Boycott the NFL

[aspen]

This kind of attitude is what's keeping blacks from moving forward in life.

You mean pointing out racism? I think it is a positive thing. White people like to pretend it doesnt exist and when it is pointed out, we get mad that people of color are pointing it out - as if pointing it out is the real problem

 

[Job]

You mean pointing out racism? I think it is a positive thing. White people like to pretend it doesnt exist and when it is pointed out, we get mad that people of color are pointing it out - as if pointing it out is the real problem

Racism does indeed exist and when whites coddle the blacks it only makes it worst.

 

[aspen]

Racism does indeed exist and when whites coddle the blacks it only makes it worst.

But you believe it is a problem made up and perpetuated by black people onto white people - as if they are doing it to white people. Sort of like poor people inflicting the misery of poverty onto the true victims - the rich.

Twisted.

What does ‘coddling’ a black person mean?

 

[Stranger]

Why do you refer to me as black? You make that sound like a bad thing

I refer to you as black because you are black. A bad thing? What have you to offer that it is a good thing? Disrespecting the flag, country, and anthem? As I said, blacks are preying on white sympathy and a false sense of 'guilt' to further their black racism.

So, you tell me, how is being black a good thing?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

The NFL has now been declared the least watched sport of professional sports. And why is that? Because blacks have disrespected the country, flag, and anthem.

They crap in their own bird nest and destroy where they live.

Stranger

 

[aspen]

And, yet you claimed that being black isnt wrong, Stranger....i am confused by your hypocrisy, but not your racism - purposely muddying the water about the protest is all in a days work for you

 

[Helen]

@aspen Hi there ...this thread moves fast...so I am all being in a hour or two.
You asked What is wrong with being black....there are probably many answers between when you wrote that, and now...I must go back and read....but if I may...can I say...in this day and age it is not so much what the whites think of black people ...but what the black 'think' that the white person thinks. I believe they expect the negative and it's been ingrained for decades, so it's part of them.
The black people who have good self esteem ...seem to have no problem ( I speak now of England in the late 50's when I worked in London ). When we went dancing we danced with many handsome black men ;) We got to know some of them .....From Africa...sent by their fathers who were Trible chiefs , they acted like princes...stood very confidently ..and had the gold jewelry to go with it. ( boy ..they could DANCE..LOL..so no shortage of partners for them...I was all of 17 at the time )
Just saying...is it perspective , ( what we perceive a thing to be, is our reality) and how much of 'what is thought' by them , is really true? I don't know...
Only you know that answer....

 

[aspen]

@aspen Hi there ...this thread moves fast...so I am all being in a hour or two.
You asked What is wrong with being black....there are probably many answers between when you wrote that, and now...I must go back and read....but if I may...can I say...in this day and age it is not so much what the whites think of black people ...but what the black 'think' that the white person thinks. I believe they expect the negative and it's been ingrained for decades, so it's part of them.
The black people who have good self esteem ...seem to have no problem ( I speak now of England in the late 50's when I worked in London ). When we went dancing we danced with many handsome black men ;) We got to know some of them .....From Africa...sent by their fathers who were Trible chiefs , they acted like princes...stood very confidently ..and had the gold jewelry to go with it. ( boy ..they could DANCE..LOL..so no shortage of partners for them...I was all of 17 at the time )
Just saying...is it perspective , ( what we perceive a thing to be, is our reality) and how much of 'what is thought' by them , is really true? I don't know...
Only you know that answer....

There are several parts of your post i would like to address.

1. I appreciate your willingness to provide a thoughtful response.

2. I see your point about perception being a part of black people’s view of white peoples attitudes; however, i can see that their view has merit based on how they are treated in our society. We are a society that is transitioning to more acceptance and equality, but there are still a lot of people who are kicking a screaming about losing power. We take a lot about equality on the Left and deny inequality on the Right, but we still have teams called the Redskins and commercials that show people washing off the black with soap. Until people of color are given the same benefit of the doubt and credibility as white people, we will have to keep working on equality.

