Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

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And BE perfect.
It doesn't say that you ARE perfect.

Learn how to properly discern the Word of God.

LOL ~ endless nonsense.

You should have learned God directs with His teaching; and men who accomplish ARE what God has taught for them TO BE.

You should learn what BEING perfect means.

And you should learn YES men were declared Perfect.

Job1:1
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job;
And that man WAS PERFECT and upright...

Gen 6:9
...Noah was a Just mans and PERFECT...

Your worldly opinions and worldly understanding is moot when spiritual things are the topic.

 

[Taken]

At Baptism like every other Christian.

For one who is Always promoting Catholics, you sure are Vague in the Catholics teaching regarding baptism....

No problem, other Catholics I've asked didn't know either.

 

[GodsGrace]

At Baptism like every other Christian.

This is not correct. If it were, every Catholic would be born from above and going to heaven. We know this is not true.

This is the problem with baptising infants due to the problem of imputed original sin which was begun by Augustine.

The Catholic Church also teaches salvation through Christ. A popular verse is Galatians 2:16.
They explain it by saying that at some point in one's adult life, their baptism must be Accepted.
Or, the tenets of Catholicism, which include dogma, must be accepted willingly by the person.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

This is not correct. If it were, every Catholic would be born from above and going to heaven. We know this is not true.

This is the problem with baptising infants due to the problem of imputed original sin which was begun by Augustine.

The Catholic Church also teaches salvation through Christ. A popular verse is Galatians 2:16.
They explain it by saying that at some point in one's adult life, their baptism must be Accepted.
Or, the tenets of Catholicism, which include dogma, must be accepted willingly by the person.

wow, and Breadman didn't know that.
HAH!

 

[bbyrd009]

Uh-huh.
And what if I tell you that the Spirit led ME to believe what I believe about Heaven?

Who is right and who is wrong??

i don't need a right and a wrong, BoL, i don't think you are wrong; i know you are of a different nation, and we should respect boundary stones.

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL ~ endless nonsense.
You should have learned God directs with His teaching; and men who accomplish ARE what God has taught for them TO BE.
You should learn what BEING perfect means.
And you should learn YES men were declared Perfect.
Job1:1
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job;
And that man WAS PERFECT and upright...
Gen 6:9
...Noah was a Just mans and PERFECT...
Your worldly opinions and worldly understanding is moot when spiritual things are the topic.

Noah was perfect??
Noah got drunk and had passed out naked- and YOU call that "perfect"??

You don't have a CLUE what it means to be perfect . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

i don't need a right and a wrong, BoL, i don't think you are wrong; i know you are of a different nation, and we should respect boundary stones.

And this is utter nonsense.

You have repeatedly called my belief "pagan".
How could you NOT see this as wrong??

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Noah was perfect??
Noah got drunk and had passed out naked- and YOU call that "perfect"??

You don't have a CLUE what it means to be perfect . . .

Tell us, what does perfect mean?

 

[Taken]

Noah was perfect??
Noah got drunk and had passed out naked- and YOU call that "perfect"??

LOL - So Noah was at HIS HOME, drank wine, was in his sleep chamber, took his clothes off, didn't put his Jammie's on, and went to bed....

LOL - OH my, (according to you) what a picture of imperfection...LOL LOL

You don't have a CLUE what it means to be perfect . . .

Seems according to you it appears your implication of perfection means...
Don't drink wine at your home or go to bed naked....LOL...

Certainly not what Scripture says...but then, I doubt you are familiar with what Scripture actually does say constitutes perfection.

 

[Taken]

Tell us, what does perfect mean?

Um...the impression seems to be:
don't drink wine at home (perhaps only drink wine at weddings), and wear Jammie's to bed) ??
Oops!!

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Um...the impression seems to be:
don't drink wine at home (perhaps only drink wine at weddings), and wear Jammie's to bed) ??
Oops!!

He must be one of those pajama people!!!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Tell us, what does perfect mean?

"Perfect" means to have your will 100% in line with God's will.

NOBODY on earth is perfect.
Only those in Heaven are perfect (Rev. 21:27).

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL - So Noah was at HIS HOME, drank wine, was in his sleep chamber, took his clothes off, didn't put his Jammie's on, and went to bed....

LOL - OH my, (according to you) what a picture of imperfection...LOL LOL

You don't have a CLUE what it means to be perfect . . .
Seems according to you it appears your implication of perfection means...
Don't drink wine at your home or go to bed naked....LOL...

Drinking wine is fine.
Drinking wine and passing out drunk and naked is sinful.

Shame YOU don't know the difference . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Certainly not what Scripture says...but then, I doubt you are familiar with what Scripture actually does say constitutes perfection.

It's painfully evident you you don't know the Word of God . . .

Ephesians 5:18
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,

Galatians 5:21
Envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:10
Nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[bbyrd009]

And this is utter nonsense.

You have repeatedly called my belief "pagan".
How could you NOT see this as wrong??

do you hold the belief that eternal life begins after death or not

 

[Taken]

He must be one of those pajama people!!!

IDK....Odd how much he rejects Scriptures

Anyway...thanks for sharing zappa :cool:

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

IDK....Odd how much he rejects Scriptures

Anyway...thanks for sharing zappa :cool:

God Bless,
Take

Even the words to the song fit him.
Hoy Hoy Hoy!!!

 

[Taken]

Drinking wine is fine.
Drinking wine and passing out drunk and naked is sinful.

Shame YOU don't know the difference . . .

Shame on you for criticizing Scripture; and trying to justify yourself, by criticizing Noah, according to your idea of Perfect, instead of Gods Perfection.

Gen 6:9
....Noah was a just man and perfect...

Drinking wine in ones own home; sleeping naked in ones own bed not a sin!
You should have learned, the curse law for sin was upon Noah's son. Not Noah.

Tsk, tsk..

 

[BreadOfLife]

Shame on you for criticizing Scripture; and trying to justify yourself, by criticizing Noah, according to your idea of Perfect, instead of Gods Perfection.
Gen 6:9
....Noah was a just man and perfect...
Drinking wine in ones own home; sleeping naked in ones own bed not a sin!
You should have learned, the curse law for sin was upon Noah's son. Not Noah.

Tsk, tsk..

Noah didn't just "drink" wine and go to "sleep".
He drank until he was so drunk that he passed out naked.

As I educated you earlier - drunkenness IS a sin - and sin is imperfection . . .

Ephesians 5:18
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,

Galatians 5:21
Envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:10
Nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[BreadOfLife]

do you hold the belief that eternal life begins after death or not

Only God is eternal because He had no beginning and has no end.
Those of us who die in God's good graces will have everlasting life.