred principles or things; irreligious.
not devoted to holy or religious purposes; unconsecrated; secular (opposed to sacred).
unholy; heathen; pagan: profane rites.
not initiated into religious rites or mysteries, as persons.
verb (used with object), pro·faned, pro·fan·ing.
to misuse (anything that should be held in reverence or respect); defile; debase; employ basely or unworthily.
to treat (anything sacred) with irreverence or contempt; violate the sanctity of: to profane a shrine.

If you are saying that the image is sacred, then it is you who are breaking the second commandment. If the image is not sacred, how could she be "profaning" it? I admit that I didn't much like it--but I doubt that Nancy meant any harm--just a tiny jest. Perhaps it is in poor taste, considering sensitivities, but to use it as a way to lambaste her is wrong of you.

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

The second commandment is clearly speaking of idolatry--I doubt whether Nancy worships her avatar. As for "profane" let's look at the definition:

adjective
characterized by irreverence or contempt for God or sacred principles or things; irreligious.
not devoted to holy or religious purposes; unconsecrated; secular (opposed to sacred).
unholy; heathen; pagan: profane rites.
not initiated into religious rites or mysteries, as persons.
verb (used with object), pro·faned, pro·fan·ing.
to misuse (anything that should be held in reverence or respect); defile; debase; employ basely or unworthily.
to treat (anything sacred) with irreverence or contempt; violate the sanctity of: to profane a shrine.

If you are saying that the image is sacred, then it is you who are breaking the second commandment. If the image is not sacred, how could she be "profaning" it? I admit that I didn't much like it--but I doubt that Nancy meant any harm--just a tiny jest. Perhaps it is in poor taste, considering sensitivities, but to use it as a way to lambaste her is wrong of you.

To speak about the Lord of Glory with the trite phrase,"back by popular demand" is shameful. If you do not grasp that I cannot help you.
The hippie pictured in the avatar, who is that supposed to be?

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


do not make, do not worship

 

[Nancy]

Your avatar is a second commandment violation as well as being profane. Do you consider this a light thing?

I consider you being pretty legalistic.