3. The experience of slavery on american black people is profound and still relevant today. Slave owners bought and sold family members - without the history of a family unit, black people are at a disadvantage. It is interesting how white fundamentalists bemoan the erosion of the family in America, but fail to acknowledge the same impact on black America. People from Africa have a different experience than black people who have relatives who were slaves and living relatives that lived under jim crow. British citizens who are black have a different experience as well.

4. I think some white people are becoming more accepting of people of other ethnicities, but many others are following the presidents lead and ‘doubling down’ on their tribalism and racist idealogy.

 

[Helen]

Thanks @aspen ....I hear you...I especially liked your #3. Sad. I am sorry. England can not hold up it's head for that.
I am glad that more and more they are able to trace back to ancestors.

I remember the very first time I ever saw a black man and lady.
I was 6 years old. It was on a station platform ( in England) I must have been staring , he gave me a huge white smile. My mum knew I wanted to talk to them..so she gave me a small bag of sweets/candy, a great sacrifice back then..rationing was still in effect the war only over a few years...so I went across to them and offered them some candy...
Very sorry is this is insulting or patronizing...but the memory just popped into my head.
One day, no Jew, Gentile, black, brown, or white...there is no colour in our spirits.

I still don't believe that your national flag should be disrespected ..by any colour of person. :)

 

[Job]

The experience of slavery on american black people is profound and still relevant today.

Blacks sold blacks into slavery and a large percentage of those black slaves were owned by blacks. That's a fact. Look it up.

Slave owners bought and sold family members - without the history of a family unit, black people are at a disadvantage.

The first legal slave owner in america was a black tobacco farmer named Anthony Johnson. He took children from his slaves and sold them at auction. A practice that even the whites frowned upon.

That's a fact. Look it up.


Go watch the videos I posted or do your own research. Or you can sit back and remain ignorant of the truth regarding slavery in America. Your choice.

 

[Job]

I especially liked your #3. Sad. I am sorry. England can not hold up it's head for that.
I am glad that more and more they are able to trace back to ancestors.

Do a search on black slave owner Anthony Johnson.

 

[Dcopymope]

Blacks sold blacks into slavery and a large percentage of those black slaves were owned by blacks. That's a fact. Look it up.






The first legal slave owner in america was a black tobacco farmer named Anthony Johnson. He took children from his slaves and sold them at auction. A practice that even the whites frowned upon.

That's a fact. Look it up.


Go watch the videos I posted or do your own research. Or you can sit back and remain ignorant of the truth regarding slavery in America. Your choice.

Do a search on black slave owner Anthony Johnson.

Tell me, are you bringing this up because you think we'd be surprised that there was a person of color who owned or sold other people of color into slavery? I can do a lot better than one man if that's the case, and I'm sure you can too if you want to be honest. So what point are you trying to make? That a person of color owning slaves far outweigh or equal the centuries of death and suffering under white masters?

 

[aspen]

Job, even if what you posted is true, what is your point?

Lets say for a minute that a group of people in America has had a hard time fitting in to the dominate culture and it is all their fault - because of their own hatred and contempt and made-up anger towards the dominate culture; and their ignorance and hatred towards their own people.

What is the Christian response? Are we supposed to condemn them and marginalize them and jail them and provide them with crappy schools and keep them in ghettos?

Every time you post information meant to exonerate white people and blame black people when they make claims of institutional racism, provide proof, and protest it; i just think your purpose is irrelevant and you are missing the entire point, which is to provide a compassionate and Christian response.

It is, as if you would rather see an entire group of people ‘get what they deserve’ than to see them succeed and it saddens me.

 

[Dcopymope]

Job, even if what you posted is true, what is your point?

Lets say for a minute that a group of people in America has had a hard time fitting in to the dominate culture and it is all their fault - because of their own hatred and contempt and made-up anger towards the dominate culture; and their ignorance and hatred towards their own people.

What is the Christian response? Are we supposed to condemn them and marginalize them and jail them and provide them with crappy schools and keep them in ghettos?

Every time you post information meant to exonerate white people and blame black people when they make claims of institutional racism; provide proof; and protest it, i just think your point is irrelevant and you are missing the entire point, which is to provide a compassionate and Christian response.

It is, as if you would rather see an entire group of people ‘get what they deserve’ than to see them succeed and it saddens me.

Yep, it just seems to me like Anthony Brown in his mind absolves the stain of institutional racism against blacks that's only been getting any reform within the last sixty years because people of color marched and fought for it in the streets, which was really a blink of an eye ago you see.

 

[aspen]

Yep, it just seems to me like Anthony Brown in his mind absolves the stain of institutional racism against blacks that's only been getting any reform within the last sixty years because people of color marched and fought for it in the streets, which was really a blink of an eye ago you see.

Yep. And white people didnt like the protests back in the sixties either - it was such a hassle and put police at risk.....

How unbecoming.....

It is one of the saddest things for me to watch; the kicking and screaming of a dominate group losing power. I watched in South Africa, as a kid, with shock.....not even realizing that America is taking much longer to get it

 

[Job]

Job, even if what you posted is true, what is your point?

See that? You won't even take the time to research anything I said. You'd rather remain ignorant and put all the woes of the black community on the whites.

My point is I'm tired of the slave excuse. Everyone, even whites blame the white man for slavery when it was blacks that sold their own people into slavery. And it wasn't just one black slave owner, it was many and the number of slaves owned by blacks totaled into the thousands. Many of the atrocities attributed to white slave owners was actually committed by blacks.

What is the Christian response? Are we supposed to condemn them and marginalize them and jail them and provide them with crappy schools and keep them in ghettos?

So you believe it's christians and not secular society that's keeping the blacks in bondage?

You really need to educate yourself on this issue.

 

[Job]

So what point are you trying to make? That a person of color owning slaves far outweigh or equal the centuries of death and suffering under white masters?

You're also wearing blinders. You know nothing regarding black history.

 

[Job]

If the United States is such a racist country, why are black Africans migrating here in droves?

 

[aspen]

See that? You won't even take the time to research anything I said. You'd rather remain ignorant and put all the woes of the black community on the whites.

It is true. I am not taking the time to vet your sources or consider them. I am not bothering to do so because my point does not have anything to do with blame or finding out who is at fault. I do not care if black people played a role in slavery - no more than i am concerned with the few jewish people who assisted the nazis - it is not relevant. America is subject to institutional racism, black people point it out, provide proof, and protest - our reaction is important. Denial and dismissal are not helpful.

My point is I'm tired of the slave excuse. Everyone, even whites blame the white man for slavery when it was blacks that sold their own people into slavery. And it wasn't just one black slave owner, it was many and the number of slaves owned by blacks totaled into the thousands. Many of the atrocities attributed to white slave owners was actually committed by blacks.

If you are going to remain in the blame mindset, we really have nothing further to talk about on this subject. We need to move past blame.....identitfying racism is not blaming. We are so sensitive when someone points out racism, we can’t even look at it. You know, i’ve never heard a black person mention slavery or blame a white person when they point out examples of institutional racism - never. They are talking about what is occuring today, not decades ago. We cannot even face looking at outdated patterns in our society without feeling blamed and lashing out.

So you believe it's christians and not secular society that's keeping the blacks in bondage?

I see you are still caught up in who is to blame. I didnt say anything close to what you are suggesting; i asked you what the Christian response should be. I believe it is looking at what is being pointed out and making real changes. I believe it is acknowledging their reality and supporting their efforts to make positive changes.

 

[Job]

It is true. I am not taking the time to vet your sources or consider them.

That's because you know what you find will disqualify your beliefs regarding blacks.

You know, i’ve never heard a black person mention slavery or blame a white person when they point out examples of institutional racism - never.

Oh you've heard it. You just refuse to listen.

If you are going to remain in the blame mindset, we really have nothing further to talk about on this subject.

Sounds good.